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Created on : Friday, January 04, 2008, 02:07:51 pm
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You've heard the saying, “Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me.” But what happens when someone posts malicious comments about you on the Internet? This trend, known as e-vengeance or cyber bullying, can have deadly consequences. Thirteen-year-old Megan Meier committed suicide after being taunted on MySpace by “Josh,” whom she believed to be a cute teenage boy. Unbeknownst to her parents, Ron and Tina, Josh’s profile was fake, which they believe was created by an adult neighbor to monitor Megan. Was this a case of freedom of speech, or harassment? A state senator proposing anti-cyber-bullying legislation and a First Amendment attorney weigh in. Then, Colorado councilwoman Sandy Tucker made national headlines when she posted a controversial joke online. When the mayor asked her to remove remarks he considered offensive, Sandy refused and then resigned. She doesn't feel the need to apologize and says people need to lighten up. Holly lives in Sandy's town, and joins the show via Web cam to tell the former councilwoman why the joke is no laughing matter. Plus, meet a man who says he's constantly taunted by racist slurs while playing Xbox Live. Join the discussion.

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January 8, 2008, 5:25 pm PST

i'm a bully

Ok, well first of all, some people think that 'kids' my age [19], aren't politically aware, and don't care about things going on around them, well your dead wrong.

I just want to say a few things about 'online bullying', first of all, if you walk down the street can you tell me not to curse? No, i can say whatever I desire because I live in America, 'land of the free'. That's what they meant by freedom of speech, you do not have the right to limit my voice.

The 13 yr old girl, sounds like she was the bully, the other girl and her parents just wanted to get back at her for being such a horrible person. Not to mention the selfishness of suicide, she just hurt every single person who cared about her by taking her life. I was bullied for years and years, and thats why i never killed myself, it's completely selfish. Oh, then there's the parents, i see at least one commercial every day telling parents not to let thier children get online unless supervised, where were they at when she was having these chats? Just watching people call their daughter a whore?

Then, we have the Xbox 360 with Xbox live, i am an avid gamer. I regularly play online with other people who enjoy a good competitive game, and also enjoy 'trash talking'. Trash talking is honestly my favorite part of playing the games, if you take it to heart, you already have a mental dissorder. For the children or people who get offended by it, you can add people who feel the same to your freinds lists and create private games where only non trash talkers can play. So quit trying to ruin my gaming expierience, just because your a sore loser, the only people who get upset about people talking trash are the ones who suck to bad at the game to talk trash .

 
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January 8, 2008, 5:25 pm PST

Moral Obligation

 Lori Drew had an moral obligation to stop the fake My Space conversations with Megan once she became aware of the situation. She should have known it would lead to trouble. It is just plain wrong. But is it criminal? It doesn't sound like specific threats were made against Megan. In my opinion this case is not a criminal matter but rather it addresses a profound lack of parental care and thoughtfulness on the part of the only adult aware of the situation, Lori Drew. Yes, Lori Drew had a moral obligation to stop the situation and her lack of caring and concern contributed to the death of Megan.
 
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January 8, 2008, 5:26 pm PST

I have seen this first hand

I remember when Halo 2 came out, and my brother played X-box live with the head phones. I started playing when he got bored of it, and it was mainly all boys playing. Many times I would get bullied because of my voice on my brothers user name. But mostly I was bullied with comments stated: "We won with the fat chick on our team!" Repeatedly, or I was called a transvestite, and although it would start out as one boy insulting me. The rest would join him and gang up on me with harassment. I never played video games after that on X-box live because it happened every time I played with different players. ~Ashley
 
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January 8, 2008, 5:28 pm PST

Internet Laws

It would be nice to hold Cyber Bullies accountable for their actions, but if they are located in another State, Country, etc., whose laws would be used to convict?  The FBI will not waste their resources to go to some distant city in China to pick up a 16 year old boy, who harrassed a kid in Cut-N-Shoot, TX over the internet. There are much larger things in this world that need to be addressed first!  Parents need to get off their lazy butts and be more involved in their kids lives and go outside and play, rather than just turning their kids over to the internet and games.
 
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January 8, 2008, 5:29 pm PST

internet issues

I saw today's show and it botherd me as some of this I had not heard of.  I am a computer professional from my career days but I resigned my position in 2004 to care full time for my oldest son with problems.  I am not a user who does chat rooms, I never thought that they were that safe and sort of stupid to be chatting with complete strangers when you have no idea WHO is on the other end!  I have used message boards before and that seems to be the fartherest of my internet adventure.  I only learned in the last couple of years of the MYSPACE stuff that kids get in trouble with.  I have not allowed my sons to do that at all.  However my husband and I were verbally abused in a message board several years back -- from his ex-wife!  We were in a court battle with her at the time and she had her little group in her message board voting as to how stupid our attorney was, she lied about all of the details and polled her "buds" on badly my husband (her ex) would lose in court.  It was so totally rediculous!  But she never told her online buds about how she just bought a new car and expected us to pay for it and we saw her in that new car on the court day.... and sadly for her, the "poor thing" LOST in court and I guess she had to make her own car payments.  Money that she tried to get out of us was supposedly for their daughter's college - which the girl failed out of and she tried to cover that up, plus she was still demanding alimony from my husband when she was living with the man she was about to marry for the past year.  Yeah, duh, WE WON!!!  So I saw this internet verbal abuse crap from a different perspective than most.  It can be very hurtful, harmful, upsetting and yes I wanted to bonk her one several times but we had to keep quiet that we even knew what she was writing online, so we really did not even get to tell her off for it.  But, you know what?  GOD knows what she did and I have come to learn to let HIM take care of her for me!  I do a sort of prayer about hateful people like that similar to a "God sic 'em for me".

 

I am very sorry the girl promoted on the show today killed herself.  My heart goes out to her family!  I believe the mother when she said she KNOWS the neighbor was truly guilty.  Now, another thought though is that obviously this girl had some internal issues that she either hid from her parents or they overlooked.  I have NEVER felt like I had to go kill myself over what someone else said.  My son is currently 13 and he has ALOT of issues and right now we are seeking a residential home for him so that he can get the help that he needs that I can't supply at home anymore.  He has been a massive family difficulty since age 5 when he was first diagnosed Oppositional Defiant.  My younger son (almost 10) has not had near the issues that his older brother has, so I don't buy the mess I hear from some that "I was a bad parent".  That is alot of bull.  Different children are just different from each other and that is all there is to it.  I was never given a handbook on how to deal with my oldest son.  But parenting the younger one is alot easier, even though the same disciplines and problems are varied.

 

As far as the man who pays (what did he say?) $$ thousands of dollars to Bill Gates just to play games online?  Yeah, I would think that after the first incident he would have stopped and requested a refund of remaining time not used in whatever account he dumps money into.  The money he pays to be harassed is rediculous, however, I agree with him that he should be able to participate in such public activities without being subject to such threats or language. 

 

What I have issues with on the internet is my 13 yr old watching claymation videos of 'figures" laughing and blowing up each other with pancake bombs and the such.  He showed it to me and I told him that anyone who wrote that mess had to be high on drugs as it was just plain stupid and not even funny.  So there is profane language on that and you can't keep up with all the bad sites that keep popping up daily.  Then there are some games that I buy my kids for their GameCube that infiltrates profane language in as well.  It is like you can't keep it from them.  Trying to keep a monitor on all of this is very time consuming and if the parent is NOT on top every day, you can find yourself at a loss.

 

I am in the process of knocking off game and computer time and I try to be with them each time they use the internet.  But it is sure a battle against the idiots of the world working against decent parents!

 

 

 
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January 8, 2008, 5:30 pm PST

01/08 Cyber Bullies

Quote From: okichabbiis

WOW, well let me start by saying THANK YOU for displaying your wisdom and common sense.

 

From your post it sounds like you are on your fifties, you type with such wisdom. To my surprise you are probably fairly young and maybe you have no kids. Which still shocks me that you could know so much about the responsibilities of parenting, You hit it right on the spot.

 

I thank you again for such a smart post, even though the senseless death of anyone is sad, the blame does not lie on society or the Internet. This case has everything to do with good parents and good parenting. The parents on both sides and their skills or lack there of.

 

America needs more people like you!!!

 What about people that do not agree to any terms of service? That are abused and bullied on public websites. I am a victim of defamation and have been struggling to clear my name from a site.  A site that allowed an immature little girl the space to tell people my name and to call me every name in the book, including a cu**. This is not okay!! I cannot get this site to remove it becaase she has the right to her opinion, which clearly means that people can take it too far and violate others because they do not like them. I take responsibility for the things I do but I clearly cannot be held responsible for this.!
 
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January 8, 2008, 5:31 pm PST

I do not agree.

Quote From: violetmay

Adults engage in this kind of behaviour as well. Please do not minimize the damage that can be done to a person's self-esteem...even a well-balanced person...when he is the victim of a cyberbully. Being attacked so often that you don't want to open your email for fear of another bash, having people who used to be your on-line friends turn against you because of lies, being held up for ridicule (or worse) can eat away at the emotional well being of the strongest person.

 

There was a case of a neighbour who posted pictures and telephone number of a little girl on kiddie porn sites and escalated to posting her address and a statement that she wanted to get rid of her virginity, It turned out to be vengeance on the part of the neighbour who didn't want the child, who had written "hello" on his driveway in chalk, on his property. The child and her parents were traumatized by the attention they got as a result of his postings!

 

It doesn't matter how strong you are, if someone takes it upon himself to destroy your reputation...on line or otherwise...if it goes on long enough, it begins to hurt. For kids who are still searching for their identities and feeling their way towards knowing themselves, this can be devastating. Remember when you were 14 and things that you now know are minor and will blow over, were just the end of the world to you.

 

Not only should legislation be implemented to prosecute these bullies, websites that allow this kind of abuse (by ignoring or refusing to take action on reports of cyberassaults) should be held liable as well. Right now, many of these places are like the Old West...completely lawless, without consequences, and ruled by the rudest, most aggressive and offensive users. That has to stop!

I agree with danikat2. I do not think danikat2 was talking about something as tramatic as that little girl with the chalk on the driveway. Of course anyone would be tramatized by that. I think danikat2 was talking more on a one on one issue, (online). With teens these days need to be shown right from wrong, by there parents. Parents are the problem here. We need to teach our children self-esteem, and to love them selfs. If your child is strong, then what others say would not matter to them. IN A PERFECT WORLD. I know that most would disagree with this, but i think there should be an age limit on the computer. Computers are lawless.  I do not see one reason why a child would need to be in chat rooms or even talking to there friends on a computer. I know there would be no way for the law to inforce that, but thats where the parents come in. I think what that women did to that little girl is sick, but why in the world was that little girl on the computer talking to what she thought was a boy she did not know. Shame on me for passing blame on that poor women, but what ever happend to teaching your child about not talking to strangers, why does that not apply to the computer. So much bad as come from teens using the computer. I think if parents are going to let there young teens use the computer, then they are setting them up for peer problems. Parents should stop letting the computer babysit there children, and take out a board game.
 
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January 8, 2008, 5:35 pm PST

PARENTS

Quote From: dragon103

I hate some of the things people do online and I was recently attacked by a large crowd in a disagreement about freedom of expression online, so this came as a mini godsend for me. However, I think the mistake a lot of people make is expecting only the law to solve the problems for us. The laws and constitutions were put in place as a compromise, not to promote good values and morals. Just because something is illegal doesn't mean its wrong, while having the right to do something doesn't always make it right. Besides, changing the law is risky, takes way too long, and because its a compromise, there will always be problems from any change and people who are willing to abuse the system.
You can place high importance in freedom of expression, but the moment you place that in higher priority over other forms of ethics, it's not ethics anymore; it's opinion.

I think a good step in the right direction is to take time and draw two lines, separating what is illegal, what is immoral, and what is merely outside of one's range of tolerance. Then, the next step would be for those who care to come together in a community designed to, peacefully and without bias, promote morals and ethics online, and perhaps elsewhere. It's time for social change!

why don't the parents take more responsibility in childrens actions? If you alow your children to go into an unedited world, why don't they take more action to hide them from the horrible outside world? Every adult in america knows you can find porn on the web, and when your on xbox live, people have webcams, which are also unedited...

 
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January 8, 2008, 5:37 pm PST

Wow...what a small world...

As I watched your show today, my blood ran cold.  My daughter has been through the cyber bully situation...and thank god she made it through it without any terrible incident.  I tend to be an over protective mother (due to many unfortunate situations from my own childhood), and take the time to investigate the activity of my 13 yr old regularly as well as who is responding to her or commenting her...I reprimand her when needed and take away the"currency" when needed...but there is only so far that I can go with this.    In the case of my daughter...the girls were just jealous (my daughter is an above average student, cheerleader and just so happens to be quite naturally pretty)and they had no other way of getting to her.  In the process of the bullying the girls defaced her pictures on her myspace and messages all of her friends then deleted them all.  Not only did this go on at home...but it also carried over to school where the girls proceeded to get a lot of other kids to jump on the band wagon and make lude comments about personal hygene among other things.  Think about it...if everyone at your work place started ganging up on you and tearing you to shreads...you be affected too.  I am seeing alot of comments that are basically saying to "get over it"...I hear what you are saying about preparing our kids for adversity or ridicule...but there are some very mean and demented kids out there...and how do you prepare your child for such evilness?  Luckily in our case I was able to go straight to the parents and handled it immediately...but as far as my daughters self-esteem is concerned...I am sure that she has been damaged by this.  I do my best to keep the lines of communication always open with my daughter...no matter what...but, what if.....it scares me to death. 

 

I allow my daughter online for many reasons...due to our home location (rural), school work, correspondence with family and friends as well as her being able to be up to speed with the environment that we have created.  It is quite unfortunate that something that could potentially bond our world together has been tainted in such a way that no one feels safe using it ;O(

 
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January 8, 2008, 5:39 pm PST

01/08 Cyber Bullies

Quote From: mstangjodi

You have allowed your children as young as 2 to have a MySpace account????  That is totally against the LAW!  You are showing your children that it is OK to break the law.  I guess you think it is fine as long as no one is getting hurt!!  There is no reason for a youngster as young as 2 to have a MySpace!!  You sound certifiably wacko!  This is the problem with a lot of todays youngsters......parents allow them to break the law, in fact, do it with them.  Get a clue before one of your children is the victim to a pedaphile!  Oh, and if you think they (the teenagers) are ONLY getting on-line at your place, think again!

Oh come on!!!  To some people there is more to MySpace than cyber sex or pediophyles.  Do you honestly think the 2 year old is able to contribute anything to their MySpace account?  I would just about bet the mother has the child on there for the benefit of family and friends.

My daughter has a MySpace account for her English Bulldog.  Is she breaking the law?  Her dog is only 2 years old also.  Some of the dog's numerous friends who also have their own accounts include UGA, the Univ of Ga mascot and the Marine Corps mascot, can't remember his name and about 30 other English Bulldogs.  Their conversations are hilarious and sometimes its hard to remember the dog itself isn't doing the writing.   Her dog has gotten several marriage proposals and a few "propositions" but so far hasn't gotten into cybersex.  My daughter does monitor her dogs account closely though.

My daughter has the right to block anybody she finds offensive and does so at the first sign.  She thoughly enjoys her MySpace accounts and has made tons of friends who share the same interests as she has, stay at home mom, her dogs, kids and quilting.

 
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