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Topic : 01/15 Internet Mistakes

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Created on : Friday, January 11, 2008, 01:03:06 pm
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Girls dancing on bars half-naked, passed out on the beach, hugging the porcelain … these are photos posted for all to see on the Web site Facebook, in a group called Thirty Reasons a Girl Should Call it a Night. These shocking and provocative pictures are supposedly submitted by the women in the photos themselves. The women say they love to have fun, and this is a way to bond with other girls just like them. But are there unforeseen consequences to letting the public behold you at your worst? Dr. Phil speaks with women on both sides of this debate. Jasmine is the moderator for the group Thirty Reasons and says, although she’s responsible for taking down questionable photos, she hasn’t found one yet! Amanda and Norma are incensed that women would degrade themselves in this way. Hear from the president of a company who uses Web sites like Facebook and MySpace to weed out potential employees. Could documenting your good time on the Internet become your biggest regret? Then, a teen who loves to drink says criticism of Thirty Reasons just reinforces the double standard of gender inequality. What do Dr. Phil and the teen’s mother think? Plus, a mayor’s sexy photo has her town’s residents outraged. And, meet a substitute teacher who says he was unfairly fired from his job two times for what’s on his MySpace page. Share your thoughts here.

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January 15, 2008, 7:52 pm PST

Private vs. Public

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 Wow ... I feel that a very important point was completely overlooked.

Is it just me, or does anybody else feel that once a person places their "personal" and "private" business on-line for the entire world to access that they are relinquishing their right to confidentiality?

How strange that these people, especially the substitute teacher, are so shocked and horrified that their privacy has been violated and have been held accountable for their personal conduct.

Do what you want, if you must, but don't advertise to the outside world if you want to keep your personal life "private"!!

You took the words right out of my mouth!!!  I can't believe that even Dr Phil didn't make that distinction - nor did the Employment Recruiter. 

 
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January 15, 2008, 7:52 pm PST

The Root of Issue is Being Overlooked

 I remember when I was 16-17 years old, I also felt that every decision I made was right.  And honestly at that time it was right for me.  AT THAT TIME.  I am glad that I was not faced with the option of posting pictures of myself in a drunken stupper on the internet because when I was that age, I cannot honestly say that I wouldn't have.  Doesn't this go to the age old act of "peer pressure"?  Isn't it fun and cool when you are that age to have your friends look at the pictures and have a laugh about them?  We all have to be honest no matter what age we are.  The sad part is that the show was looked at by a lot of the members of that Facebook group as "a joke".  A direct quote taken from the website, moments ago.  Mary Elizabeth is on there speaking of and making plans to drink with another member.  If she did not have other members sending her messages encouraging her to do things that deep down she may not even want to do, do you think she would continue to do them and maybe "push it further" each time?  Isn't that peer pressure??  One of the saddest parts of the show was the lack of responsibility coming from her Mother.  At 17 you are NOT an adult and still very impressionable.  For her mother to know about her drinking issues and to basically wash her hands of it, that is the major problem.  Self esteem in young ladies is on a great downward spiral, even more so then when I was a teenager in the 80's.  There is more pressure to grow up fast, have the latest designer clothes, look older and become what they feel is "independant" at such young ages.  Maybe they are forced to make their own decisions too soon.  Maybe there is a definate lack of parental guidance and control.  I believe that everyone should be treated as the individual that they are but as a mother it is my job to provide my child with all the "POSITIVE" tools available.  Yes at 17 you do know wrong from right, but how are they suppose to have the ability to see the future consequences of their current actions if they do not have the right guidance?  Amanda ( I believe that was her name) was very well spoken and trying to be very articulate in an effort to make Mary Elizabeth look bad.  I understand that on some level she was trying to "help" this girl but her underlying motive was really no different than the other girls.  When you suffer from low self esteem and feel kind of "lost" inside the easiest way to try to make yourself feel better is to put others down.  Amanda should stay of the Facebook sight and continue to concentrate on what she feels are her positive traits. 
I too started drinking and partying when I was young (14-15).  My parents were a little more naive and I did things that I was not proud of.  It is like being an addict when you start so young, what is the next level to get to, to make yourself feel good.  How much fun can I have? Not until I was in my 30's and became a wife and mother did I realize how some of my actions were hurtful...to myself!  The thing that worries me is when these young ladies are passed out what is or what could happen to them.  I do not believe that because you party and drink you are a slut and if others see you that way, really that is their issue.  But if you run into a person (male or female) with very poor judgement, they could ruin your life and you may not even know it happened until it is too late.  Instead of attacking these girls why not set up a forum where they can display their positive attributes?  Maybe they would like an anonymous, un-public forum where they can vent?  I think that Doctor Phil did a great job in leading the discussion and "guiding" the girls in a certain direction of thinking.  I, being there, know what a cry for help sounds like!  I wish all the girls the best and hope that they will look into themselves and really be able to find who THEY are.  Please young ladies, this is not a direct attack against your generation.  I consider myself a young thinking realist who honestly has been down a few paths I wish I had not taken but if I hadn't, I would not be where I am today.
 
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January 15, 2008, 7:54 pm PST

Reality

 The reality is it will affect all of you and believe it or not, men will not like to be seriously commited to someone who does not respect herself and has a very low self-esteem. Is not about having experiences when you are young and stupid, is about posting them.

I have myspace as well and facebook, and you will not see pictures of me like that, I like people to respect me.


 
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January 15, 2008, 7:55 pm PST

The point is valid..but still sexist..

I agree with alot of the previous posts, but the major thing that keeps coming up for me is, why is this suddenly an issue when it's a bunch of girls/women exhibiting this behaviour? I don't know how many emails I've had sent to me in the past which has all the same stuff, drunken stupidity caught on camera, but it's unremarkable because it's men. I'm not saying it's smarter or somehow justified, but it's interesting how it's a 'boys will be boys' attitude for them, but for women this is so shocking that it deserves a Dr.Phil show dedicated to exposing this terrible behaviour that is so un-becoming of the fairer sex!
 
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January 15, 2008, 7:56 pm PST

Women need to value themselves

What has happened to women today?  When did we decide that behaving like animals and drunks was a fun way to behave and live our lives.  I keep hearing they want to do the same things men can do... Why.. Who ever said that men's behavior was something to emulate especially after a few beers.  I don't understand it, self control of any kind is out the window.   And what happens when these women get pregnant unintenionally and have children with fetal alcohol syndrome.  Who is going to take care of these children, these responsible women who thought keeping up with the guys would look good on their resume.

I want to go back to the fifities, when men valued themselves and treated women with respect and actually honored women and their role in this world.  I totally agree with equal pay for equal work but women have lost so much in that past 40 years because of this attitude that we had to be able to do whatever men did regardless of the consequences.


 
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January 15, 2008, 8:06 pm PST

No, No, please stop it

Are you people for real?  Go back to the fifties??? Why do women degrade themselves???

What's wrong with people today! Okay, I would never put a drunken picture of me on my myspace but I know people who do and I don't think any less of them...people are seeming to forget that everyone lives their own lives...if my friend puts a slutty picture on myspace that makes men think that I'm a slut because I'm a woman and I hang out with her, then that's the guys problem...not hers and certainly not mine. What the hell is happening to this world?!
 
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January 15, 2008, 8:06 pm PST

Internet mistakes

Dr. Phil,

I love you and I love your show.  I watched today concerning the little girl who hung herself.  As a parent I can not imagine living with such a tragedy.  However, I must say that this little had to have some issues prior to this tragedy.  For a 13 year old girl to go to such an extent would really make me question as to what other issues were taking place.

 

Also, and please I'm not down playing this tragedy at all, but I can tell you as a parent of a teenager they do not have access to My Space, or to any other sites that would allow this type of communication, they do not have access to email and can not instant message anyone.  I put blocks on all those functions so that my teenager can not participate.  If they want to talk to their friends, I'm sorry, but they have to suffer through and do it the "old fashion" way - USING THE TELEPHONE.

 

The problem today is children have so much more available to them at their finger tips, that they are neither old enough or mature enough to handle such freedom, so that's where the parents MUST step in.  Too many parents these days are using the internet, video games, and television to take the place of parental guidance.  I know I'm probably considered the meanest mother around, and if that's the case well so be it.  I will not allow my children to be subject to such trash and as long as I have control of my kids and what goes on in my household, that's the way it's going to be.

 

With technology growing and increasing, parents need to take more time to check on what their children are doing. 

 

One other comment I wanted to make - unfortunately the gentlemen that was supporting and upholding our right to freedom of speech I believe is correct.  I think once we begin to place limits or restrictions or what people can and can't say - more problems will arrise.  HOWEVER, just like I wouldn't allow my 13 year old girl go into a store and purchase a playgirl magazine, I do not allow her to be exposed to such things on the internet.  We don't expect the stores to take away all the inappropriate magazines, however, we as parents can control what our teenagers read and what takes place in the home.

 

I usually do not comment on such things - but this tragedy really got to me, and I can't help to believe that if this little girl had restrictions placed on the computer that would allow her to use it for research purposes, school work, etc. just maybe it wouldn't have come to this.  At least if someone wanted to be mean to her they would have had the guts to do it in person. My greatest sympathy and my heart goes out to the family and the parents of this little girl.

 

Thanks for listening. 

I wish for you and your family nothing but the best of luck, good health, and much happiness,

God Bless,

Gina

 
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January 15, 2008, 8:07 pm PST

01/15 Internet Mistakes

The people putting pictures of themselves drunk on the internet argue that these pictures were taken in fun and should not be taken seriously. What they fail to understand is that everybody else IS taking the pictures seriously. Whether they SHOULD or SHOULD NOT the reality is that they are. So with that knowledge, they choose to go ahead and do it anyway. Then after posting these pictures on a public forum - they are up in arms when the public has an opinion about them. Well, you can't have your cake and eat it too. If you choose to portray your self image in that way - you have to accept the consequences of your actions. They're inability to understand that your personal life absolutely affects your professional life evidences their lack of maturity.

 

I just hope that the 17 year old gets help for her drinking problem. If she is getting good grades in school and plans to go to college - she is just setting up giant road blocks in her own way! Where were the adults in her life up to this point who should have told her that this is not acceptable behavior?

 

The sub teacher - I don't even know what to say about him. He should not be working in the school district at all. Would you want him teaching your kids? He doesn't want to be there, he is promoting his band that he must know some parents may find objectionable, and even after he gets his job back - he does it again!? I just don't get it.

 
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January 15, 2008, 8:10 pm PST

Leave them alone

I find it interesting that our young people always manage to find a way that makes the rest of us cringe and all we can do is "counsel" them about their evil ways.  I wonder how many young people have changed their behavior as a result  of our wise counsel when they were bent on doing it "their way" at all cost.  If our young people must learn for themselves the consequences of their stupid and foolish behavior,  then perhaps we need to save our breath and let them learn, after all,  it is their turn.  Their turn to be passed over for a job they wanted because of their foolishness as a young person; their turn to be thought of as a misfit, roughneck or slut because of the way they presented themselves in their younger days; their turn to not be all they could be because of their desire to go against the grain for what they mistakenly believed was their freedom of expression. I wish them well,  and please, don't ask for spare change, it is my turn to "just say no"

 
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January 15, 2008, 8:11 pm PST

Another thing...

Um...I'm a woman that doesn't go puking publicly on myspace and so is my teenage sister...so how come we don't feel insulted by this??

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BECAUSE WE'RE SANE!
 
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