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Topic : 01/14 "At War with My Teen"

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Created on : Friday, January 11, 2008, 01:01:50 pm
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Family members are supposed to support one another, but what happens when a household is in total meltdown and filled with constant battles? Sandi says her 17-year-old son, Michael, is totally out of control. During a fight they curse, yell, and even come to blows –- all captured on cameras installed in their home. She says she's called the cops seven times and has been so scared of Michael that she's locked herself in the bathroom to escape him. Michael says the bickering is not all his fault. Is he being honest with himself? How is Michael's relationship with his stepdad, Jim, adding to the problem? You won't believe some of the shocking statements the parents make. Find out why Robin joins the conversation onstage, and find out what Dr. Phil thinks is at the root of the problem. Join the discussion.

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January 26, 2008, 5:34 pm PST

01/14 "At War with My Teen"

Quote From: coco994

How I wish I'd seen this show 13 years ago.  Dr. Phil is right when he says it takes a child so long to recover from screaming like that.  I've been out of control with my daughter about 10 times in her life -- she's 16 now.  I think she still doesn't trust me the way she would have if I'd been more like Robin.  And, I usually get aggravated with Robin because she's so perfect.  But, I was so happy to see her up on that stage sitting next to that child.  His mother needs some deep psychological work.   Our children are with us for such a short time.  My child is 16 and will be leaving home soon.  Once they're gone, they're gone.  How I wish I had it all back to do over.

Look Robin is not perfect that is the way they want the public to think she is because they are in the limelight.  Robin at some time in her life with her children had to have a moment where she was not at her best.    All of us have moments like that.  We are human.  Look you do the best you can as a parent.  I have learned that lesson because my son was on drugs and was a holy terror to me and my husband.  We did everything right.  Wanted to know who he was with, where he was going, what time he would be home, he had curfews, he was given just about anything he wanted.  We did everything that parents are supposed to do and he rebelled because of it!

I have learned that the way he was, is the way he chose to be. It was who he was.  It was not my fault!  Each and every parent does his or her best and regardless of whether your child comes from an affluent household or if he comes from a middle class household, or if he comes from a poverty stricken or low income household who your child chooses to be is on him or her.  NOT YOU!  UNDERSTAND THIS AND YOU WILL GET THROUGH LIFE A WHOLE LOT HAPPIER AND EASIER!   BEST OF LUCK TO YOU!

 
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January 27, 2008, 1:56 pm PST

Love to you too!

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I just finished watching this show and it really got to me. I couldnt believe this mother. Then I came on here and read people's posts, and was totally shocked at what some people said. Some of you think this boy is out of control and needs to be taught. Is that a joke? He has been taught for 17 years. His mother has taught him to act angry, loud and rude. This poor boy just doesnt know what to do. It is NOT a child duty to calm their parent down. How do you expect this boy act? If he acted calm with his mother she would take it as mocking. I know this from personal experience. I am 17 years old and my mother and I have a very similar situation. This mother does not listen to a word her son says. He is forced to yell and be physical because his mother will not listen. Michael probably feels so terrible. His mother thinks he is such a horrible child that she dragged him on to this show infront of millions of people. She is completley tearing him apart. At time things have gotten so bad between my mother and I that I have considerng writing to Dr. Phil. But I havent because no 17 year old wants to be embarrassed on national tv. What do you people expect him to say? I feel so bad for him. I wish I could talk to him and help him see that it is not his fault. That other people's parents treat their kids bad too. Wow I wish I could tell him I totally understand him, not bash how he acts. His mother is to blame.
You are so right in what you said. I pray that you have other people in your life to help you get through yours. Yes it would be embarrassing to talk about your problems in front of millions. I am guessing it may be worth it to Michael if in the end he is helped by Dr. Phil and the plan set in action. Perhaps you should pray about it and write to Dr. Phil. I personally believe that God is using Dr. Phil and Robin to help heal our nation. I am helped, encouraged, educated and inspired by his shows. What peace Michael might gain in knowing that his story will help many others who have situations similar to his own. He might gain strength in knowing that he has inspired others to reach out to teens who display such unruly behavior. Michael has opened my eyes. Now that the tears are dry his story has put me in to action to love kids who probably have stories like his own. I hope he sees your post because I am certain it will encourage him. God bless you!
 
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January 28, 2008, 1:47 pm PST

I Like What You've Said

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A Village should never be incestuous and that is a  big problem. Not all clergy or friends are pedophiles.We just need to be more aware. When I say to the single parent that both parental roles are necessary, that does not mean exposing your child to an abuser, it means finding support. I recognize the big difference from living in a big city and that of living in a small town. In a small town it is likely that you know those teachers and babysitters, but in a big city, who do you really know?

 

Yes and they all need therapy as a start, because it can be fixed. The important thing is that the family becomes a product of the village, because the family forms the village. The small town I refer was one where every one did seem to be related and every one knew each other, so the town had to find out who we were and then decide to let us in. It is an amazing phenomenon to observe.

 

You are right some times people need to refuge from their own familes, which is a scary thought in and of itself

 

 

I'm glad that I do not stand alone with my hopes that this CAN be fixed.  Therapy is the start...and it also is a great place to vent rage.  I belive that it will help Sandi to get a better grip on her anger if she has that place to vent...same with Michael.  Jim, do not envy him.  You can be the best step-parent in the world, or try to be...sometimes it works, other times, it just takes longer, if ever.

It does sound scary to sat that you need refuge from your own family, but really, you do.  It's just that break...even if you feel anger coming on, take a walk...get out...don't let it escalate into blind rage, which DOES happen.  I got the feeling, and I could be wrong, (remember, the show has commercials and you can't tell a life in that time slot) but I got the feeling that that they had to finish every issue...that day, that minute.  Michael gets hot, Sandi gets hot, and the more you engage, the hotter you can get.  Sometimes, as I hope they will learn with help, you need to be by yourself...sort it out, then attempt to solve a problem when cooler heads prevail.  The power of a sincere "I'm Sorry"  does go a long way...but it must be said with feeling...and only if you mean it.  Why some people think saying that is showing weakness, upsets me, as I think it is the root of many family problems.  I'm sorry comes from strength, the courage to say I'm human, I screwed up, I was wrong and I'm sorry.  When you say that, then back it up with the effort to seek professional help, you're on your way.  All of the blame, judgement and condemnation is not going to change the past...and yes, I too believe this can be fixed...hoping it is!

 

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January 29, 2008, 10:38 am PST

01/14 "At War with My Teen"

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MY MOTHER IS JUST LIKE THAT LADY.  EVEN HER EYES SAY EVIL. JUST IN GREEN. GROWING UP WITH 4 OTHER SIBLEINGS IN HOUSE YOU CAN ONLY IMAGINE THE NEVER ENDING SCREAMING. EVERY MORNING 6AM OR EARLIER THE WHOLE HOUSE WOULD BE AWOKEN TO NO STOP YELLING. WELL NOW I' M 26 OUT ON MY OWN AND STILL EVERY TIME WE GET AROUND EACH OTHER IT STARTS. JUST LIKE THE LADY NAME CALLING PUT DOWNS FOR NO REASON. AND I TO FEEL THE SAME AS THE TEEN. NO LOVE I DON'T HUG PEOPLE AND I JUST CAN'T WRITE HOW  MUCH PAIN IT WAS DEALING WITH A MOTHER LIKE THAT. DR.PHIL SAID INSANE HE IS SO RIGHT . THESE CRAZY OUTBURSTS SHOULD BE DIANOSED BECAUSE IT'S IN MORE THAN JUST A FEW PEOPLE.
I feel for you.  I dealt with the same thing growing up.  I am going to make a longer post on this topic so for the sake of repeating myself I don't wanna get into the whole thing here and then again in my later post.
 

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January 29, 2008, 11:45 am PST

I cried too

Quote From: newfiedaughter

I am in the process of wathcing this show right now, and never have I ever felt the need to reply until now.

I watch Michael's face on this show, and he seems to know that the behaviour going on is unacceptable.  Although, I don't think he has ever been taught the correct way to communicate.  It breaks my heart to see the pain in his eyes, the tone in his voice.  I just want to be able to do what Robin was able to do... reach out to this young man! (Thank you Phil for calling her up!)

As for the mother, I'm appauled!  To sit there with such a blank look on her face while her son is fighting back tears!!! I cried for this young man and I don't even know him!

I wish Michael and his family the best of luck. Michael deserves the chance to a happy and fulfilling life!

I watched the show just this morning well actually in the middle of the night and I cried too.  The reasons why you can read in a post I will put on this message board at a later time.  Hopefully this weekend.
 

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January 29, 2008, 11:57 am PST

YES apologize to your son!!!

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I see myself and my son in today's show. When he was 11 his father & I divorced. His father was never involved in my son's upbringing even when we were married. When my son was 13 he became an angry angry person. I tried getting family counseling but it didn't seem to help much. But while watching today's show I cried because that was my household when my son was a teenager. I yelled and screamed and he yelled and screamed and it never accomplished anything except to drive us apart. I don't recall calling him names or telling him I wish he were dead but I now see my role in the troubles we had.

 

My son is grown now and our relationship is much stronger. He calls me for advice and he tells me he loves me without prompting. He has apologized repeatedly for the things he did as a teen and I have always said "it's okay" but I've never apologized to him because until today's show I never saw my role in the problems we were having.

 

Should I bring up the past and apologize to him for not being the mom he needed me to be or do I  let it go? As I said, at this point we have a good relationship but I shuddered when I saw the mom's tape on today's show. I feel awful about the things I did when he was a teen.

Personally I feel you should apologize to your son.  It may be in the past but if he repeatedly apologized I would guess that he was prompting you to give your apology.  Take it from me a person that has lived the life of his father and step mothers constant emotional, mental and physical abuse, an apology from you to your son would mean a lot!!!!  In the near future I will be posting "my story" on this message board because I was so touched by this show.  Please feel free to read it.
 
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January 29, 2008, 12:01 pm PST

A Life Changing Event

This is really a post script on my feelings concerning our families.  Getting married is a life changing event, yet so often, more effort is put into the WEDDING than into the MARRIAGE.  Yes, a lovely wedding is a nice thing to have, but given the choice, isn't the planning for a life time together a bit more important than that one day where everything must be "perfect"?  Having a baby is also a monumental life changing event, often planned as if it were shopping for Tuesday night's dinner.

The personalities of both parents are critical, as is the support system you will need.  We plan more for the purchase of a home...a move to a different town.  I'm not saying that isn't wise, because it is...to be aware of the "what If's" is just being responsible.  Yet, with a baby, shouldn't this new arrival be planned, as much as is in our power as flawed humans, beyond the layette sets and the showers ?

Don't people consider their personalities, finances, and social network before having children?  Are you selfish?  If so, admit it.  Maybe it's not the right choice for you.  Are you, by nature, a loud person...how do you express emotion...and are you willing to modify yourself for the task ahead?  Again, if not, then maybe it isn't for YOU.

Are there people you can turn to?  Is your husband equally committed or, if a man, is your wife as committed to this new life...I see the root of many problems in that question.  It's got to be maddening if one person has it all on them, and the partner(?) just bobs along as if there were no big change...there was. 

There is no law that states you must have children.  Don't do it because it is "expected" of you, not by society, your family...you can be married and remain childless, without any shame or guilt.  I appreciate that there are religions where this is a moral expectation..."go forth and reproduce".  Tell that to me when the institutions preaching pick up the slack, and the bills, if you're unable.  Free will, we have it...know youreselves...if this "job" (which it is) does not suit you or your partner, don't take it.  Would anyone want to be with a doctor who hated medicine, was forced into this career by social or family pressure...hates it...but  feels trapped into doing it?  That's a quick trip to the cemetary for a patient...as much as a "family" can be a death sentence of sorts for those who really never wanted it, or never looked into all of the ups and downs of parenting.

If YOU marry an alcoholic, that is your business.  A child deserves NOT to be in that enviornment, yet has no choice...no voice.  To me, that is totally unfair.  The same goes for any quirky trait that as an adult, you can choose to acept or to reject.  Don't invite a baby into a questionable enviornment...one that you may one day, need to escape, and that child will be your "baggage", a term I despise, yet all too often hear.

Life can bring some dark periods, and within a family, you need a rock solid foundation for those times that  really just suck!  A support system is critical...what if someone gets sick? 

If only we'd plan our families with the same intensity as our home purchases, insurances, investments, and the like...maybe we'd have stronger, better families, happier children AND parents, maybe more enjoyment and less misery.  Life is too short....if the responsibilies of children are not for you, that's fine...just don't decide this after the fact.  The education is there, the information is all around us.  Having children is WORK...it can be the most fulfilling job to some, the most thankless to others....people should not be remiss in knowing themselves first.  This is NOT for everyone, as is all too apparent by looking at our society, not only at Sandi, Michael and Dr. Phil.

 

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January 29, 2008, 12:17 pm PST

knowing Mike

Quote From: sailorgirl2008

I don't see where you think you got the right to judge him. I've known mike for quite a few years now, and know for a fact that he isn't trying to "play" anyone. Yes, he has a temper, yes, he was out of line. But please don't think that he just tried to play everyone. You act like you know him and his life, but the truth is you have never met his mother. nothing gives you the right to judge him

I have read a couple of your replies to people and you say that you know Mike.  Honestly I would love to know him as I can relate to how it appears his home-life is.  I lived it myself well not at his home but with living with my father and step-mother.  I would open up my home to Mike any day. 

 

Jason M.

Wilton, IA

iowashopperguy@gmail.com

 

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January 29, 2008, 7:38 pm PST

Did you see the same show I did?

Quote From: okdaisy

       I  agree, the boy physically abused both mother and step-father, stole a car and is totally unproductive.   He gained a boatload of sympathy , probably based on his sweet looks, but watch out!   This is one master of manipulation: he remained calm and pretty much ran the show, trashing his mom. 

      I feel for this completely stressed, out of options woman.  Yes, she does have huge problems, but when did it become fashionable to belittle the mentally disturbed, espcially on this web site?  

       Maybe I'm wrong, but I believe we live in a society where physical abuse is never justified by insulting degrading words from the victim. 

       Mom, the next time your "sweet-faced" boy starts in  tell him ,"I'm not having this discussion.",, then don't   respond .  And take care of yourself--call for help when his hands- on  abuse starts...he has no right to abuse you just because he's a 17 year old son.

I think you must have missed the parts of the show that the mother was ranting and screaming like a crazy woman.  Didn't you see the part where she screamed and went on about the light being shut off (by her husband none the less)  and she went storming into that room and about ripped the switch off the wall turning it back on.  OHHHHHHH the stories I could tell you that happened in my home growing up.  They would make you cry!!!!!  I am sure that he is growing up with some of the same things.  My heart goes out to Michael.  Sure it is not right to do that to your parent but look how he was treated what would you do in his situation.  At a later time I am going to put a blurb on from my childhood I really invite you to read it.
 
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January 31, 2008, 9:27 pm PST

ru kidding?

Quote From: blondie_46

well you just enlightened us to what the issue is not the mother but the father who apparently was abusive and who knows what the child had to endure and probably doesn't have a relationship with him,,  why do people always say where is the father, what difference does it make.  The child knows how is supposed to act and for some reason isn't capable of doing that.  I was appalled that Dr. Phil brough Robin up on the stage, you know somethings I wonder whether dr. phil is thinking when he does things.  He has no idea.  Again, if you don't live with it you have no idea what the real truth it.  All I know yet and again the mother was blamed for what her 17 year old child does, like he has no responsiblity as a young adult.  I am sure she taught him right from wrong and how you are supposed to treat people and he choses not to use what he was taught.  He was way too caviler about the vehicle.
what makes u think the mother taught her son how to act properly? did u get that by watching how she acted in the video?
 
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