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Topic : 12/06 Desperate to Be a Mom

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How far would you go to be a mother? Dr. Phil's guests are women whose biological clocks are ticking time bombs, and they're willing to risk almost everything to become pregnant. When Tonya and Keith got married, they agreed not to have children. Six years later, Tonya has had a change of heart and is now obsessed with having a baby, but Keith is totally opposed to the idea. Can they reach a compromise without resenting each other, or will the baby talk end their wedded bliss? Next, Eric and Michelle have been married over a year and have been unable to conceive. Eric refuses to spend another dime on fertility treatments because he says there's no guarantee she's going to get pregnant. Michelle won't take no for an answer and has even considered going behind her husband's back and charging fertility treatments on her credit card. After talking with Dr. Phil, will Eric decide to invest in the procedures, or will Michelle put her baby dreams on hold? And, Dr. Phil fitness expert, Robert Reames, and his wife, Arminae, share their painful five-year struggle to have another baby. Talk about the show here.

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December 8, 2007, 5:28 am PST

There may be hope for others

 Before I give you my story please see the links below.

 

www.inciid.org/article.php?cat=statemandates&id=275

 

www.fertilitylifelines.com/paying/insurance/statemandate.jsp

 

I tried for 7 years to get pregnant. In 2003 my husband got a job in Kansas City. After getting there we

found out that our health insurance had the infertility benefits on it. We tried 5 IUI's and they were all unsuccessful. Our specialist told us that there was nothing wrong with the both of us. He said we were to young to be worrying with it (I was 23 then and my husband 28). My husband lost his job with the insurance that would pay for infertility procedures. We decided since we couldn't afford to do anything on own we would wait a few years. Then we started researching why our old insurance plan allowed the benefits when others would not. That is how we found the two websites above.

 

The most comprehensive insurance was in Massachusetts. We ended moving there last year. It wasn't until I got out here that I was diagnosed with PCOS. I did IVF and got pregnant on the first try. We only paid $250 out of pocket for the IVF. I have a beautiful 7 month old boy. We will be going back to the specialist next month to discuss doing IVF again.


Some people in life will say things to hurt your feelings. When going through this you have to grow thick skin. I have had my best friend tell me that I was wrong for doing IVF. This person told me I should have left it in God's hands. You will have to just overlook those people and know you are doing the right thing for you,  your spouse and your own family.

 

I hope the websites listed above can help others.

 

 

 

 

 
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December 8, 2007, 5:49 am PST

Amen to Tolerance

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"As we respect your choice to not have children, please respect our choice to have children no matter what it takes."

You sound like a very tolerant and kind person, so what you may not realize is that those of us who do not want children are HARRASSED constantly about our decision, not only by family ("so what if you won a Nobel prize, when are you going to do your real duty of making us grandparents?") but even more so, by complete strangers!

I simply can't understand the motive for strangers to badger women (and our husbands) into having children. In some cases I'm sure it's well-intentioned, if misguided. In other cases maybe it's an anti-feminist thing; a belief that women should be making babies instead of siphoning off the "men's jobs" (Or else what? The world's going to run out of children?) But my suspicion is that a lot of the harrassers deep down did not want to have children, but did it anyway because they felt it was expected of them -- and now they see other women living full, peaceful, and blissful lives that are centered around intellectual and artistic achievement, personal growth, and making the world a better place, rather than catering 24/7 to the ego of one small person...and it drives them crazy with resentment to think they missed the chance to make the same choice.

Just thought I should make this point, because I've seen a lot of other posts (not from you) which say ignorant things like "I can't understand anyone not wanting children, it's God's will for everyone!" and such. It's regrettable that those of us who are child-free by choice can come off as insensitive sometimes towards parents or aspiring parents, but this is a learned defense, because not everyone is as tolerant towards us as you.

I will make an effort to have more compassion for those who need to have children, regardless of how they behave towards me.

I too am childless by choice, and I would never dream of telling another woman that I didn’t understand her position---whether she was dying to have children, or to NOT have them.  It is a very personal decision, and sometimes very painful.

 

I knew at a very young age that I did not want children.  I loved my career, and I also had a total absence of “maternal instinct.”  I also knew if I were to have children I would resent them for taking me away from what I really loved, and that the resentment would have been totally unfair to those innocent children.  I remember feeling exactly like the author of  “Eat Pray Love” where she is secretly crying on the bathroom floor every night because she is turning 30 and is now expected to get pregnant when that is the last thing on earth she wants to do.  I did the same thing she did; I divorced my husband.  I never intended to marry again, but three years later I met someone who said that he didn’t want children either.  We had a wonderful marriage until fifteen years later, when he changed his mind and went after a woman who wasn’t too old to have children.  That divorce was way more painful than the first.

 

Now I am married to a man who has two children.  The son lived with us from age 16 until he graduated college and went out on his own.  He is a great kid, but I’ve always felt more like a teacher or mentor to him than a mother.  I would do anything for him, but there has never been that deeper feeling of love for him such as I have experienced with significant others or with my parents. 

 

I never intended to be married three times.  I might have only been married once if I had married a man who really wanted to be childless as well.  But I still don’t regret not having children.  Maybe I am just an incredibly selfish person.  I don’t know.  I have lots of friends and family and even acquaintances who would say otherwise.  It is always difficult to be different, but for me, being true to myself has been more important.

 

 
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December 8, 2007, 6:57 am PST

12/06 Desperate to Be a Mom

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Whether or not you want children is something two people should talk about before they marry.

 

 It's sad and sick to hear of a woman who is married to someone who refuses to have biological children with her if that's something she desperately wants. I don't have children yet, but I can't imagine the devastation of someone hitting menopause while waiting around for an insensitive husband to change his mind. Life is too short. If a woman wants children and her husband refuses, I'd say that's a "deal breaker" and instant grounds for divorce.

 

Women are on borrowed time with procreation. A man can change his mind at 70 if he suddenly decides he wants children.

After menopause, and woman has lost her chance for biological children forever.

 

 

My husband and I certainly discussed having children before we got married.  He totally agreed that he would "love to have a family" with me.  Now thirteen years into our marriage, he refuses.  He put me off for many years saying he just wasn't ready yet and now it's just a firm "no."   I truly don't feel that he mislead me - he simply changed his mind.  As the woman in the story did, people certainly have a right to change their minds.  But I will not give up my dream to be a mom so I'm doing it on my own utilizing a sperm bank.  I'm disappointed that the topic of women having a baby on their own was not brought up as a topic on this show.  I'm 40 years old and, therefore, don't really have time to waste trying to find and fall in love with someone else. 
 
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December 8, 2007, 8:45 am PST

Dont give up

 I so know how it feels to want a child. I could get pregnant but would have a hard time. One loss was at 26 weeks the other a still birth, By the Grace of God I held my faith and was blessed with 2 now grown. At the age of forty something and single I adopted a child.  Please if you cant have a child on your own, open your heart to a child that wants a mom as bad as you want a child.

I have learned so much through the eyes of my son. I still have all the instincts I had as a birth mom.

I know it is hard to get a baby, but there are so many Beautiful Children in foster care.

 

 
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December 8, 2007, 10:01 am PST

Hope

I watched the show "desperate to be a mom" and was touched by the couples on the show.  Not being able to conceive can be the most diffucult thing a woman can deal with.  I work in the Natural Heath care field and have personally witnessed women conceive and give birth using natural methods.  I urge any woman who is having difficulty getting pregnant to reasearch the alternative natural methods out there that can assist your medical treatments.  Talk to a chiropractor in your area and find out how the health of your spine can play a role in infertility and research what natural supplements can also help your body.  I wish only the best to the couples that were on the show and hope they acheive their dreams.
 
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December 8, 2007, 10:03 am PST

12/06 Desperate to Be a Mom

I was surprised that the title of the show was desperate to be a mom. It seemed all they were desperate to do was become pregnant. It is not the same thing. After trying for two years to become pregnant, I became serious about being a MOM! I adopted a beautiful little girl. I now have two children, one of which is biological. I fell in love with both of my children the instant I called them by their name.  How they became a part of our family isn't as important as the fact that they are.

I have been a Mom since 1999, when we brought our oldest home from the lawyer's office. I did not yearn for a biological child, I was just blessed and surprised with another child. I would have been just as delighted if we had adopted both children.

 

 
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December 8, 2007, 11:05 am PST

Dr. Phil was too one sided...

I feel Dr. Phil was more of a proud father and husband on Thursday's show than a doctor of the mind.  He, in my opinion, really was on the side of the women and pushed aside the men's legitimate feelings.  I did like the the 1 to 10 scale to get a perspective are where you are both at  on the subject and go from there.  I know Dr. Phil grew up poor, but somewhere along the way I feel he forgot what it is like to live paycheck to paycheck.  I am referring to the couple where the man did not want to go into financial ruins for no guarantee.  After several infertility  treatments and two miscarriages my husband and I decided it was not worth the financial or health risks to try a stronger drug or to buy an egg.  Insurance only covered so much and we went over what insurance covered and to put more into something that is not a guarantee was too much for us to bear.  Too compare spending money upfront and then if you get a child and they become sick is like comparing an apple to a banana.  Of course, any caring parent would help their child --- once they had a child.  Some people on the message boards mentioned adopting -- but what about the choice to live child-free.  That is an option.  Be thankful that you have a great and healthy marriage and is trying to have a child worth destroying that.  If your answer is yes, then get out of the marriage.  Just remember you might have a baby with the next person, but will you have a healthy and loving marriage to go with it.  Hopefully, but there are no guarantees.  I think Dr. Phil should have also pointed out to the woman that they need to consider their husbands feelings.  He never even mentioned that.  The woman should point themselves also in the man's shoes.  
 
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December 8, 2007, 11:40 am PST

AMEN!!

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I can and do sympathize with the many women in this world, who for one reason or another, can't get pregnant.  The joys of motherhood are boundless.  Yet, pregnancy isn't all there is to being a mom.  I had a sister in law who for no medical reason, could not have children.  They went through agonizing test after test.  They did the next best thing - adopted children who really needed parents.  I think there is a God in Heaven who prepares people for adopting because of all the lonely children in need.  Why can't people just accept their life where they're at, and give a great home and all that love to children who never knew the love of a real mom and dad?  There are thousands, if not milliions, of children around the world who are suffering and dying because they were not wanted by their own biological parents.  There's more to parenting than the biology of it all.
After being a mommy to two biological children and one adopted, I can vouch....adoption is a great option. I am just as much Colby's mommy as I am the biological two, and the process of getting him was just as special as having the biological two. I am praying that people who are unable to get pregnant will see this.
 
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December 8, 2007, 12:25 pm PST

FOSTER CARE

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Thank you for your thoughtfulness.  Your story touched me. 

 

I wonder about people who say hurtful things (such as you being told our only purpose is to reproduce).  Someone once told me that 'a house without children is a dead house.'  She knew I was unable to have children when she made the comment.  One of my husband's aunts told me I was not a real woman.  After hearing these kinds of comments for a time you start believing it is true. 

 

Anyway, God bless you and your husband.  I hope you are successful in your adoption efforts.  It is wonderful that you are supportive of each other.

FOSTER CARE ADOPTION DOESNT USUALLY COST YOU A PENNY. THEY USUALLY PAY YOU TILL THE CHILD IS 18, THEY DONT TYPICALLY LIKE TO TELL YOU THAT, BECAUSE THEY WOULD RATHER NOT HAVE TO PAY YOU.
 
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December 8, 2007, 12:29 pm PST

foster care comment

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I am a 26 year old woman that has tried getting pregnant for 5 years... I was told i had pcod..  My hubby and I thought we would do foster care in hopes of adopting.  It has its great rewards if you can let go when that child goes back home.  My very first placement was a newborn.  I picked her up at the hospital when she was 3 days old... I thank God everyday for her.  about a week after i got her i was called about a little boy...  We fell in love with him...  I thought this was Gods way of giving me my family that i dreamed of since i was just a little girl...  we where becoming that family we always wanted.  You know the family that you are so jealous of  b/c you would see them at parks laughing and playing.   6 months later he was taken,  It broke me so bad, i layed in bed and cried for weeks cause not only did i have my dreams stolen away due to the pcod.  but now i had to give up a piece of my heart too.  So yeah foster care is a good thing..  I got the pleasure of being a  mom to that precious little guy for 6 great months....  but you need to think of how it will make you feel when that child goes home...  Some may be a lot stronger than me.. I just felt like i had my dreams in my hand and it slipped right out.   If it wasnt for the baby girl i have I would have given up on life when they took him back. 

They have a foster care program for only adoptable kids......... Most foster kids are in the system for a period of time till thier parents get it together... I wouldnt put my heart that deap until i knew absolutely knew i was going to keep my foster child, other than that you grow and get used to having to let them go home. Why dont you look into just the adoption kids??????

 
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