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Girls dancing on bars half-naked, passed out on the beach, hugging the porcelain … these are photos posted for all to see on the Web site Facebook, in a group called Thirty Reasons a Girl Should Call it a Night. These shocking and provocative pictures are supposedly submitted by the women in the photos themselves. The women say they love to have fun, and this is a way to bond with other girls just like them. But are there unforeseen consequences to letting the public behold you at your worst? Dr. Phil speaks with women on both sides of this debate. Jasmine is the moderator for the group Thirty Reasons and says, although she’s responsible for taking down questionable photos, she hasn’t found one yet! Amanda and Norma are incensed that women would degrade themselves in this way. Hear from the president of a company who uses Web sites like Facebook and MySpace to weed out potential employees. Could documenting your good time on the Internet become your biggest regret? Then, a teen who loves to drink says criticism of Thirty Reasons just reinforces the double standard of gender inequality. What do Dr. Phil and the teen’s mother think? Plus, a mayor’s sexy photo has her town’s residents outraged. And, meet a substitute teacher who says he was unfairly fired from his job two times for what’s on his MySpace page. Share your thoughts here.

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January 15, 2008, 8:12 pm PST

Internet Mistakes

Dear Dr. Phil:

 

The attitude and actions of these "young" people goes FAR beyond the internet.  There simply are no standards or guidelines, rights or wrongs at all anymore.  Whatever they want to do is fine and their parents seems to have their heads completely in the sand.  Weren't these people ever told "NO!"?  Weren't they ever taught right from wrong?  Obviously not.  I think it is terribly frightening and scares the hell out of me for the future of our country.  I do not believe these are just a few kids involved in such activities; I think it is FAR more rampant than the authorities recognize.  Parents have abdicated all responsibility; they don't want to upset their children.  As my friends and I say very frequently, "Don't get us started!" 

 

The 17-year-old today (Amanda?) was arrogant and ignorant.  Who has allowed her to assume she knows all there is to know about everything at her age?  How did you stand it?

 

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January 15, 2008, 8:25 pm PST

They don't get the BIG picture

So sad to see the girls, Can't even watch the show.  Last week my wonderful Daughter-in law sister died just this way.  Her and her mother got drunk and went to bed. 5 hours later when someone went in to check on this beautiful 26 year old child she was dead.  Her death was such a wake up call to all that like to party and drink.  When I saw her 3 weeks before she had her whole life ahead of her.  She was to get married, had a great job.  who would have thought that drinking and falling asleep would cause such devastion to a life and to the ones left behind.  this is way more then just being stupid, it may be yours or your loved one life.
 
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January 15, 2008, 8:26 pm PST

01/15 Internet Mistakes

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What if!!!  What if you were in your explained situation with a friend and a video camera, however, the year was different and the internet was in full effect. Now lets say your friend took that video and posted it on her Facebook page. How would you feel if some pretentious woman, much like yourself had made a comment about your judgement? Don't make comments about how others appear to be, especially when you can site an example from your own life.

 

Those who live in glass houses!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The point of this show was that these girls are posting their own pictures of being drunk.  I am not pretentious and I never said I didn't have bed judegement. All I said was that these girls ages show their inexperience and why they would have "pride" in what they are doing. I was appalled.

How old are you?? If you can't realize that these girls "judgement" is compromised than you are just as ridiculous as they.

 
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January 15, 2008, 8:29 pm PST

Internet Mistakes

Right, wrong or indifferent, employers  hire individuals that will best exemplify their organization, perform at the highest level, and who will cause the least amount of financial risk. Should your personal life affect work? Probably not. However, it does, and unless you own your own company where you make your own rules, that will not change.  After working in human resources for 13 years, I can honesty say that your personal life and your work life will cross paths. When they do, you want it to be a positive experience.  If it'spositive, you increase your reputation positively and you also increase the likelihood that you will be rewarded with a higher salary and other benefits that come from performing your job well.  And by conducting yourself in a manner that fits the company culture. Does what you have posted on line affect this?  Absolutely, it's called "perception".  We all draw our own conclusions based upon facts and perception, and as someone who has been hiring and firing people for a long time, perception is reality.

 

As an HR Director, it is my job to protect the company's assets and avoid lawsuits and embarrasment for the company.  One of my contributions is to help staff the organization with people who will make the company profitable.  If I need to hire a new employee, I will use all resources possible, including Facebook and Myspace, to gather information. If I see photos of drunken behavior, male or female it makes no difference, I would exclude that person from consideration.  Can that person do the job? Probably.  However, my job is to find the best fit for that job.  Someone who could cause my company embarrasment if important clients (that ultimately pay your salary) see employees making asses out of themselves on line is not the best qualified to perform the job.  The right person has it all--education, skills, experience, professional demeanor, and cultural fit within the organization.  Getting drunk to the point of throwing up, male or female, does not fit within my company's culture at anytime.  Demeaning yourself in photos does not exemplify good judgement , and that won't work either. I look for someone who displays sound judgement because in the customer's eyes, that employee is "The Company".  That employee may be the only employee that customer ever has contact with, and the interaction has to be positive.  If you have drunken photos posted,does that mean you will make an ass of yourself when you're on a business trip representing the company?  Probably not, but I am not going to take a risk hiring someone who already shows proof that they cannot control their impulses. And I have no way to change anyone's perception of you if they do see you on-line, especially before an interview. with the company As for financial risk, for example, there are too many sexual harrassment lawsuits, discrimination lawsuits (and others, these are only two examples) and employers pay massive amounts of money to avoid lawsuits, public embarassment and other things that would cost the company their reputation or profits.  It's just too expensive to  hire people that may (may, not will) put the company in a potentially greater risk for a lawsuit.  The "average" harassment investigation could cost upwards of $100k before you ever enter a courtroom or offer a settlement.  Employers can't afford to take risks on people who may not fit the company's culture.  Is that right? No, but it is what it is. 

 

Before you jump all over me, I don't necessarily like all of the rules either, but for my paycheck - and it's not a bad one -- I will  make sure I am the "best fit" and represent the company appropriately, help protect the company's assets and help to assure that thecompany is still there tomorrow. I don' t do it for free, and I don't necessarily even agree that it's right. So,even if you don't believe your employer should be concerned with your non-work activities, I'm sorry, they are.  You don't necessarily have to compromise who you are to get  job, just manage the perception of who you are a little bit better.  I am not a conservative person but I work in a conservative company, For all of you who say you wouldn't work for a company that judged you on a photo of you hurling in a toilet, you may have to start your own business.  There's nothing wrong with making up your own rules,but you may not get to if you want a paycheck from someone else. A good one, that is, because it's tough to pay the bills otherwise.

 
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January 15, 2008, 8:30 pm PST

01/15 Internet Mistakes

I think this episode was a bit extreme...I mean posting drunk pics (I will say that the ones in that group were a little much), drinking every weekend (if you like to go out), and getting drunk every time you drink (aka binge drinking) are all very common activities for the young adult nowadays. The only thing that concerned me was that the girl was taking meds and drinking, and also that she had gone to the hospital for drinking before. Other then that, her behavior seemed normal to me...

I am a 21 year old senior at the University of California. My friends and I like to go out on the weekends and have a good time, but we also get stuff done (like going to school, work, etc.). I have facebook, and I set my account to private so no one can see it. I understand that really explicit pictures should not be posted, but I always post pics of me drinking and out at clubs/bars. I don't see it as a big deal, and I think employers are invading my personal life if they have to look at FB to research me! "Work hard, play hard." As long as I get my work done, it shouldn't matter how much I like to party on my own time!

Facebook has been around since I was at least a freshman in college, and posting drunk pics has been going on for awhile now. I couldn't believe how surprised people were to hear that girl say she drank every weekend!!! Who cares??? That's what kids do nowadays!!! I have been drinking since I was 15, and I am now attending a great college, have an internship, a research assistant position, and am graduating on-time with over a 3.5 GPA.

I think the real problem here is that the society has not yet adapted to the way young adults act. Yes, we've changed! Of course your kids will do things you never even heard of or did, but have you stopped and looked around at our CHANGING world??? Times change, whether you like the outcome or not! And if a 17 year old girl wants to drink and post pictures on FB she should be able to. It's really not that big of a deal. Get over it.....
 
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January 15, 2008, 8:32 pm PST

internet mistakes???

  I agree, to a point, that people should have better judgement when placing a profile online. However people have the right to be who they are without fear of rejection from work, family or friends. This is one reason why there are so many problems in America. People expect another to be just like them and have their same views and lifestyle. And yes, a young adult should have better judgement, but they can't for see consequences to poor judgements and that where parents are suppost to guide them. Young adults, children really, should not be held at the same standards as adults. Now I'm an adult, I'm in the working world, and thats when my actions and judgement needs to be evaluated. If I were topless on my profile, I'd expect to lose my job. If I were passed out next to a toilet, I'd expect to lose my job. But where does it stop?

 

Should a women not be able to work at a church because she had a child out of wed-lock?

 

Should a teacher get fired because they are over weight?

 

Should a doctor not be able to practice because they smoke?

 

Should a person not be hired because they live with someone they are not married to, straight or gay?

 

If we allow companies to discriminate for a small infraction, whose to say these things won't be next.

A persons personal life is all their own, and the only person they need to anwser to is themself. Who am I to judge someone for what they do on their time. With that being said, no, I don't want to see my daughters school teacher naked, doing drugs, or drunk. But I won't want her to lose her job if her profile said she is an athiest, or smoking, or having a beer/wine in hand, or has a child and not married, or living with someone and not married.

So again, when are employers going too far into a persons personal life and not the job performance?

Just because the one someone doesn't have the same views, habits, or lifestyle shouldn't give them the right to not hire or fire someone as long as it not breaking the law or grossly over the line according to what the job is. That would mean I couldn't hire Dr. Phil to council me on my marriage because he was once divorced. And didn't you just have a show about judgemental people?

 
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January 15, 2008, 8:46 pm PST

Why don't they understand?

Watching today's show made me want to get on and comment on this. I just can't understand why people think that they can do whatever they want and have no consequence to their actions. It's obviously not all people, but I see it a lot. I'm twenty-four myself. I've seen all this that goes on with folks in these generations. It seems like these people don't think about the future. They never stop to think "Hey! Maybe someday I'd like to run for President." I've always thought the same thing about all those girls who end up on those "Girls Gone Wild" videos. Yeah, those things don't matter if you're going to be a waitress somewhere. I do think that personal life should be taken in to account for your work. When you're applying for a job, they can do a background check on you they can google you, they can check up on your myspace. And if all they have to go on is a resume, a cover letter and a picture of you drunk that is the impression that has been given out. If you want to keep your personal life personal, keep it private. By posting all of that information out, you're like your own worst tabloid. You are what you put out there, and if you're going to put out in to the abyss of the internet that you have personal habits that could effect your work negatively, then yes that should be taken into account. Everyone's personal life effects there work because it establishes who you are. And if what you are is a drunken, puking party girl... I don't want to work with you.

 

I was a little disappointed how they kept bring the whole "whore" and "slut" thing into it. Yeah, they all look like morons drunk and passed out, but I don't think that had anything to do with promiscuity. If these young women want to be equal to men and they don't want to be called whores or sluts, they should consider not calling eachother such things. And that is separate from how they display themselves. They need to quit calling themselves that. Being ridiculously drunk does not make you a slut. Things you do while you're drunk could possibly - but that is different.

 

I'm just tired of hearing people - here and elsewhere - whine about the fact that they're suffering the consequences of what they publish about themselves - and yes, they are publishing it. It's the same as if someone published an expose and printed in the newspaper. I watch Dr. Phil every single night before bed (thank God for TiVo) and I've never posted anything online before - and normally I'm asleep by now, but the attitude of some of the people on this show saddened me. No one should be proud of drinking. If you do it within reason and not excessively you shouldn't be ashamed, but getting drunk to the point that you're poisioning your body so that you have to vomit it back up is not something to be proud of. If you're proud of that, there is someone you're trying to impress. And if your friends are impressed by that, you should get better more productive friends.

 

To the members of these generations who are participating in such activities - please learn to not need instant gratification, think about your future. Stop drinking so much and thowing up, and become a productive member of society instead of a spoiled brat. When I was 17, I couldn't drink every weekend - or even every weekend "something was going on" because I had a JOB. Please reach your potential.

 
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January 15, 2008, 8:47 pm PST

out of control

but thats what america has become , for a long time now ..1 big party..
 
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January 15, 2008, 8:53 pm PST

I understand what you are a saying, yet...

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  I agree, to a point, that people should have better judgement when placing a profile online. However people have the right to be who they are without fear of rejection from work, family or friends. This is one reason why there are so many problems in America. People expect another to be just like them and have their same views and lifestyle. And yes, a young adult should have better judgement, but they can't for see consequences to poor judgements and that where parents are suppost to guide them. Young adults, children really, should not be held at the same standards as adults. Now I'm an adult, I'm in the working world, and thats when my actions and judgement needs to be evaluated. If I were topless on my profile, I'd expect to lose my job. If I were passed out next to a toilet, I'd expect to lose my job. But where does it stop?

 

Should a women not be able to work at a church because she had a child out of wed-lock?

 

Should a teacher get fired because they are over weight?

 

Should a doctor not be able to practice because they smoke?

 

Should a person not be hired because they live with someone they are not married to, straight or gay?

 

If we allow companies to discriminate for a small infraction, whose to say these things won't be next.

A persons personal life is all their own, and the only person they need to anwser to is themself. Who am I to judge someone for what they do on their time. With that being said, no, I don't want to see my daughters school teacher naked, doing drugs, or drunk. But I won't want her to lose her job if her profile said she is an athiest, or smoking, or having a beer/wine in hand, or has a child and not married, or living with someone and not married.

So again, when are employers going too far into a persons personal life and not the job performance?

Just because the one someone doesn't have the same views, habits, or lifestyle shouldn't give them the right to not hire or fire someone as long as it not breaking the law or grossly over the line according to what the job is. That would mean I couldn't hire Dr. Phil to council me on my marriage because he was once divorced. And didn't you just have a show about judgemental people?

Please understand, it is the way of the world to judge others by their appearances, first of all...

 

You know the saying, "first appearance is long lasting."  Author unknown.

 

The ages of the guests that posted pictures of themselves in their most vulnerable positions, were still in their teens...

 

I know that Donald Trump would care what kind of pictures were on his interviewing line up; profiles...

 

Have you ever watched the Apprentice?  That would somehow show you how tough the job market is today...to get a good paying job, one must be exceptional and not the common or average.

 

Even being exceptional sometimes isn't enough...

 

So it is just merely the way that I see it, "how the world turns."  Dr. Phil nor the guest that was on the show a giving his views on the hiring /not consider and or firing line...have any control over this factual matter.

 

I totally agree that what a person does on their own time, is their own.  What one does or doesn't do on their own time, only becomes a problem when it is thrown out of behind closed doors...such as pictures of one in such a disgusting situation.

 

Were these girls my daughters, I would worry that some disgusting player would take advantage of girls that allow themselves to frequent these highly vulnerable situations.

 

For players aren't looking for commitment, only entertainment...so these pictures to me could be these dudes hunting grounds.*

 

I personally believe that Dr. Phil had this in mind when he decided to script this show.

 

I realize that this is only my thoughts and because we are all the creators of our own life show...take what you need and do please leave the rest.

 

We Are All Blessed

Love, Light and Peace

Tonie

 

 

 

 

 

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January 15, 2008, 8:58 pm PST

It's girls like this, that give the rest of us a bad name

Hello everyone!

I am a 31 year old mother of 2 small children. Although I was wild in my twenties with many "skeletons" in my closet. I do not agree with these women displaying this kind of behavior to be viewed by all. Like I said, I am no way perfect or close to it, I believe there are things we need to keep private. After all, who wants to look back and think, gee I wish I never did that! Kind of like that ugly tatoo you wished you never got. A bad choice! I wish kids could think of how life will be 10, 20 years down the road so all this crap wouldn't be out there! If it's this bad in 2008, how is it going to be in 2018? Just makes me wonder and worry for our babies.

 

Sincerely,

Kelli

 
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