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Topic : 12/11 Plastic Surgery Nightmares

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Created on : Thursday, December 06, 2007, 03:08:11 pm
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The recent tragic death of rap superstar Kanye West’s mother, Donda West, has put a spotlight on plastic surgery and the risks involved. Donda died one day after her tummy tuck and breast reduction procedures. Is her cosmetic surgeon, Dr. Jan Adams -- whose surgery center is housed in a strip mall, who isn’t board certified and who has a long list of malpractice suits against him -- to blame for her death? Joining the discussion is Senior Editor of People magazine, Galina Espinoza, who shares what Adams had to say shortly after Donda’s death, board certified plastic surgeon, Dr. Andrew Ordon, and Dr. Adams’ uncle and former business partner, Dr. Pearlman Hicks. Plus, some of Adams’ former patients reveal what they say were horrific experiences under his knife: Jama says her full-body lift has left her disfigured, numb and unable to be intimate with her husband, Lori says Dr. Adams left a surgical sponge inside her after performing a breast surgery, and Rachel says she was left looking like she was sawed in half after her tummy tuck incision burst open four times. Join the discussion.

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December 11, 2007, 7:20 pm PST

Infection is a Compliction

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The first one expected far more out of surgery than any surgeon could offer to her. She scarred like most people who have that type of surgery scar. And frankly if you never see the surgeon except right before, then you are a moron for going through with it.

The third woman just happened to have complications. And I know it sounds weird but infection does make wounds heal faster. The surgeon who removed my daughters tumor said that although it's weird to think this way, that it would heal faster if it was infected. We didn't let it get infected and it's taken forever to heal and still isn't fully healed. So I wonder if we're not getting the full story from that woman? Perhaps since she'd split three times the infection was a good sign, meaning she'd finally heal.

But seriously he's not certified? And he's in a strip mall, not at a hospital? Are you insane?
I don't mean to argue with your surgeon but I am sure that you misunderstood what he said.  Or maybe it had something to do with the type of tumor your daughter had.  Surgical incisions will not heal when there is an infection underneath.  An incision that suddenly opens and starts having drainage needs immediate attention.  Infections delay healing and cause a multitude of problems.  (Read the post from the poor lady with MRSA in her incisions.)  The body is an awesome machine.  It does what it can to get out the infection.  For example a healed incision may open so that the infection can "get out," an incision may not heal properly because infection is present, white blood cells increase to fight off infection and even fevers are part of the body's defenses.  Infection is never a good thing.  It delays healing.  It is a post operative complication. 
 
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December 11, 2007, 7:56 pm PST

I Agree with the Uncle!

I just watched the show, and I completely agree with Jan's Uncle Dr. Whatever.  This trajedy WOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED TO DONDA WEST if Jan Adams was not BLACK!  The uncle is exactly right!!!!  If Jan was not Black, Affirmative Action would not have gained him acceptance into Medical School.  He clearly could never have been admitted on his own.  If he wasn't Black, he would never have been Donda's surgeon, but instead would have been selling her used cars.  What a trajedy.  The Uncle is right. 
 
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December 11, 2007, 8:42 pm PST

Infections Heal???

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I don't mean to argue with your surgeon but I am sure that you misunderstood what he said.  Or maybe it had something to do with the type of tumor your daughter had.  Surgical incisions will not heal when there is an infection underneath.  An incision that suddenly opens and starts having drainage needs immediate attention.  Infections delay healing and cause a multitude of problems.  (Read the post from the poor lady with MRSA in her incisions.)  The body is an awesome machine.  It does what it can to get out the infection.  For example a healed incision may open so that the infection can "get out," an incision may not heal properly because infection is present, white blood cells increase to fight off infection and even fevers are part of the body's defenses.  Infection is never a good thing.  It delays healing.  It is a post operative complication. 

What the heck are you saying?  Infections make you heal faster?  That makes no sense to me at all, and I'm a pilot for United so I know what I am talking about.   Here in Scottsdale, we know a thing or 2 about cosmetic surgery.  In fact, I used to know one real good.
 
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December 11, 2007, 9:03 pm PST

Background checks!!!!

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    I am an empathetic person by nature. And I truly feel sorry for the people who have been affected by this horrible doctor. Now that this is said I would like to say..... Are these people crazy? If I would ever turn to cosmetic surgery I would do the most throe background search ever, and only choose someone who is certified and comes with good references! This person is not just cutting you open he is permanently changing your body with an already established risk of DEATH!!!  And just as a rule of thumb... If you can go get a tummy tuck and then go next door to buy a cheese burger it's probably not a good place to go. Most good doctors are not located in strip malls!!!!!! (no offense to any GOOD Dr. located in a strip mall it's just an opinion:-) And out of all these people the mother of Kane West!!!!! Here we go again, I'm sorry to be rude, I think he's a wonderful artist but...He has sooooo much money yet his mother is going to a strip mall non certified Doctor???? What???? I'm a normal middle class person but I wouldn't ever let my mother go to a place like that!!! I would pay the difference for a good doctor that would keep my mother safe!  

   I feel bad I came off rude but use common sense before the big decisions people! That saves the pain of a bad mistake or in this case malpractice! I hope the all sue and win and this "doctor" is never allowed to practice medicine again!

   I cant wait to see the show!!!

Are you serious?? Nowadays that means nothing. In my experience I was referred to a surgeon by my famiy doctor of whom I was a patient since I was 10 and he delivered both my children at age 21 and 25. I researched this surgeon and found no malpractice cases against him. This is from legal medical boards. I also found out that he was the best in the valley where I lived. Other surgeons recommended him. I researched for 8months and sill had a horrible experience. So really I agree with you but the real answer is dont do it !!!!!!!

 
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December 11, 2007, 9:54 pm PST

Boobs By K-Mart????

Folks, if your husband can shop for live bait and tackle, purchase some stocking stuffers and buy some Birth Control while you’re in the SAME area having SURGERY you are going to the WRONG dang place for ANY KIND OF SURGERY!!!

I’m not for one moment, excusing the MD-Jan Adams- who made that practice seem normal and/or appropriate. Just from what was revealed on today’s show this guy seems integrity-free! Blaming patients for a botched surgery is SICK!!!

However, this is a ‘Buyer-Beware’ world we are living in and while everyone hopes that every MD that they encounter is, at the very least, capable of some measure of ethics and a code of conduct that will at least leave them unharmed, physicians are people, too! And, I’m sorry to say that money is just as big a lure for the unethical MD, as it is for anyone else.

 
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December 11, 2007, 10:04 pm PST

Cost Cutting vs Good Care

We as a society complain that "insurance companies" force people into "drive-thru" births, but really when it comes to spending our OWN dollars, it is amazing at how--ahem--"cost-conscious" we can become.  And to our own detrement!

 

I admit that I, like the first woman on the show, wanted to have multiple procedures done in one visit rather than separate ones and sought a surgeon who would do the combination surgery.  (Although it was only a tummy tuck and breast augmentation, not full body lift.)  I wanted to combine them for other reasons, such as less overall down-time because I have four children.  The combo doctor, however, required an overnight stay (and the subsequent cost) and it became not any more cost-effective to do the two procedures at once.  I was further convinced that having a break between the two procedures would aid in healing, so that is what I opted for.  But had someone sweet-talked me into some "buy-one, get one half off" deal, I am ashamed to say I would have probably thought about it.

 

I understand what the doctors were saying about the increasing availability of these procedures to people who cannot afford the additional adjustments--it is like "qualifying" for a huge mortgage, just being able to squeek out the payments, but not being able to afford to put in the lawn let alone landscape it!  Cosmetic procedures are not a "quick fix."  They are a step, a portion of lifestyle changes and additional upkeep to maintain any benefit.  They are not an investment--they are a luxury.  Investments have lasting dividends over time.  Without further allocation of resources (time or money) the benefits of the surgery or the overall effect will be lost over time.  Like it or not, it is the truth. 

 

How many women getting "discount" breast implants are told that these are not permanent fixtures--they are only figured to last a max of 10 years (maybe 14 if all goes well) but in most likelihood, they will need to be either removed replaced at some point down the line--especially if a 20 year old gets them.  Do they plan on how they are going to pay for the "next ones?"  This is something that is lacking in disclosure still, I think.

 
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December 11, 2007, 11:03 pm PST

I can't believe he did it...

 I don't know if any of the guests saw Dr. Jan Adams. On the TV show called Plastic Srugery Before and After it airs on Wednesdays and Sundays nights at 910c on the Discovery Heath channel. He sounded good on the show but will he be fried from that show that's on Discovery Heath or will happened to Dr. Jan Adams for years to come?
 
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December 11, 2007, 11:30 pm PST

Accepting Ourselves the way we are

Society has placed a terrible burden on women to "be beautiful" at all costs.  Genetics, lifestyle choices such as tanning, overeating, lack of exercise, poor health, can all come into play, and create the feeling that because we dont look perfect on the outside, what is on the inside doesnt matter.  For years men have stated the reason they have affairs is because their wives gain weight during pregnancy, and just never look the same afterwards.  Not all women have the time, money, energy to go to a gym.  Not all women have babysitting resources so we can spend time on ourselves.  Sometimes Dad's arent in the picture, and grandparents arent available.  We work outside and inside the home, often without any help.  Our children come first, and while I know Dr.Phil would say we cant take care of others until we take care of ourselves, he is coming from a point of view where money for workouts arent a problem for he & Robin. I have been trying to get financial assitance so I can join my local Y but I dont qualify because I have an IRA.  I have arthritis, Crohn's Disease, and had open heart surgery last year, and would love to be able to work out in a pool.  My point is, a lot of us, me included, spend a large part of our lives trying to look like and be like someone else, instead of just accepting where we are and the limitations we have, and trying to make the most of each day.  If I had all the money in the world, I wouldnt do to my body what some of these women have because it doesnt last, and most people want more, and when they have all done that they want, they still arent happy, because of what is inside.  How many men with pot bellies do you read about that go to these extremes?  Ladies-just love yourself the way you are and do the best you can, then stop beating yourself up because you arent "perfect".  No one is-not even those who have had successful cosmetic surgery.
 
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December 12, 2007, 12:47 am PST

Plastic Surgery Nightmares

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In all honesty....if I was to ever have plastic surgery (which I doubt very much I would do), having seen Dr. Adams on TV hosting a show based on plastic surgery, I would assume he was a competent, board certified surgeon, and probably would have been very trustworthy of him. Surgery of any kind comes with risks, but I will admit, just from watching him on TV alone, and hearing him speak of surgery and the risks, I probably wouldnt have researched his credentials as much as I would for my own neighborhood doctor. Shame on me! And good thing I love myself the way I am!

I think this show was totally wrong.  These were people that didn't investigate their dr or the office.  They obviously didn't know the risks or the types of scars they could end up with.  I had weight loss surgery and lost 232 lbs.  I've had many of these surgeries.  Some did well and some didn't.  its not an exact science.  Every one of them had issues that I was aware of before my surgery.    FOr the one tha had weight loss surgery, you realy didn't do your homework.  You have classic issues of people that have had these types of surgeries.  I've had my arms done.  Mine look about like yours...numbness is a risk.  As to the lady that kept opening up...I know someone that had that problem.  Its a risk.  She should know the risks before allowing someone to cut into your body.  As for location of the office...as long as they have the equipment etc...its very common now adays.  I also know many send patients to hotels to save them money.  I've had some very big surgeries and I spent barely any time in the hospital when I had them.  I spent most on my own in a hotel.  Maybe this dr has issues...but these were not really anything that would make me sure of it.  Its typical and every plastic surgeon deals with them.  I walked away from the show feeling like it was a bashing show and that these women wouldn't have been happy no matter what.  If you don't like scars then you shouldnt get surgery.  No one knows how they will heal till its done.  I'm sorry they didn't have good experiences but all my scars aren't perfect either.  Should I sue my dr also?   No...because I did my homework and knew what could happen.  I felt I could live with.

 

And anyone that has surgery with a surgeon they never met till 10 min before the surgery...you are crazy.

 
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December 12, 2007, 12:51 am PST

12/11 Plastic Surgery Nightmares

Quote From: irgoddes1

We as a society complain that "insurance companies" force people into "drive-thru" births, but really when it comes to spending our OWN dollars, it is amazing at how--ahem--"cost-conscious" we can become.  And to our own detrement!

 

I admit that I, like the first woman on the show, wanted to have multiple procedures done in one visit rather than separate ones and sought a surgeon who would do the combination surgery.  (Although it was only a tummy tuck and breast augmentation, not full body lift.)  I wanted to combine them for other reasons, such as less overall down-time because I have four children.  The combo doctor, however, required an overnight stay (and the subsequent cost) and it became not any more cost-effective to do the two procedures at once.  I was further convinced that having a break between the two procedures would aid in healing, so that is what I opted for.  But had someone sweet-talked me into some "buy-one, get one half off" deal, I am ashamed to say I would have probably thought about it.

 

I understand what the doctors were saying about the increasing availability of these procedures to people who cannot afford the additional adjustments--it is like "qualifying" for a huge mortgage, just being able to squeek out the payments, but not being able to afford to put in the lawn let alone landscape it!  Cosmetic procedures are not a "quick fix."  They are a step, a portion of lifestyle changes and additional upkeep to maintain any benefit.  They are not an investment--they are a luxury.  Investments have lasting dividends over time.  Without further allocation of resources (time or money) the benefits of the surgery or the overall effect will be lost over time.  Like it or not, it is the truth. 

 

How many women getting "discount" breast implants are told that these are not permanent fixtures--they are only figured to last a max of 10 years (maybe 14 if all goes well) but in most likelihood, they will need to be either removed replaced at some point down the line--especially if a 20 year old gets them.  Do they plan on how they are going to pay for the "next ones?"  This is something that is lacking in disclosure still, I think.

She had more than a body life...a body lift is the waist down...she also had her arms and thighs..she should never have had that done at once..it should have been broken up in to several surgeries.  Every surgeon is diferent in what they will do in one surgery.  She also had the dog ears which are common in legs and arms and the scars not being straight is something I was warned about.  Its hard when you are laying down for them to make it perfect.  They do draw all over you when you're standing but its only as a guide.  My arms aren't to bad but they are far from perfect.  But I decided the scar was better than arms so flabby I couldnt wear shirts with sleeves...they were to tight.
 
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