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Created on : Friday, January 04, 2008, 02:07:51 pm
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You've heard the saying, “Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me.” But what happens when someone posts malicious comments about you on the Internet? This trend, known as e-vengeance or cyber bullying, can have deadly consequences. Thirteen-year-old Megan Meier committed suicide after being taunted on MySpace by “Josh,” whom she believed to be a cute teenage boy. Unbeknownst to her parents, Ron and Tina, Josh’s profile was fake, which they believe was created by an adult neighbor to monitor Megan. Was this a case of freedom of speech, or harassment? A state senator proposing anti-cyber-bullying legislation and a First Amendment attorney weigh in. Then, Colorado councilwoman Sandy Tucker made national headlines when she posted a controversial joke online. When the mayor asked her to remove remarks he considered offensive, Sandy refused and then resigned. She doesn't feel the need to apologize and says people need to lighten up. Holly lives in Sandy's town, and joins the show via Web cam to tell the former councilwoman why the joke is no laughing matter. Plus, meet a man who says he's constantly taunted by racist slurs while playing Xbox Live. Join the discussion.

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January 9, 2008, 9:26 pm PST

You are so right

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Christine:

 

I feel very sad after reading your story. I have to ask the question, if every child killed themselves because someone said something mean and nasty to them, don't you think society would be in a very bad situation?  Have we become so sensitive that we let others drive us to suicide? I feel bad for the next generation if this is the case because the world is not always a friendly place.

 

Al

Al, I could not agree with you more.  Jane E
 
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January 9, 2008, 9:32 pm PST

For real!!!

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Most people don't even know what "an American" is anymore. Our World is changing VERY fast and Sandy's myopic view of what is an American no longer applies. And it has nothing to do with Americans? Canadians? not being able to take a joke? LMFAO! Open your eyes kiddo. It was totally inappropriate. That was NO JOKE.

 

Our immigration policies have encouraged people from many places to come to our? land. Let us at least show a modicum of courtesy for crying out loud.

I completely agree and was totally rubbed the wrong way when I saw her response to such hateful words. People need to remove the heads from their you know where and get real. Right on!
 
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January 9, 2008, 9:40 pm PST

I agreed with you until...

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A previous post brought up the fact that many items on the Internet do not originate in the USA, thus any legislation would be moot.  I don't think the solution is in laws or government monitoring.  Parents need to monitor online activities of their children.  This should be done on a daily basis.  How?  Home computers should be located in a place in the house so that parents can see at any time what their child is doing on the Internet.  This means no Internet access in their rooms.  Parental controls are available that would deny access to certain sites.  I realize these controls do nothing to control incoming mail, so there needs to be a program written that basically would create "rules" about what would be allowed to come into a individual's cyber mailbox.  The "rules" feature in Outlook, sad to say, isn't good enough.  I have numerous rules in place that don't work.  Additionally, spammers and pfishing expeditions manage to circumvent many of these rules by changing an "i" to a "1" or an "l", changing a "c" to "(", or whatever.  Surely, there is someone out there in "cyberland" smart enough to outsmart these creeps.  I, for one, am sick and tired of all the junk e-mail I get each day; it's in the hundreds. 

 

"Back in the day," we had "Slam Books," which basically served the same purpose as the postings about Meghan that led to her death.  As parents, it is extremely  important that we instill self-esteem in our children so that they understand that, regardless of what others may think and/or say about them, they are perfect in God's eyes and in ours.  Lack of self-esteem is a serious thing.  Obviously, this young woman's was being destroyed by people outside of her family.  How unfortunate.

 

The people responsible should be held accountable.  If not through laws, at least through civil proceedings.  I know her mother said she didn't want any money.  I certainly can understand that.  But perhaps she should re-think that position, sue the people responsible and use the money in a positive way in her daughter's memory.

 

I have yet to hear anything positive about MySpace.  This is a website that parents should make unavailable to their children.  Give them a site more constructive.  Wikipedia comes to mind.  Or any of the college libraries that have made themselves available in the Internet.

 

 Thank you.

I agreed with you until the paragraph of "The people responsible should be held accountable."  The statement is correct but the responsible people were the parents.  That stupid neighbor woman could not haveseen that her ugly messages would cause this girt to kill herself.  But Megan's mother surely knew better than to yell at her so visciously when Megan came to her, appropriately for comfort and support.  Mom should have said: "these people are wrong and idiotic--let's shut this down and not give them another thought."   Jane E
 
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January 9, 2008, 9:44 pm PST

Yeah!

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Seems to me that the words you reserved for the Mother who was doing the on-line harrassment were much softer than the former city councilWOMAN who posted a joke!  You took HER apart, and even with some strong evidence, were nowhere near as hard on her as you were on the former city official.  We HAVE forgotten about jokes; we are overly concerned about offending anyone.  A joke is a joke, and wether or not it is distasteful, the recourse was the vote!  She wouldn't necessarily get MY vote, but that would be my penalty for her or anyone else, if I were offended. 
Dr. Phil blew it when he ripped into the coarse councilwoman and let Megan's mother completely off the hook.  It wasn't the stupid neighbor woman who caused Megan's death:  it was her mother "raising her voice" and speaking visciously to her daughter that sent her over the edge.  Mom could so easily have comforted her distraught daughter and acted like the adult and shut down the horrid messages.  Jane E
 
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January 9, 2008, 9:53 pm PST

you fell for the mother's story

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I am glad that Dr. Phil did a show on cyber bullies. Cyber bullying is becoming very popular and where I do not think that bullying will ever end, People need to be accountable for the things they say. Especially when you are threatening to kill someone and their family! This should not be tolerated by anyone.

And for the woman who helped her daughter bully a teenage girl, that woman needs some serious help. No adult should be treating a child that way. I can not believe the lack of emotion that woman had over the fact that what she and her daughter did ended the life of a 13 year old girl! IF the table had been reveresed and her daughter had been the one to commit suicide over this, she would be all over the family that did this to her.

My heart goes out to the paretns of the young girl who ended her life!

I agree that that horrible neighbor woman should realize what a jerk she is and get help.  But why do you and, apparently, Dr. Phil not place any responsibility at the mom's feet?  She just seemed hellbent on blaming that stupic woman.  But she is the one who raised her voice to her own daughter and shoved her away verbally when Megan went to her for comfort and support.  The mom whined that "these were the last words I heard from my child."  How about the last words that were rattling in Megan's mind as she got the belt, buckled it around her neck, positioned it on the closet shelf....It wasn't the emails'.  It was the one person's who should have shown her the highest degree of love and support.  And where was the mom's grief?   Jane E
 
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January 9, 2008, 10:10 pm PST

THANK YOU!

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 am i the only person who thinks that a LOT of the "blame" for what happened to that poor girl was on her own parents shoulders?

do people still think that unmonitored internet usage, myspace pages, chat rooms, etc. should be availabe to any kids at all without mom & dad sitting right there behind them?

myspace has repeatedly proven itself to be poisonous & dangerous, but we don't need legislation to regulate this, unless it's legislation to make parents actually parent.  and don't tell me that they'll get on anyway...my computer is password protected & so should every computer that has a kid in the household.

get with the program, moms & dads!!

Megan's mom is completely to blame in my opinion:  first, she allowed Megan open access to these venomous messages, second, she gave Megan no direction on how to deal with the bullying and, third, and most sadly, she "raised her voice" and laid into her own daughter when she pleaded for comfort and support.  Mom seemed a lot more interested in laying blame on that stupid neighbor woman than feeling grief for the loss of her daughter.  And you're right when you say that it's the parent's responsibility to monitor their kids' use of the computer.  If you're unable to monitor it, for whatever reason, then turn it OFF.

 
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January 9, 2008, 10:43 pm PST

01/08 Cyber Bullies

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There are parents that beat and abuse their own children. Megan's mom failed her daughter.

harsh.  i think you are pointing the finger at the wrong adult
 
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January 9, 2008, 11:06 pm PST

so judgemental

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Still....in the end, we are talking about suicide from name calling.....it is a huge stretch and obviously this gal had much more issues than what this one person said to her on the internet....which if it happened over a long period of time, the mother of the gal who killed herself should have disconnected the internet rather than let her repeatedly login to take the abuse and respond to it.
In Megan's case, the mother was involved more than many parents are. I'm sure that she is judging herself enough without your help. Someone who is grieving often wonders what s/he could have done differently.  I think it is so sad that people can be so judgmental of this grieving mom's actions.  She had nothing to do with encouraging the woman to do this to this little girl.  Let's keep the focus on the appropriate person.  Name calling is not something that just rolls off everyone's back.  Please learn a little more about emotional abuse before you judge her.  Just because you cannot relate to it does not mean it does not affect others.
 
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January 9, 2008, 11:44 pm PST

MEGAN MEIER STORIY

 

  I REALLY WISH THAT THIS NEVER EVEN HAPPENED.TO MEGAN (:

 

  HERE WAS A VERY BEAUITFUL YOUNG LADY WHO TOOK HER LIFE AND DIDN/T DESERVE TO GO THROUGH THIS AS WEELL AS HER FAMILY.

 

  NAY GOD BESTOE APON HER THE CROWN OF RIGHTNESS AND PUT ON HER THE MOST BEAUFUL ROBE OF RIGHTNESS .  

 

    

 
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January 9, 2008, 11:57 pm PST

The more I think about it....

You know, the more I think about the situation with Megan and her family after I posted last night, the more I'm confused.

I'm a male in my 30's, and I'm pretty sure that if I created a fake profile on some online service to strike up a relationship with ANY minor female, let alone one 3 doors down, HAD an "internet relationship" with this female and then had the interactions which led and at least contributed to her death.....wouldn't I be prosecuted under our current laws? Was this just not possible because the alleged perpetrator was another female?

I'm really confused about that, but I don't know enough about the real world application of our laws. Maybe someone else does?

Regardless, again my main point is that people need to educate themselves on technology and not just turn a blind eye to it. People need to know that no one can "magically" come up with your real name and address to "hunt you down" and harm you unless you GIVE it to them over the computer or game console. So it's not like having the internet makes you instantly vulnerable to such threats.

Parents need to realize that the Internet is a public forum and leaving junior alone to communicate "with his friends" is just like sending him downtown to the mall...you don't know who all he or she is talking to and you can't control those interactions. So parents need to stay involved. Parents also need to be educated so they can use the tools that most services and companies provide to restrict and/or monitor their children's internet interactions.

Making the Internet the babysitter IS more dangerous than making the TV the babysitter. Know about it, know the risks, and know your child.

Hopefully people will go about reporting any threats they or their children receive while online in these areas. It's too easy right now for people to talk or type behind the mask of anonymity. If people start complaining and not ignoring these types of behaviors, it will help those bullies realize that they can only go so far.

I also hope that if they don't exist already, laws can be constructed to make a person's interactions with a minor be a little more responsible. Like I posted before, if you can be convicted of contributing to delinquency of a minor or statutory rape, why not contributing to the suicide of a minor through your manipulation of them? It's a sad thing and if it's NOT addressed by our current laws, it should be. It's certainly a more proper and viable alternative than infringing on freedom of speech and other rights. Let's make sure we punish those who need it and do a good job of that, while leaving the rest of our law abiding citizens alone.
 
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