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Topic : 12/12 Christmas Chaos

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Created on : Thursday, December 06, 2007, 03:13:00 pm
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'Tis the season to be jolly, but some households are filled with more coal than candy. First up, Jose thinks Christmas is too commercialized and hates Christmas trees, lights and holiday parties. His wife, Tammy, says he’s just a cheapskate, and says one year he gave her a stuffed animal that he found in the dumpster! Can Dr. Phil get Jose to change his “bah humbug” ways? Then, since Gary's mother died, he tries to bring his father, Albert, and siblings together, but says gossip and jealousy keep them apart. His sisters, Wrajean and Cheryl, complain that Albert idolizes Gary’s wife and treats her better than his own daughters. The last time the family got together for the holidays was in 2002. Can they gather ‘round the Christmas tree this year? And, for the fourth straight year, Dr. Phil and Robin host Christmas in Washington to help celebrate the true holiday spirit! See special performances by R&B superstar Ne-Yo, country crooner Alan Jackson, pop star Katherine McPhee and High School Musical’s Vanessa Hudgens'. Christmas in Washington airs Wednesday, December 12 at 10 p.m. EST/PST exclusively on TNT! Talk about the show here.

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December 12, 2007, 3:33 pm PST

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Dr. Phil really missed the point with the family that lost Mom and now the two daughters and one son fight at Christmas. The two daughters are hurt to see their sister-in-law treated with warmth and love by their father, while they are somewhat ignored (I assume). Dr. Phil needed to tell that father that he needs to make an effort to connect with his daughters and make them feel loved. However, I'm afraid the man is very self-centered (while not being a bad guy). He goes to his son's house and enjoys the warmth of his son and daughter-in-law and their children. He is getting his needs met and he's not a person who ever had to worry about other people's feelings. His wife did that. His daughters want him to be a man and he wants to be a child who is cared for and comforted and catered to. He needs to make an effort toward his daughters and tell them that he loves them rather than being thoughtful only toward his daughter-in-law because she's close by.
 
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December 12, 2007, 3:43 pm PST

He's not grinch or a scrooge

I don't like spending money on extravagant gifts myself. I agree partially with the man...Christmas is over materialistic anymore...we ( in my house) make some homemade gifts for each other. Not only do you save $$ but you get to b e creative and use your imagination.

Let me just say I don;t dumpster dive (gifts or not) but if I didi I sure wouldn't brag about to the gift recipient. Living frugally is our life...not because we want to but because we have to. It's our way of life and we like, it.

 
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December 12, 2007, 3:44 pm PST

I hate Christmas

I think Christmas is forced down our throats.  There is pressure to buy the "perfect gift."   Diamonds, electronics, cell phones..  I worked in retail for many years, and saw how ugly people were over grabbing that item before someone else got it, or griping about waiting in line, or complaining about prices.  All this for stuff that got returned the day after Christmas.  I don't think people really care about the gift.  It makes me angry to be guilt tripped into spending money on people I hardly know, but am expected to give a gift to.  I hate crowds and shopping for the "perfect gift."  It's a lot of pressure.  Thank goodness for the internet.  I shopped online for the first time this year, and I loved it.

 

My dad used to make us lay all of our presents out on our beds, and our relatives were paraded through our rooms to see how much stuff "Santa" brought.  The process was repeated at each uncle's house.  I was humiliated. I was very shy as a child and hated being paraded in front of relatives in a new outfit for the holidays and expected to be "cute."

 

I was terrified of sitting on Santa's lap, and I still see kids crying when their parents force them to do it.  I think it's all for the parents' "Christmas memories."  Forcing a child to sit on a stranger's lap is mean.

 
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December 12, 2007, 3:50 pm PST

I understand.

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I understand not every family is the same but when my Father died on christmas eve last year, my life changed forever. We went a very long time not getting along when I was a teenager, but when I got older and had kids I was able to take care of him and comfort him when my Mom died. I want to take these girls and the dad and shake them and tell them all of this won't matter when he is gone. What matters is he is your dad. He needs his daughters. I would not change a thing as far as me and my dads relationship.

I lost both of my parents 1 1/2 years ago. Yes, it changes you forever. I am so sorry you lost your dad and on Christmas Eve. Maya Angelou said, "No matter what kind of relationship you have with your parents, you will miss them when they're gone." I agree, none of this will matter when thier dad is gone. Except the part where they couldn't get along. And then it will be too late. I wish you a good Christmas.

 
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December 12, 2007, 3:57 pm PST

You said it!

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Dr. Phil really missed the point with the family that lost Mom and now the two daughters and one son fight at Christmas. The two daughters are hurt to see their sister-in-law treated with warmth and love by their father, while they are somewhat ignored (I assume). Dr. Phil needed to tell that father that he needs to make an effort to connect with his daughters and make them feel loved. However, I'm afraid the man is very self-centered (while not being a bad guy). He goes to his son's house and enjoys the warmth of his son and daughter-in-law and their children. He is getting his needs met and he's not a person who ever had to worry about other people's feelings. His wife did that. His daughters want him to be a man and he wants to be a child who is cared for and comforted and catered to. He needs to make an effort toward his daughters and tell them that he loves them rather than being thoughtful only toward his daughter-in-law because she's close by.
I was just getting ready to say the exact same thing that you did!   I was all ears when I heard the premise of the problem, the two daughters feeling ignored and unloved by the father after the mother died.  The SAME thing happened in my family and I really wanted to know what dr. Phil thought about it.  It ended up Dr Phil just using that story as a spring board to talk about being civil at family get-togethers if you don't all get along very well the rest of the year. 

My mother died 3 years ago, and my dad never said one word to us unless we called him.  I was so mad at him and felt like he didn't care about me or my sisters.  I know he lost his wife but we lost our mother!  He basically decided that life wasn't worth living and willed himself to die, which he did almost exactly two months after my mom died.  I was hurt and mad that he didn't care to stick around for us.  I've had conflicting feelings ever since then.  I still loved my dad, but was still very hurt by his actions. 

I totally understood what the situation was for that family, and felt like Dr Phil just ignored that part of the story. 
 
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December 12, 2007, 4:06 pm PST

Did it ever occur to you.....

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Dr. Phil really missed the point with the family that lost Mom and now the two daughters and one son fight at Christmas. The two daughters are hurt to see their sister-in-law treated with warmth and love by their father, while they are somewhat ignored (I assume). Dr. Phil needed to tell that father that he needs to make an effort to connect with his daughters and make them feel loved. However, I'm afraid the man is very self-centered (while not being a bad guy). He goes to his son's house and enjoys the warmth of his son and daughter-in-law and their children. He is getting his needs met and he's not a person who ever had to worry about other people's feelings. His wife did that. His daughters want him to be a man and he wants to be a child who is cared for and comforted and catered to. He needs to make an effort toward his daughters and tell them that he loves them rather than being thoughtful only toward his daughter-in-law because she's close by.

Did it ever occur to you that these two daughters seemed to have NO sympathy for their father when his wife (their mother) passed away?  They were so worried about him comforting THEM, that they were too self-absorbed to try and comfort HIM for HIS loss.  Talk about no compassion.  I thought they appeared to be self-centered narcissists.  They didn’t go and comfort HIM, which is where they should have been.  The father is RIGHT.  His daughters SHOULD BE GOING TO VISIT HIM.  When I was growing up we always went to visit our grandparents and other older family members.  I never would have even considered having them come to visit me.  That is what you call tradition and respect. 

 

The daughters were upset about a darn pot or whatever it was and 4 pieces of costume jewelry – but they couldn’t have compassion for their father losing his life partner.  The wife was there long before they were.  Where were they when HE NEEDED THEM???   They were busy fighting over who got what.

 

Think about that one.

 

 
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December 12, 2007, 4:49 pm PST

12/12 Christmas Chaos

 I think Dr.Phil was right, it is not the cost of the gift, it is the intention and the message that is sent. I think Jose believes this ritual is not important, and so he chooses not to participate in it. He misses the fact that it is not important for him, but it is for his wife. He forgets, when we take a spouse on, they come first. Think how happy people would be if both partners put the other first.

The family that drifted apart is very sad, I understand this completely. But, again, (and I am self employed so I always stop work and tune in to Dr.Phil), as I have heard so many times, that family needs a Hero. Dad, he isnt it. Mom was the hero. I think the two daughters want their dad to extend the love they always felt, but truly, Mom probalby made it possible. The relationship has changed, Dad can do what is easy, hence the daughter in law getting so much attention.  Pity, but he has not seen himself in the head of the house role, he has not taken the responsibility to keep up the communication, and the family drifts. I really appreicated it when Dr.Phil said, there may not be many more Christmas dinners.  Something for everyone to think upon.

Beyond that!!!!!!  Thank you for a great show, I have learned a great deal (although I have not benefited from your CD's~ I am working all the time so  I need new eye glasses (the computer ruins your eyes) and because of this and work, CD's are my best friend)~ But, that being said, I really have benefited from listening to your show, thank you for bringing a real psycological self help show to TV. It is much better than shows which just entertain people by bringing pain to the surface for the TV audience to witness. You go beyond that, and give us all some information to hang our hats on.
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December 12, 2007, 5:01 pm PST

A truly sad family

My dad passed away 5 years ago.  There has not been a Christmas that has gone by since then that my 2 brothers and my sister AND my Mom have not missed him.  My Mother is depressed and misses my Dad terribly, BUT we, as her children understand  her pain.  Yes, we lost our  father, whom we loved deeply, but  my Mom lost her life partner whom she shared her life with for almost 60 years.  My God, these girls need to show their Father some compassion.  Also, the one daughter talked about her Dad not hugging her.   My dad was not a "huggy" person either.  That just was how he was brought up, but I know he loved all of us deeply and just had a hard time expressing it.  There have been some bumpy spots in  the road along the way, but we use Christmas as a day we can be together, celebrate the birth of Jesus, and be so grateful we have each other to celebrate this joyous day together.  Don't wait for a funeral for your next family gathering.
 
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December 12, 2007, 5:07 pm PST

12/12 Christmas Chaos

Quote From: ramair

 Jose is right about the whole-sale over-commercialization of Christmas. And, in some venues, it starts the day after Halloween. When the first Christmas items are put on display. It begins even sooner in the yard-goods department. Christmas-themed fabric begins arriving by July. No wonder so many people are "sick" of Christmas by Thanksgiving.
Yes, I think commercialization has warped the meaning of Christmas. So has excessive greed. How many kids "ask for the moon" every Christmas. And, let's not forget all the excessive partying that's become the norm in certain circles. As if drunkeness and gluttony are the only way to "celebrate" Christmas.
Is Jose taking his position too far? Probably. And, is he a cheapskate? A teddy bear fished out of a dumpster does suggest that he is. He ought to at least give her a new one.
Even second  hand from a thrift store would be better than the dumpster.

I agree about the wrong message being sent to kids but most of the time I see it's the parents who go overboard especially at a young age and the kids could care less. By the time they are older it becomes the norm and they have high expectations. It's the parents who need to set the tone and keep things simple for as long as possible and keep Christmas as much about the spirituality of giving from the heart and help the needy in some way.
 
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December 12, 2007, 5:30 pm PST

Large Families

I come from a combined family that is rather large. My father was married and had nine children with his wife before she died. My mother had one son before she was divorced. They then came together and had me. So it truely is "yours, mine and ours." More than half of my brothers and sisters do not have anything to do with me, my mother or my father. I am not sure if there is resentment or what the issues are that they have. I can not recall all of us being together for a holiday or otherwise. Yes in our case its just too far gone. I have spoken my mind to a few of them but who knows if they actually "hear" me. Our dad is 82 years old and will not be around forever, they will realize this when its to late. I am at 30 his baby, but he knows he can depend on me for whatever he may need or want . I love this man with every fiber of my being and can not for the life of me understand his other children. I have several brothers and sister that I have not seen in twenty years. No, that is not an exxageration, i know for a fact one brother i last saw when I was ten years old. So yes some families are just not salvageable. I just dare them to come when he passes away with their hand out wanting something. I can guarentee they get nothing. I am executor of his everything along with my mothers so yes I just dare them! Christmas is about being with the people you love so if that does not include the whole family then so be it.
 
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