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Created on : Friday, January 04, 2008, 02:07:51 pm
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You've heard the saying, “Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me.” But what happens when someone posts malicious comments about you on the Internet? This trend, known as e-vengeance or cyber bullying, can have deadly consequences. Thirteen-year-old Megan Meier committed suicide after being taunted on MySpace by “Josh,” whom she believed to be a cute teenage boy. Unbeknownst to her parents, Ron and Tina, Josh’s profile was fake, which they believe was created by an adult neighbor to monitor Megan. Was this a case of freedom of speech, or harassment? A state senator proposing anti-cyber-bullying legislation and a First Amendment attorney weigh in. Then, Colorado councilwoman Sandy Tucker made national headlines when she posted a controversial joke online. When the mayor asked her to remove remarks he considered offensive, Sandy refused and then resigned. She doesn't feel the need to apologize and says people need to lighten up. Holly lives in Sandy's town, and joins the show via Web cam to tell the former councilwoman why the joke is no laughing matter. Plus, meet a man who says he's constantly taunted by racist slurs while playing Xbox Live. Join the discussion.

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January 8, 2008, 12:38 pm PST

01/08 Cyber Bullies

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 My heart and prayers go out to you and all the children that have fallen prey to this nightmare. I watched the show this morning and am appaled that ANY living, breathing human being could sit there and talk about "people's freedom of speech" when the freedom is used in such a malicious,  wreckless, irresponsible way as to make a CHILD commit suicide.This country is constantly reminding us as parents how much more advanced other countries are academically and have raised the standards to in my opinion to such a ridicilous standard that it's virtually impossible to have a "happy child". Then you get people that are twisted for whatever reason that use the technology we parents bring into our homes to help our children advance or excel academically and turn it into a lethal weapon. How can anyone honestly say "Freedom Of Speech" when a child's freedom has been totally ripped away by that very same freedom we claim we deserve? I ask the 1st. Ammendent official and anyone else with a child or children ,if this were your child , would you still feel as strongly as you do today to the Freedom Of Speech right. With all due respect I know from experience the the law that is supposed to apply to all does not---if you are in a "high" position,the system CAN and Does get changed so that the criminal is punished but when you are a common person then somehow the victim becomes the criminal. In this case I kept hearing how "parents" need to monitor and ..... How can UNO become porn----FREEDOM FROM PUNISHMENT. May God be with you and your family always and I will pray that your efforts are to no avail. I am so sorry for your loss.
While it's a tragedy that the speech did lead to a suicide, you just can't control speech that way. It IS a violation of freedom of speech to stop someone from saying ANYTHING, as offensive or horrible as it may be.

Her parents SHOULD have been looking at her MySpace account, asking her what she was doing online, finding out who she was talking to. She's a 13-year-old girl, and there are people everywhere who want to victimize and harass these people. Her parents need to be on the lookout for those people.

It's unfortunate that people WANT to say the things that Laurie Drew did, and it's distressing that it led to what it did, but you can't LEGALLY stop her from doing so. Because if you start to say what people can say to others, it gives you the option to control what people say. In this case, would a law be harmful? Of course not. But the issue is that you can't pass a law that says "Laurie Drew can't do this one thing." It has to apply to everyone, and there is no language that can be specific enough to make this law not be a violation of freedom of speech.

As an American, you have to be able to seperate immoral behavior from something you can legally prevent. You can't legislate morality. We've tried to do it in the past, and it ended horribly.
 
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January 8, 2008, 12:39 pm PST

this topic is more important than you ever could imagine

i can not tell you how real this topic is. I am a  year old mother who has a myspace and i often get bullied myslef. Bullies have got to stop they are only insecure with themselves.how juvinille it ws for that mother to do what she did to an innocent young girl. I am so sad. To think   scum like that is free and out of jails sickens me.
 
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January 8, 2008, 12:39 pm PST

Vagueness

While I do find it ridiculous and cowardly what happend to the Meier's child going after a law towards cyber bullies just opens up a box of trouble. Grief can make individuals want to take charge and make a change which would generally be viewed as ok. If however law makers come up with a vague law pointing a finger and slapping cuffs on individuals who "bully" people online there is massive room for error and innocent people will pay the price. I am by no means excusing the cyber bullying but on the other hand the Meier's were fully aware their child had an issue with depression and should have addressed that with psychiatric help and kept her away from the broad spectrum that is the internet.

Another issue I want to address is the fact that the Meier's are not going after the other family in a civil suit. Intentional infliction of emotional distress is a civil matter and if I had been in a position where a friend or family member took their life as a result of harassment I would take the guilty party for every penny and put that money towards a positive cause such as a suicide and/or depression awareness organization. A grieving family can choose to live with hate and sadness or push their grief in a positive direction.

 
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January 8, 2008, 12:40 pm PST

I have been through it

I am a 19 year old girl from Ontario, Canada. Just over a year ago I was in a predicament in which I lost all of my friends and they began to cyber bully me. An ex-friend of mine (or so I believe) Had signed me up for a website called sexsearch.com using my home address, full name, birthdate, and a real photo of me. I started getting emails from people who said they wanted to meet me for sex and such!!! I felt violated and scared, who knows the kind of people that know where I live that are that sex-obsessed that they would look for it on a website. I called the police and because the website that this girl had signed me up for was registered somewhere in the middle east they couldn't even find out who had violated me like this, let alone do anything about it. I think she should be arrested, she had set me up to be attacked, she had put my face and profile in front of sexual predators and nothing could be done about it. The laws need to be changed to prevent this danger... This is not right that it can be allowed. Anyone can put anybody's face on a profile and put that person in danger.
 

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January 8, 2008, 12:41 pm PST

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Quote From: princessgina

That lady that did this to her daughter's school mate should have been prosicuted to the fullest extent of the law. Parents need to be aware of their kids actives on the pc and when they see things like this happening they need to step in and take control of the situation. Another thing parents need to remove pcs from the home if kids abuse it as well.
She was prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. There was no law on the books to control it.
 
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January 8, 2008, 12:43 pm PST

Disgrace

Cyberspace?  This was a crime from three doors away from this lovely little girl.  The mothers statement to the police in which she gives information that clearly implicates her.  This is an adult woman being cruel to a 13 year old chid.  There was obviously jealousy on the mothers part and on her childs part.  The utter cruelty of these two people (along with others involved) clearly should be a crime.  So damaged was the poor, beautiful little girl, that she had not way to go but take her life.  How horrible.

 

Phil is taking to task the woman who posted a note on the web that he found offensive because he was offended.  The free speech applies to everyone but the blacks.  Imus madu e a stupid three word remark and you would have thought he murdered a dozen black kids.  For God's sake, his three words - one of the girls offended said this remark will hurt her all her life....she sure has a surprise for her when she gets into the workforce.  She will be shield by her employers BECAUSE she is black and the company would be afraid of a racial action. This does not happen to white people.  Belive me I worked in Washington, DC and  I have seen it in action.  The black women came in late, took many,many days off, did shoddy work, refused to do some clerical jobs, etc.  but are not called to the office because (as I was told)  they don noyt want to have trouble with the black community..  I left the job because of this reverse racism.  Thhis company was a major mortgage brokers association and lived in fear of repriasile from the black community.  Much of the mortgage collapse comes about because blacks complained about banks refusing to give them mortgages and those banks were forced to give this low-qualifying loand, now the fall out is being seen.  Americans must open your eyes, America is in trouble. 

This woman who claims she had not part in this crime is disgusting and will one day pay dearly for what she has done,,,,,what goes around really does come around.  To the parents of the beautiful young girl, I cannot imagine what I could say to them to help them.  I lost a 22 year old son in a car accident, and the pain is beyond description.  These good people need some sort of justice for this awful loss and in so getting this injustice they help protect thousands of other young children.

 
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January 8, 2008, 12:44 pm PST

legal issues

I do not understand that we cannot begin to change the laws for youth being attacked online. We already have laws in play for online scammers, and for sexual predators, how can this be such a far fetched idea. Wouldn't this fall under identity fraud, they were taking advantage of someone under 18 which lead to her death. I am upset to think that if only this involved money then they might have more of a chance in court. We need to protect our children from almost everything, but how can we protect them from online bullies without any sort of punishment?
 
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January 8, 2008, 12:44 pm PST

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Quote From: doojey

    If you felt you wouldn't be safe saying those words, while walking down a crowded street.   Don't say it on the internet.  Laws need to catch up with technology.

 

I agree. Laws need to be set in place now for the "cyber" world.

 

First murder in Toronto Ontario Canada: A 14 year old girl was murdered. The investigation led to 2 other persons, who were interacting on FaceBook. A 17 year old male has been charged. All this over jealousy.

Unfortunately in Canada, there is "The Young Offenders Act". If this male is charged, he will serve 3 years, and then his records sealed. Note: Both parents of this young girl, are Police Officers.

 
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January 8, 2008, 12:45 pm PST

"Griefing" online

     It's nothing new, but it's still very unfortunate. As a gamer, a lot of this "griefing" is just frustrated gamers with no morals who are upset because they're not winning.

Frankly I think a racist person picks the wrong game to play if they're playing NFL games, as professional football has a very diverse player and fanbase.
 
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January 8, 2008, 12:46 pm PST

left OH small town due to bullying

5 years ago my child was one of a few middle school student's cyber-bullied for 3 years. (Us) parents tried to communicate the concern thru the PTO, school bd., principals, & police: all to no avail (even with proof).  This is a small town, quite inbred (60% of student's in each class are related to each other!), & 'run' by the bullies parents. My child, & other's that had moved into the 'blue ribbon' school district,  ended up in counseling & on anti-depressants, dropped of of clubs & town activities etc...

We, & others who could, moved. My child is very intolerant of anyone being bullied to ts day (always was anyways). My cilds' reason for being bullied was a refusal to choose a click to belong to. The sc. district we left did listen to a professional proposal (brought via a parent) to address the bullying but  the school board decided in the end that the problem 'was not  severe enough to address'! , & from what I hear-nothing has changed to this day.

 

We need laws that tie any & all bullying/threatening behavoir to criminal activities such as assault, harssment/staling  etc. so that parents have some  recourse an/or support.

 
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