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How far would you go to be a mother? Dr. Phil's guests are women whose biological clocks are ticking time bombs, and they're willing to risk almost everything to become pregnant. When Tonya and Keith got married, they agreed not to have children. Six years later, Tonya has had a change of heart and is now obsessed with having a baby, but Keith is totally opposed to the idea. Can they reach a compromise without resenting each other, or will the baby talk end their wedded bliss? Next, Eric and Michelle have been married over a year and have been unable to conceive. Eric refuses to spend another dime on fertility treatments because he says there's no guarantee she's going to get pregnant. Michelle won't take no for an answer and has even considered going behind her husband's back and charging fertility treatments on her credit card. After talking with Dr. Phil, will Eric decide to invest in the procedures, or will Michelle put her baby dreams on hold? And, Dr. Phil fitness expert, Robert Reames, and his wife, Arminae, share their painful five-year struggle to have another baby. Talk about the show here.

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January 11, 2008, 2:06 pm PST

vasectomy roller coaster and resentment

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Oh my gosh!  That is almost exactly what happened to me.  My son just turned 3.  He had/has medical issues, as well, and we have been dealing with them primarily this past year.  We had agreed to have two children when we first got married, but my husband was resistant to trying for the first 8 years of our marriage.  I had to give him an ultimatum to even start trying. 

 

When I brought up my desire to have another child, my husband brought up his desire to have a vasectomy.  I felt like my marriage was over.  If I did not agree to this, my husband was not going to have any physical relationship with me.  He was that scared of having another child.  I was unwilling to go on the pill (Mom had breast cancer) and other forms of contraceptive was not good enough in his mind.  Because of my age (will be 40 in May 08), I also became concerned about having a child with Down Syndrome along with the potential for the same issues my son has now (there is a hereditary component to it although it isn't strong).  Given all of this, I reluctantly agreed to his vascectomy and prayed that I would get pregnant before the procedure, but that didn't happen. 

 

Over these past few months, I have been on an emotional roller coaster.  How can you love and resent the man that you married at the same time?  I don't know, but I sure do.  The one thing I have done recemly is put it in God's hands.  He knows my desire and if I am meant to be a mother, I believe God will make it happen.  I certainly have no control over it at this point.  I also pray every day that God will change my heart toward my husband.

 

The good news is that you are still young.  You have plenty of time...trust me.  If you don't say anything to your husband, then you are accepting "no" as an answer because I am assuming you are on contraceptives.  If you approach him about this and let him know your hearts desire, he may still say "no", but at least you will have put it out there.  Try to address his concerns as you talk about it.  If it is financial, what options can you suggest.  If it is fear of having another child with medical issues, perhaps genetic counseling will help ease those fears.  As long as he doesn't insist on a vasectomy (and even if he does) there is still hope. Just don't give up.  If you are meant to have another child, you will.

 

I'm pretty new to the boards here, but I'd love to talk to you some more if there is a way to e-mail each other.  I can so relate to what you are going through.

 

Hang in there. 

I know what you mean when you say that you have been on an emotional roller coaster as a result of your husband's vasectomy.  My husband got a vasectomy and I too loved but resented him for doing such a thing. My job is being a wife and mother, and I felt he put me in early pre-mature retirement! Something I felt so strongly about (having more children) was something he just seemed to dismiss and put his desires first (to have me all to himself again without interruption of little rug rats.) His feelings came first. But he soon realized that he might have me "all to himself" a few years sooner but the wife he had post vasectomy was a sad and discontented one.  I wasn't the same happy person that I used to be.  And he developed PVPS (post vasectomy pain syndrome). It quickly pushed him toward reversal. He had the reversal and we even tried to conceive a year later and succeeded. He now has a 39 year old very happy wife and a little 6 month old reversal son who he can't imagine he almost didn't have. And he has his fertility (pain-free too) so our journey is ongoing. We may have even more children as it is now in the hands of the Man Upstairs. We have vowed not to use any birth control other than Natural Family Planning (NFP).  I hope you can find a resolution to your situation. For me, the only answer was a reversal because the resentment was too much.

 

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January 13, 2008, 6:16 pm PST

Uncommon

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Me and my common law spouse of 3 years have had 2 abortions in the past...first one because I was in college, second because we were having relationship issues and felt it wasnt a good time to have children. Both times I was seriously considering keeping the baby, both times he convinced me it wasnt a good idea.

He always says he wants more children (he has one of his own) but when ever I bring it up he says that hes not ready for a baby right now and its just not the right time in his life.  I am starting to wonder if he will ever want a baby with me and if I can keep waiting until hes ready.

 

My other issue is that i am starting to have thoughts towards my step son that I am not proud of, like anger toward him for being alive and the fact that my 2 babies are not with me. I would never treat him badly and I act wonderful toward him and I treat him as if he is my own son but its getting harder to put on a nice face. I know it isnt his fault and he had nothing to do with his father not wanting my babies but I dont know what to do. 

 

Why should the two of you have children, you have not taken the first step and gotten married. What state are you in that cause you to believe that you have a common law marriage? Not California. Besides, common law marriages are primarily for division of asset purposes when you break up.

 

If you are have anger issues like that towards your son, and if you don't see him as a son that's another problem you need to walk away. You have problems and they are right between your ears. You're not ready to be a parent and the two of you are not ready for more children. It sound like you are around 24-25 years old and are still in the "know nothing" stage of life. I would bet that their is abuse on some level in your relationship and you thnk the baby will fix that.

 

Why are you trying to bring another baby into a  messy situation. Clean up your life and get rid of the bad thoughts that are clouding your vision. Try using birth control and condoms, instead of killing babies, until you are ready to be adults. He may not want his/your unborn babies, but it sounds like that you have not decided to want his born son. You two need to stop having selfishness for breakfast.

 
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January 15, 2008, 5:19 am PST

ClaireRae

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Me and my common law spouse of 3 years have had 2 abortions in the past...first one because I was in college, second because we were having relationship issues and felt it wasnt a good time to have children. Both times I was seriously considering keeping the baby, both times he convinced me it wasnt a good idea.

He always says he wants more children (he has one of his own) but when ever I bring it up he says that hes not ready for a baby right now and its just not the right time in his life.  I am starting to wonder if he will ever want a baby with me and if I can keep waiting until hes ready.

 

My other issue is that i am starting to have thoughts towards my step son that I am not proud of, like anger toward him for being alive and the fact that my 2 babies are not with me. I would never treat him badly and I act wonderful toward him and I treat him as if he is my own son but its getting harder to put on a nice face. I know it isnt his fault and he had nothing to do with his father not wanting my babies but I dont know what to do. 

 

You were manipulated into 2 abortions by the man that you call your commonlaw husband.  I don't believe that he ever intended to have a child with you.  He just told you that it was not the right time because that is what he knew would work.  It sounds like he is a controlling manipulator.  He will never give you what you are looking for.  Move on Claire Rae and forgive yourself.
 
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January 21, 2008, 3:14 am PST

12/06 Desperate to Be a Mom

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Why should the two of you have children, you have not taken the first step and gotten married. What state are you in that cause you to believe that you have a common law marriage? Not California. Besides, common law marriages are primarily for division of asset purposes when you break up.

 

If you are have anger issues like that towards your son, and if you don't see him as a son that's another problem you need to walk away. You have problems and they are right between your ears. You're not ready to be a parent and the two of you are not ready for more children. It sound like you are around 24-25 years old and are still in the "know nothing" stage of life. I would bet that their is abuse on some level in your relationship and you thnk the baby will fix that.

 

Why are you trying to bring another baby into a  messy situation. Clean up your life and get rid of the bad thoughts that are clouding your vision. Try using birth control and condoms, instead of killing babies, until you are ready to be adults. He may not want his/your unborn babies, but it sounds like that you have not decided to want his born son. You two need to stop having selfishness for breakfast.

Wow, what a horrible, judgemental attitude you have. If you believe she is being abused, why are you instructing her to get married? Methinks maybe YOU are the 24-25 year old "knownothing".  I agree that she needs to figure out where these feelings are coming from toward her stepson and deal with them. However, I do not understand why you say she is selfish. Evidence, please? And about the "killing babies", how many embryos are destroyed following IVF? If life starts at conception, then people who have IVF are killing babies left and right. What is the difference between that and abortion?
 
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January 22, 2008, 5:51 pm PST

thanks for the advise

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My daughter suffered from poly cystic ovaries and went thru two artificial insimination just to fail.  She was online with a fertility doctor group from New York City.  She was told to purchase an all natural herbal supplement (Ovulex) that would increase her days of ovulation. She did thru Ovulex.com.  The cost was about $160.00 much, much less than the fertility costs. She was told to take the supplement for at least three months. 

 

After two months use with each of her two births, it worked.  She was pregnant and now I have two beautiful grandsons.  I hope this information is useful to many viewers that suffer from poly cystic ovaries. Fro $160.00, it is well worth the cost.

 

Also I want to say, my daughter gave the website to two of her close friends and it too worked for them.  Each one gave birth to a healthy baby.. 

Thanks,I gave your advise to my doughter in law and she is pregnant now.It took her only one month!

 

Thanks a LOT!

 
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January 23, 2008, 11:56 am PST

FYI

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Wow, what a horrible, judgemental attitude you have. If you believe she is being abused, why are you instructing her to get married? Methinks maybe YOU are the 24-25 year old "knownothing".  I agree that she needs to figure out where these feelings are coming from toward her stepson and deal with them. However, I do not understand why you say she is selfish. Evidence, please? And about the "killing babies", how many embryos are destroyed following IVF? If life starts at conception, then people who have IVF are killing babies left and right. What is the difference between that and abortion?
IVF is killing babies.  That's why all the pro-lifers and Catholics are against it.
 
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January 23, 2008, 11:31 pm PST

do I or don't I

I watched the "desperate to be a mom" episode and excitedly asked my husband to watch it with me.  My husband and I have been married dor 3 years and for the past year and a half, we have been going back and forth on adopting a child.  I knew he didn't want children and he knew I did want children.  When we got married, after 4 years of dating, this topic wasn't discussed.  I thought I would be ok with not having children, but NEVER said I didn't want children.  He thought I changed my mind, but never asked.  So, out of nowhere, because I hadn't even been thinking about children, I went to my gyn appointment and as soon as I walked into the office, I was overcome with sadness and just started crying.  Then, when I was taken to a room, I was really crying hard and could barley keep myself together.  Well, I never discussed what had happened that day, with my husband.  Instead, I found myself very depressed.  I would come home from work and go right to bed and wouldn't talk to my husband. after about 3 weeks of that, he asked me what was wrong and said he just wanted his wife back.  Well, to make a long story short, I told him what was wrong, we kept our distance from eachother and it looked like we were headed for a divorce.  He then came to me one night and we had a long talk.  He said that he would adopt a child because I deserved to have what I wanted.  He said I gave him everything he wanted and I never asked for anything.  Well, he went bak and forth, changing his mind and what it came down to after all the excuses regarding proceeding towards adoption, he told me that he agreed SO HE COULD KEEP ME LONGER.  He never was going to adopt, he strung me along making me think we were going to have a child.  Now I don't know what to do. I love him, he treats me great and spoils me crazy...but, everything he does for me and gives to me...doesn't make up for the void in my heart.  I just know, later on down the road I will blame him for me not having children and I really don't want to end up hating him.  What do I do??? DoI or don't I follow my childhood dream of being a wife and mom?  I know nothing is for sure.  I may or may not end up adopting a child, but I want it to be because it just didn't happen, NOT because I let him tell me I couldn't.
 
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January 24, 2008, 4:06 pm PST

I AGREE

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Adoption through foster care usually doesnt cost a penny.
I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU ARE SAYING. I TOTALLY COMMEND ALL THE PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO HAVE ADOPTED AND FOSTERED. I WOULD LOVE TO DO IT MYSELF. YES THE PRICES FOR  ADOPTION DO VARY BUT EVEN WITH FOSTERING TO ADOPT THE COST ARE STILL HIGH. I CHECKED IT OUT NUMEROUS TIMES IN MY STATE AND IT IS COSTLY. HOWEVER IF PEOPLE WHO GET FERTILITY TREATMENTS CAN AFFORD THOSE THEN THEY MAY (I SAID MAY) BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO ADOPT. WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY IS THAT IT IS UP TO EACH COUPLE AND NO ONE SHOULD BE SO HARSHLY JUDGED FOR THEIR PERSONAL DECISION. TO BE A MOM IS THE MOST WONDERFUL THING WHETHER A CHILD IS CONCEIVED NATURALLY, THROUGH FERTILITY OR ADOPTION. MY DAD IS ADOPTED AND HE IS A HAPPY LOVING GUY. IF WERE NOT FOR MY GRANDPARENTS I MAY NOT BE HERE AND MY DAD MAY NOT HAVE BEEN RAISED IN A LOVING HOUSEHOLD. SO I GIVE A HATS OFF TO ALL WHO CHOOSE TO ADOPT. I ALSO GIVE A HATS OFF TO ALL MOTHERS PERIOD.
 
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February 17, 2008, 6:23 pm PST

PCOS

Hi, just saw the show today (I live in Australia), and wanted to say, I also have PCOS and only ovulate 2 or 3 times a year. Add to that a husband who works away 9 days out of 14 (at the time we were trying to conceive). We went on holidays and came back pregnant. Three children later I realise we are very lucky to apparently get pregnant just by breathing on each other on those rare occasions I do ovulate. But it is possible, and esp with a condition like PCOS, it's very important to (don't cringe...)  be relaxed and happy and fit, because your body responds to your moods very strongly. Haven't been able to find updates on these couples yet but hope they're all where they want to be.

 

 

 
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February 19, 2008, 4:17 pm PST

12/06 Desperate to Be a Mom

I was told when I was 16 that I would probally not be able to have children unless I started trying very early.

They had diagnosed me with havine endometreosis.  When I was 17 I started taking clomid, but being so young my insurance would not cover it.  We seen several doctors and went through lots of opinions with the same result of having no child.  Finally when I was 21 I found a dr. who tried something different.  She then discovered that I had polysistic ovaries.  She started me on a diabetic medicine called metformin, this was to disolve some of the systs.  In two months I was pregnant.  Wow was I surprised.  Dont lose hope, sometimes it just takes the right dr and right diagnosis.  Good luck, Ill be praying for you 

 
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