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Every nine seconds a woman is battered in the United States. More shocking is that 50 percent of all women murdered in the U.S. are killed by a spouse or an acquaintance. Dr. Phil goes inside a story that has captured national attention for over a month. In this ripped-from-the-headlines show he delves into the events surrounding the disappearance of 23-year old Stacy Peterson, mother of two, and wife of Drew Peterson. Attorney Lisa Bloom, and Drew’s former fiancée, Kyle Piry, weigh in on this mysterious case. Is Drew involved in his fourth wife's disappearance, or did his wife really leave him for another man, as he claims? Then, meet another couple in crisis. Amanda says she lives in fear of her husband, Chris. She says he abuses her and she worries one day he will go too far, but she stays in the marriage anyway. Amanda's mother, Debby, thinks her daughter is living in denial and fears she will end up like Laci Peterson. Chris admits to being abusive but wants to try and salvage the relationship. You won't believe Chris' mother, Cheryl’s, explanation for his behavior!  And, Kim Gandy, the president of the National Organization for Women joins Dr. Phil with some startling domestic violence statistics and teaches victims how to develop an escape plan. If you live in fear of your spouse, this show just might save your life. Join the discussion.

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December 7, 2007, 6:48 pm PST

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I guess Ill probably be the only one who believes that Drew is not guilty.  I knew him in the past.  Good Police officer, good father and of course I was not married to him so I cant say what kind of husband he was.  I can tell u that I could pick out all kinds of similar circumstances where someone has left (their children), someone  has said violent terrible things, and even instances where the couple have large age differences.  That doesnt mean he is responsible for the death or whereabouts of these women.  Look at the truck drivers who lied, the neighbor who was "best friends", hah!

I don't know if he is guilty or not. The one thing for sure, is he has already been tried and convicted by the media frenzy surrounding this case. Many facts thru the media seem to be somewhat misquoted.

 

DV is committed by BOTH men and women. 

 

And not all cops are bad.

 
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December 7, 2007, 6:48 pm PST

12/07 A Killer Among Us

Quote From: mommajulie

Women stay in abusive relationships, NOT because they are stupid, but because they feel stuck.

They believe they are stupid, because the abuser has drilled that into them.

They may have no acess to money or things they need. Many have children that they need to care for.

The shame and embarrassment is overwhelming.

Pick up and go to a shelter you say?

The abused woman says to herself," Then everybody would know."
Women dont tell because they feel judged. How many posts have you seen on this very forum calling them "stupid" for not leaving?

Women dont tell because of the stigma surrounding violence. They tell themselves he will get better. They tell themselves their story isnt as bad as the one they saw on tv. They tell themselves they brought the abuse on by the way they talked/dressed/cooked.

They buy into the "Im sorry's" that come right after being abused. They pray that this time he really is sorry and maybe this time he has found a way to control himself.

They know if they leave, they may be leaving with no car, no money, no food and no resourses for their children. The abuser may have threatened them. He will find them.......he will hurt their family........he will take their kids away.

The abused person may have sought unhealthy outlets that she felt helped her cope (drugs/alcohol) but now fears all of her mistakes will be brought into light........and she may lose her children.

 

Abused women DO NOT need you to judge them. They need you to help them.

 

Oh my god, you are so right, i had all those things happen to me and it still hurts to talk about it, the stigma of not being believed but i was one of the lucky ones who got away.  I feel for those who are still trapped with abusers like my ex.

 

No matter what you do, no matter what you say, or what you wear or how you speak, they call you every 5 mins to find out what you are doing, who you are talking to, or who you are visiting, no matter what you do it is not good enough for that person, even though they have deep emotional problems, they pile it all onto you and your kids, yo feel trapped for a thousand reasons.  I was shocked to hear after i left meeting other women in my area what had happened to them, i was terrified of my husband and there were other women in the same boat as me.  But my ex went further, he contacted businesses that i dealt with and was able to con them into giving him details about my phone services, etc.  I found out he had got either his new girlfriend or his daugther in law to act like me and gave them my personal details to get my phone bill switched over onto his phone account even though we were separated so he could see who i was ringing and even got my bank statements from the bank so i had to put passwords on everything i did for our protection and i still do this even to this day.  He stole my private diary with all my friends and families phone numbers and rang them and lied to them about me but of course they did not believe me, he contacted people i was becoming friends with and make false statements about me and i lost their friendships and this goes back from just after i met him till we moved out of the area as a few of them (my closet friends told me the lies he told them) i found this out 8 months after i left what he had been doing, cutting me off from people i knew but not my family but friends or people i had met.

 

I shook when he was in the court room because i knew what he was and what he could do.  He manipulated people to do his bidding and made himself look like a saint but when they found out and turned on him, he turned on them with a vengenance, he used and manipulated people to do what he wanted and lied but all this failed.  We make mistakes to try and cope, i  nearly lost my life because after years of abuse, not sleeping properly and i guess the shock of it all, i took too many sleepng tablets and i died but my kids nanny saved me with the paramedics and i returned with a vengenance, i was not going to let this person keep ruining my life and my kids lives.

 

At the end of everything, i was able to stand up to him when i bumped into him at the supermarket with his new lady that he had been going out after we separated, she did not know about him, but in her eyes i saw me in them, he was starting to do to her what he did to me and his first wife, all the glamour and lavish expense he spent on her, it was no longer there, the golden fleece was gone and she looked unhappy but also the way he treated her in public with their public arguments. 

 

But i stood in front of him and looked him in the eye and said what i needed to say which was that he was no longer going to abuse us and what a little boy he was and how pathetic he was, he couldn't even look me in the eye, looking at this poor excuse of a man, and because he could not even look me in the eye, i knew he knew he had no control over us anymore, she looked at me with such shame of all the lies he told her because he told me the same lies he told her to me about his first wife so i knew and heard what he was saying about me but that was her problem, i had tried to warn her through her friends after she started seeing him but she ignored them, at least i gave her that choice, no one warned me or me told me the truth about him or told me about his criminal history or his sick deviant background but i felt pride in myself that he had no longer had control even though he would try to get it back after the orders were put down and we were able to leave. 

 

So, please, do not stereotype us or stigma what we are going through, as with ignorance, it carries on until someone dies, like Lacie Petersen and her little baby.

 

 

 
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December 7, 2007, 6:52 pm PST

12/07 A Killer Among Us

Quote From: los_angeles

Any man who feels he needs to express themselves through physical and emotional abuse to his wife, his daughter/son is a coward. If he was a real man, he would not put his hands ever on a woman. I may only be 16 Dr Phil, but I sure have an opinion on wife-beaters.

 

I don't care if:

- The man has a temper (Solution: Walk away)

- The man didn't like the response he got (Solution: Ignore it)

- The man thinks he can do anything with his wife

 

Any man who lays their hand on their woman for any of the above reasons knows the consequence to their actions. They are just bypassing them thinking that they can get away with it because they are men and i realize some women are like this, but men in some cases have more power than the women making them look intimidated.

 

You can say I'm just a Kid but this kid has watched the news and I have my own opinions on the world and what goes on in it.

 

Sincerly,

los_angeles

Los_Angeles, you are a far and few between guys that feel like that, even though you are 16, you are a genteman to have such wisdom and believe what is right.

 

I hope your mother is proud, my eldest son who is 18 yrs old, feels the same as you and i am proud in the knowledge that none of my children will follow in their dad's footsteps.

 

It takes a real man to be a real man and not hit, it takes a big person not to hit another no matter what the reason is, whether they feel like or not, we all have a choice to make, hopefully a better choice.

 

Thanks.      We need more like you to take a stand for the rights and justices of others.

 

 

 
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December 7, 2007, 6:58 pm PST

12/07 A Killer Among Us

Quote From: cblair67

domestic violence has several sub categories according to the superior court of californias web site.

The sub categories are...

physical

Sexual

emotional

verbal

spiritual

financial

destructive

homophobic

immigration

 

Out of all of these my spouse is guilty of 6.

But in order to prosecute him he has to hit me.

This did not happen.

In fact he would never hit me because he knew that it was game over for him.

But the threats are very real.

And the crimes are very real.

I have a restraining order against him because of this but it doesnt stop him from coming to my town and it doesnt stop him from circling the school where his son is and get his attention and wave to him.

he has done so much wrong and I and my kids are victims.

We have been for 7+ years.

Nobody is doing anything about it.

I want to bring to attention that you dont necessarily have to be beaten physically to be a victim of domestic violence...nor does that make you any less of a candidate of being murdered.

If anything it makes you more of a candiadate because emotional abuse is so looked over, that the perpetrator has more freedom to do so.

The police cannot stop him from coming here even though I moved here to get away from him.

They cant do anything about him driving around the school.

You see, even though I requested it, the restraining order only protects me...and truly it is nothing more then a piece of paper.

There was a day that my spouse came to town and he drove right by where I was crossing the kids to go to school.

I grabbed the kids and made them stand behind the crossing guards truck for safety reasons and I didnt want them upset...they have been through so much.

But the look that he gave me driving by was the same look of anger that he has had so many times before.

I was so scared and today I still believe that because that crossing guard was there and had letters on her vest that spelled out police was the only reason why I am still here today.

He has threatened a drive by shooting for a long time.

And whats scarey is that he has always maintained outside the home a person against domestic violence...he wears two faces....and has said that he does.

what fianlly led to us seperating was his drug problem.

he had a set pattern of ups and downs.

For two weeks he was up and so antzy...sometimes nice to be around and others he was irritable.

Then it was the enevitabl crash...lying in the living room and sleeping all day long.

Sweating profusely, having the air set to 70 and we all froze but him, the twitching in his sleep, his muttering in his sleep.

Nobody wanted him awake.

We all walked on pins and needles because we knew that when he woke up he was vial...his words and sometimes his actions were very disturbing.

on May 7th of this year he was doing just that...well my 6 yr old wanted his bigger brother to play with him(as always) and I was trying to figure out what to do with this situation.

The older one even though it would have been a good idwea and cave and play with his smaller brother instead protested.

I was a nervous wreck trying to get the smaller ones attention and play with him myself but he wasnt having it...so he yelled because he knew that this would wake his father and he would get his way because it was disturbing his sleep.

It happened and he woke up and told my older son that if he didnt play with his brother that he would smah his face into the cement and that he would get out of prison before he got out of the hospital.

I was floored!

He went back to sleep after that and I took the kids into the back room and thats where we stayed...our safe haven.

But the back room in the apartment always hid why my spouse was screwed up...like I would always find small empty baggies with white residue and cut straws and burnt foil.

That night as we sat in the back room I had decided that this time I was looking for whatever it was that he was on and was calling the police to have him removed once and for all.

We just could not go on licing this way.

I first open the cabinent where he kept his clothes because he would always hide things like that there till he could dispose of them...andbehind a shelf I found a sandwhich bag that had white residue clear to the top.

I immediately went into shock because I knew what this meant.

I looked through all of his clothes and found nothing more but then my daughter asked my why I never looked on top of the cabinent...I told her that it was 7 foot high and didnt think to look there for one because of that and another there was a straw hat up there that didnt look like it had been moved.

But she pleaded me to look so I got a chair and moved the hat not expecting to see anything there but there was a syringe and the cap to it was sitting in a baby jar lid and off to the left of that was a straw.

I panicked...my heart was racing and there was a time lapse that I dont even remember what I said or did but my oldest daughter was on the phone with the police.

The police (who have been sent out any times here) talked to me as my spouse laid asleep on the futon in the living room.

I told them what I found and where I found it and they said well we have had cases where it was placed there. They thought that I put it there.

I was shocked that they would think that I did this.

But then again, his mother works for the police department and he used that in his defense everytime.

Anyways the police woke him up and he acted like he had no idea why they were there.

They asked him if he had drugs on him (they didnt search him) and he patted his pockets and said no.

And of course he denied everything.

I asked the police if they were going to make him leave and they said that they couldnt...because he didnt have anything on him.

I told them what he said to my son and they didnt even write it in the police report.

So I asked that they stay long enough to give me and the kids a chance to pack uo a few things and go to the shelter and thats when he said that he would leave.

So the poilice didnt take me.

That night I didnt sleep at all because I was so afraid.

The next day he was calling and wanted to talk...like hes done before but I had dealt with it for so long that I wasnt letting him back.

I kept hanging up and asked him to stop calling.

So he started coming by...banging on the door...wanting in...which I could not understand as he had the keys...and I would call the police.

Everytime they came out he used that scape goat...his mother.

He used his innocense face and made it seem like it was me.

He used the excuse that he needed something from the house.

This went on for days.

So I had finally took all of his belongings and moved them to the patio and he was informed that they were there and to retrieve them when I wasnt around.

He left a lot.

He did this so he could come back.

Then hge had his family calling trying to pry information from me.

It was horrible.

I finally moved as far away as I could get without leaving the county as he stated that I would run with the kids.

So I moved an hour and a half away to a small town.

I have been here ever since but hes now coming here and I truly believe that he has tampered with my car as it dfoesnt run anymore.

He always told me that if I left him that he would make sure that I failed...

I could write all day long about his abuse on me and the kids but it doesnt help because I was never battered.

hes done almost everything but batter me.

I live in fear.

I cant get employed becauxe I have no job because what I do requires transportation.

I am afraid that he will try and take my son.

His Nephew molested my oldest son but he will not talk out of fear.

My oldest daughter whos mentally ill moved bakc in with his family because she sees abuse as structure.

He has hit the kids.

Thrown things at the kids barely missing my daughters head with a skateboard he threw.

Hes got drug problems and he shaved his head prior to leaving because he knows that they can check his hair for it.

He has ruined two cars of mine and I believe the one I own now...I havent washed it because I want it checked for his prints or prints of someone he knows.

Hes affiliated with a gang and has driven drugs across the border for them shoved up his backside.

He is bipolar and has a host of other mental problems.

Hes known not to take his meds.

Hes addicted to pain pills.

Has a personality of Jeckle and Hyde.

I left.

I took the kids and left.

But we are not safe.

He won visitation and I cant even get his son there to see him because of my ar not running.

His mother calls here and states that she knows I cant get to the visitation center.

The judge hearing the case is bias and told him to seek legal counsel.

What am I to do?

I am living in fear.

I cant afford an attorney.

I cant get anywhere to get help as everything is in the bigger town.

And he comes through here and this scares me

What about people like me?

 

All I know is that the day that he came to town and gave me that look as he drove by, I was forever grateful for that crossing guard there.

I bought her coffee and a honey bun and thanked her for being there.

Or I sincerely believe that I would have been dead.

cblair67, you are not the only one with someone like that, my ex was like that and yes, you are so right, even in Australia unless you have bruises up and down your body: we'll they will not do a thing; unless you are dead by his hands, we'll they will not do a thing; even if he abuses your children and the evidence and documentation shows he was the one to do it all: we'll they will not do a thing unless there is semen.

 

This is what makes it so wrong.       

WHAT ABOUT OUR RIGHTS? 

     

HE TOOK MY CHILDREN'S,  OUR CHILDREN'S INNOCENCE AWAY WHEN HE MOLESTED ALL 3 OF THEM?      

  

HE TOOK AWAY MY TRUST IN MEN WHEN HE RAPED AND GOT OTHER MEN TO RAPE ME?   

WHAT ABOUT US?  

 

 WE ARE THE VICTIMS OF HIS CRIMES, BUT HE CAN STILL WALK THE STREETS A FREE MAN!!!!!!!!!

 

WHERE IS THE JUSTICE IN THAT???????????

 

 

That is what is wrong with our society, we as women and children are still being treated like second rate citizens and we are in the 21st century, where men can still get away with abuses and walk free.

 

 

 
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December 7, 2007, 7:17 pm PST

12/07 A Killer Among Us

Quote From: anita45

 

   I have been married 4 years and have a 4 year old boy.  my husband has always verbally abused me.  name-calling, shouting, fits of rage.   he is an alcoholic.  drinks around 15 beers a night.   i quit my job of 10 years in May of 2007  because i could not handle the stress of my home life and work and a child.  he has recently, in the last 6 weeks started physical abuse.  he has belly bumped me into a corner, hit me in the side of the head with his hand, and actually spit on me and my little boy .  he has told me if i ever call 911 that the police will have to scrape me up offf the floor when they get here.   his friend works for the police in our township so he always tells me he'll get out of it anyway.  i feel TRAPPED!  don't want to tell my parents.  they are older and are both going through alot of stress right now, as is my entire family because my niece is dying of bone cancer.  not sure what to do or when!

 

anita in ohio

Anita, please leave, you and your son deserve so much better.   Go to the shelter, get help.   I know what you mean about not wanting to bother anyone especially your parents, but honey, you need help, i didn't tell my family because i was scared that if he knew they knew he would kill them.    My father underwent cancer treatment and when they could get over to Australia they came when i needed them.   My father has had secondary cancer last year after 4 years being cleared but i reached out.       I think if something happened to you, they would be more upset with that, please please, please, get help and get out.

 

You have support here and i bet a hundred friends who know where you are coming from, you are not alone.

 

Please Anita, get out.         He is not worth it and you deserve so much better, both of you for your safety and your sons safety.  He will be scarred with this, my children have suffered because i didn't leave sooner but everything will turn out better in the long run, even though it looks bleak and horrible.

 

Lots of love

Yvonne, NZ

 
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December 7, 2007, 7:43 pm PST

abusive x-husband

I felt like this 1st man could see in his mind his killing his wife and then said he would have to kill himself and his child. This was chilling to me. The man is mentally ill. He was admitting he was capable of it and so must part now and get help. Dr. Phil was so skillful in how he directed each person there. I never have seen Dr. Phil so extremely serious walking off with his wife which said to me it almost overwhelmed him. My husband was mean and cold and abusive with words and was neglectful from the beginning. His love turned to disdain=almost hate=from the beginning. 7 yrs. I tried to make it work because I took my vow seriously before God. I left after the 7 yrs, but tried off and on for another 9 yrs that we were legally seperated. July 07 we tried again but he never "owned up" to his problem. In Aug 07 he sent me divorce papers. No one can't say i did not try with this man and I'm so happy it's over. WE separated many times in the 7 yrs we were married because of his treatment of me. But he was not a killer, but his words and neglect killed my spirit until I had to leave for good. Love ya both Dr. Phil and your wife
 
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December 7, 2007, 8:13 pm PST

12/07 A Killer Among Us

 As far as Drew Peterson goes, I admit I haven't really followed the story too closely, much of what I've seen or heard has been in the Tabloids (and we ALL KNOW how reliable those can be) and other magazines, I work nights at a convinience store, hey its reading material at three am, and being here in Canada, I don't really follow the American news, so there's a bit of history behind my opinion.
He's already been tried and convicted in the forum of the Media and Public Opinion, and I agree his actions really aren't the reactions of a concerned husband, he seems rather callous if not flippant about the whole thing, how many men, really if they KNEW that their wife ran off with another man would ANNOUNCE that he was Cuckold, not many, doing a jig for the reporters, joking about being in Playgirl, not what I would call appropriate behavior, I would call that COCKY.
But did he or didn't he ? The testimony of his ex was quite compelling as was the autopsy findings of his dead wife, however, the US is a big country, and a person could disappear quite easily, if she chose to, but then was she the type that would leave her children behind ?  I suppose many of us as Mothers couldn't fathom doing such a thing, but many have.
I am of the opinion, that UNLESS you have experienced the same thing you DO NOT know how you will react in any given situation, and that we will all react differently, some fall apart in a crisis, others don't, case in Point, Susan Smith KNEW EXACTLY when to cry, how to act the whole bit , she FOOLED a whole NATION (well two Nations, Canadians were fooled by her antics as well), it wasn't UNTIL the police finally broke her down that we were all left with a feeling of shock and disbelief.
Its NOT adding up, as a police officer, I would've THOUGHT he would be able to cover his tracks a bit better, and he shouldn't be acting sooooo surprised he is suspect number one, this guy is strange, but again, innocent UNTIL proven guilty, and in a COURT OF LAW, NOT the forum of PUBLIC OPINION and the MEDIA.
I'll reserve judgement UNTIL I get more FACTS and he is arrested.
 
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December 7, 2007, 8:30 pm PST

YES WE DO UNDERSTAND

Quote From: chat2phil

Wives or husbands who accept being abused and battered most likely suffer self-worth issues.  Their reasoning is usually so complex that they don't even understand it themselves. Only counseling, such as Dr. Phil's methods will help.

To this person that says abused women don't understand why We have no self worth. You see, if you hear it enough times you begin to believe it.  I have lived in a verbal, emotional and physical abusive relationship for 35 years.  Now I am 64 years old, no friends, not much contact with my family, pretty much living a life of complete isolation.  Do you think I don't know why I don't have any self worth?  For us women to even consider our self worth isn't worth the price we have to pay.  We learn to live within ourselves.  We don't feel anything outwardly.  Every emotion we have has to be bottled up inside us.  If you have never experienced the deep, deep feeling of loneliness and fear of EVERYTHING, believe me you should not judge us.  It isn't as easy as saying "counselling".  Every aspect of my life is controlled. And I do mean everything.  My heart goes out to the young women that think they can change the way their boyfriend, husband, etc treats them.  It just doesn't happen that way!  To many times I've been thru the "honeymoon" phase of forgiveness, before it goes back to the same way.

Please don't judge the women that don't know how to get out of an abusive relationship.

 
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December 7, 2007, 8:33 pm PST

what?

Drew was bipolar???

Now this is scarey too because my spouse is bipolar!

I am not saying that they all are like that but did Drew take anything for it?

OMG my spouse never did!

OH this explains so much!

Now I am really scared!

Where is the help?

PLEASE!

 
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December 7, 2007, 8:44 pm PST

Domestic Violence

I answer the NDVH hotline and we hear alot about Police Officer's Family or Spouses afraid to call because no one will help them or believe them. I have followed this story and believe there is a good possability that he killed his Kathleen and possiably Stacy. They need to look in Lake and Pond within a 500 mile radius. There is a possability that he filled it with cement or something to weight it down or dumped it in the land fill somewhere 500 + miles away. He is not dumb just a Police Officer and God only knows they are usually above the law. (not, but they think so). I date a cop once and tried to tell his boss why I left him because he was physically abusing my children and strangling me until I blacked out, but he did not want to hear this. But the day he snapped at work and pulled his gun on his supervisor they fired him. But still he carried a Badge for many years later. He even worked on the Governor's Task Force. See they are good at what they are-Crooks and Killers. Here is some additonal information about my stories:

I am a 46 yr old Domestic Violence Survivor and a LCDC Intern. I answer the National Domestic Violence Hotline as well as work with Drug and alcohol addicts. I have 2 children and 4 grand children. My initial abuser was my father at the age of 13 yr old and continued through to my 4th husband, I have learned how to break the cycle and enjoy helping others learn how to break that cycle. Always prepare, but never let the abuser know what you are doing or planning. Preparation is the beginning to leaving. Call a friend or the NDVH 1-800-799-7233 for guidance and referrals in your local area. Also when calling NDVH or Shelter always pick your phone up after you hang up and dial 1234 let it ring and hang up then they can not trace where you called. Good Luck and God Bless You.

 
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