Topic : 01/15 Internet Mistakes

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Girls dancing on bars half-naked, passed out on the beach, hugging the porcelain … these are photos posted for all to see on the Web site Facebook, in a group called Thirty Reasons a Girl Should Call it a Night. These shocking and provocative pictures are supposedly submitted by the women in the photos themselves. The women say they love to have fun, and this is a way to bond with other girls just like them. But are there unforeseen consequences to letting the public behold you at your worst? Dr. Phil speaks with women on both sides of this debate. Jasmine is the moderator for the group Thirty Reasons and says, although she’s responsible for taking down questionable photos, she hasn’t found one yet! Amanda and Norma are incensed that women would degrade themselves in this way. Hear from the president of a company who uses Web sites like Facebook and MySpace to weed out potential employees. Could documenting your good time on the Internet become your biggest regret? Then, a teen who loves to drink says criticism of Thirty Reasons just reinforces the double standard of gender inequality. What do Dr. Phil and the teen’s mother think? Plus, a mayor’s sexy photo has her town’s residents outraged. And, meet a substitute teacher who says he was unfairly fired from his job two times for what’s on his MySpace page. Share your thoughts here.

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January 22, 2008, 9:21 pm PST

01/15 Internet Mistakes

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I have a profile on both Myspace and Facebook.  Both places have a warning about posting inappropriate pictures and nudity whether it is in pictures or videos, however, with millions of people on both sites, it's very difficult to police.  That's why the sites also request its users to report such abuse.  It will then be investigated and the users and profiles removed and banned.  IT DOES WORK!  I've had to use it myself because of friend requests that were porn related.

 

The substitute teacher is wrong with  the postings that he has on Myspace.  If he is in a position of working with children no matter what the age, then he has to police his actions.  These kids will look up to him and see that he is advocating nudity and foul language in his music then this must be OK for them.  If he wants to do his music, I believe he can do it without the vulgarity or inappropriate videos and still have the same effect .  There are many artists out there who do and enjoy immense success.

 

 

The substitute teacher wanted to know why his private interests and pursuits affect his job?

 

They don't. 

 

Video recording and then posting them on Myspace or Facebook makes them public!  He turned his "private" pursuits "public" and promoting and he can no longer call them "private".

 
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January 22, 2008, 11:38 pm PST

Internet-public bad deeds

A little piece of advice ladies: make it private. Not everyone is worthy of seeing your drunken conquests online. Particularly not the president of your University, the principal of your school, your mom and dad, the neighborhood sex offender, your potential employer. They all like the internet too. Remember those 'Hi, Sara' commercials? They are too accurate. Each of these websites has a privacy setting. Use it.

 
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January 23, 2008, 8:14 pm PST

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I really think that the whole debate about the group "30 Reasons A Girl Should Call It A Night," is really silly. Personally, I belong to the group b/c I am at that age where my friends and I go out and party, but I wouldn't ever post any pictures of myself on there. However, if a girl chooses to post a picture of herself on there, I think that's her choice to be stupid and let everyone see her being a drunken idiot. As for Amanda and whatever the other girl's name was: Amanda talks about maturity, and yet she is continuing to argue with someone she's never even met via facebook. It's my personaly opinion that she should worry about herself and just forget about what's her name. As for what's her name (I'm sorry, I really can't remember the other girl's name), it sounds like she really does have a drinking problem. I knew kids in high school with drinking problems and as serios as it is for an adult, it seems even worse for a person of that age.
 
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January 24, 2008, 8:25 pm PST

Who is Being Harmed/Who Cares?

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By no means do I think these pictures are something to be proud of, but sometimes in this cruel world one needs to step back and look at things they have done and say gosh that was dumb and have a laugh.  I dont want to put pictures of myself on the internet, but i am a shy person. Other people, however are not and as long as no one is being harmed WHO CARES! I hope any future employers will take the word of my references and past employers and resume!! And not go digging around in my personal life for a reason not to hire me!! Now the whole Mary situation is something totally different. That poor girl needs to get help before she is killed in a car wreck, raped one night while she is drunk or any of the number of things that can happen to a young girl. She is so young and doesnt know the damage she is doing to her liver and the long term effects it will have on her body!! The Amanda girl really made me mad!! She should spend all this time and energy that she is using on this crap feeding starving children or workig in a soup kitchen!! I just dont see where she gets off budding in these peoples business?? She really needs to get a LIFE and stop worring about other peoples espeacially something so unimportant as pictures that people took!! If they bother her that bad then she has the right to NOT look at them!!!

You asked: Who is being harmed? 

College Students

There are cases where students have been expelled from their college residence hall or university after school administrators found pictures of students to engaging in activities that were against university policies or the law.  Photos can be used as evidence in discipline hearing.  I am a university administrator and my school has asked us not to look on Facebook for infractions.  But if a photo has been brought to an administrator’s attention, the administrator has an ethical and legal duty to act.  If someone has provided an administrator a photo they found on a website of a student engaged in risky behavior—like binge drinking, the administrator is advised to act upon the information by some form of intervention.   If not, the school may be sued for negligence if the student is eventually injured by continuing the behavior.  If a student is expelled, no refund is given for the time they were in enrolled in the school. Some universities cost as high as $40,000 a year and many students accummulate a hefty student loan debt just to attend college.

 

If a student has an underage drinking violation while in college it can stay on his academic record.  Underage drinking convictions or violations can bar a student from entering law or med school and can prevent them from studying abroad.  

 

Potential College Students

I do not know if admission officers look at Facebook or MySpace for more information about potential students.  Based on Mary’s presentation on the show, I would have doubts that a college admission officer would view Mary a potential prospect for their future Freshman class.  She may be a bright student with a high GPA and SAT score.  She have excellent references.  If a school knows that a student is engaging in binge underage drinking in high school, then that student becomes a liability to the campus community.  Campus administrators, police, and residence hall advisors are constantly battling the binge drinking culture on campus.  Colleges can manage the problem by refusing to admit students who already have a troubled history with alcohol.  Admissions officers may or may not look at these websites, but I would advise high school students not to risk their college careers for the thrill of posting a photo on the internet. 

 

Colleges and Universities

At one university athletes posted pictures of the team on Facebook engaged in hazing activities. The incident made national news and created a public relations nightmare for the school.  When the school’s reputation is damaged, alumni donations and endowments to the school decline.  With less money, funds are not available for scholarships, academic programs and research.  The publicity surrounding the scandal impacted the team and individual players. Player who were not involved in the hazing were personally demorallized and depressed.  This is a prime example how posting personal photo can have major consequences.

Read this article.

http://media.www.gwhatchet.com/media/storage/paper332/news/2007/01/29/News/Facebook.Big.Brother.Administrators.Coaches.Keep.Tabs.On.Students.Online.Activit-2682532.shtml

 

You asked: WHO CARES?

I care as a university administrator who wants to insure all my students have a chance to develop themselves to their highest potential as human beings.  I care because I want nothing to hinder their path towards their chosen graduate program, internship, or career.  I care because want to teach them about the consequences of their actions so they do not have to learn from their tragic mistakes.  

 

If parents are concerned about their child’s future and want them to thrive in college or in their job positions, they would care too.  Most involved parents teach their children that the behavior they present on the internet is open for public display with an audience of millions.   Young people need to know that interacting on the web requires a sense of personal and communal responsibilities. If we can teach that lesson now, we can provide them a life where they are judged by their good deeds and hard work, instead of one act of stupidity.

 

 

 
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February 1, 2008, 3:03 pm PST

Teens having babies

 What is wrong with these girls and guys having sex without birth control?  Most states will give free birth control even without parents consent.  There is no reason for unwanted, unplanned pregnancies in this country today.  NO REASON!!!!!!!!!!  What is wrong with parents today?  Talk, talk, talk to your children about SEX.  It is your job as parents to talk to your kids about everything, if you don't want to talk to them then you should not have had them in the first place.  There are so many people in this country that should never, ever have children.  But if you do, you need to be responsible for them and that is the problem.  There are great parents out there and they never get the recognition they deserve.  I think that every school in the country should have mandatory classes where every student takes home the controlled baby for two weeks and have to take care of it.  Start out with junior high kids, since they are having sex.  Maybe this will make them think twice about having sex.  The 19 year old on your show today is an idiot, I have no sympathy for her.  Having sex without birth control, stupid, stupid.  I guess I have vented enough, thanks for listening.
 
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February 10, 2008, 11:53 am PST

01/15 Internet Mistakes

 This whole thing made me laugh in so many ways. First of all the Face book page 30 reasons why a girl should call it quits the first 2 or 3 examples gave me enough inspiration to call it quits ahead of time. How funny it was to me that other girls could not get it. I am sure that they will in the future.

My other comment about this subject is that my high school year book embarrasses me. I have it hid way back in a closet and have never show-en it to my 22 year old kid. I also modeled for a photo for a hair cutting Solon when I was 9 or 10 and it is published in a news paper.  I won't be showing that photo anytime soon either. I think that photo's should sometimes embarrass you and should bring you back to where you came from. I don't think that everyone needs to go to extremes but some people have to in order to learn.

The whole photo thing will haunt you later and then you will have to get an attitude that says I am above that now. But till then live life, be young and grow up later. ( oh and no nudity, ok )

Melissa
 

 
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March 2, 2008, 6:53 am PST

Mistake or Misunderstanding

 The internet is something to be thought of as a big eye and a big ear and a big world.  You should only post personal information at no time in my opinion but unfortunately that can be a negative thing if you intend to use  the computer and internet for personal use and gain.  How can you give someone a first impression when you are intending to attract someone?, be nice to know who that someone was because there are someones from every sprectum of life who have the potential to either destroy or enhance your own personal life should that idividual with that intent choose, dangerous thing allowing everyone into your life.  Steps can be taken to put yourself into the best position to attain the goals you seek, step back though and  try to look at it from someone elses point of view, if you feel comfortable with what you are conveying to the world, shouldn't be anything wrong with that just be aware of the possibilities.

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March 12, 2008, 7:51 pm PDT

SHOCKED!

This story just aired in Australia (13.03.08) and I was shocked at the outrage people had over petty drunken photos. In no way do I try and sound disrespectful or rude, I am simply stating my own person opinion on the topic. It may just be the fact I live in Australia where getting drunk is just a given for most of the country despite how old you are or how young (to a certain extent... obviously). I have been getting drunk at supervised parties since I was sixteen in safe situations that are supervised and moderated. I feel that if teenagers (legal age here is 18) drink (which most of us are going to do) then they may as well drink in a safe and supervised place. Taking photos of this should not be degrading at all, if anything it will discourage the drinker to get that heavily intoxicated in the future. I have a myspace and I used to have a facebook and in both I have had pictures of me drunk with my mates because that is a part of my life. I don't want to sacrifice putting up photos I like that remind me of good times (birthdays, weddings etc.) simply because I could get 'lurked' on myspace by future employers. -lurk; semi, internet stalking. If my future boss was to see me drunk on myspace I would be happy because at least I would know that s/he is viewing one aspect of my life, be that my fun/party side or be that the side of me that likes to hang out with friends, socialise. At least they know I'm not some anti-social psychopath. I guess what this debate may come down to is that within the Australian culture it is more acceptable to get drunk younger and more publically than within the US. Like I said before, it is not my intention to offend or look down upon the opinions and culture of others, so if it appears as if I am doing that I do apologise. And finally if I may, I want to talk about 'Ian' the substitute teacher with a myspace page. Like Dr. Phil said, there is nothing wrong with you expressing yourself via music, and there is nothing wrong with the conservative values of the particular school that fired you, it's just that both cannot work together. Ian, if you ever read this I would just like you to know that I think you should NEVER stop doing what you like to do, be that teaching and uploading your own personal music to a web page. America is a free country where people should be encouraged to achieve their goals and life ambitions! I say good luck to you and your music and teaching career. Students in middle school are a lot smarter than parents want to believe- I can, without a doubt in my mind tell you that each and every one of those kids who looked at Ian's myspace had heard the "F" word before. That is why I am shocked to hear he was fired for that. How are kids meant to grow up and be strong enough to face the world's prejudice and discrimination if they are taught that chasing your dreams and doing what you like to do is wrong, and they in fact might get punished for it. I will end on this; Stand up for yourself, live your life the way you want to live it and be happy with everything you achieve despite how small or great.

 

Paul. 18. Australia 

 
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March 25, 2008, 9:16 pm PDT

Posting your future?

I watched Dr Phil, surprised to see that this episode addressed concerns regarding FaceBook and MySpace which is what I am currently studying this semester. So, in posting my thoughts i am linking study with a current and topical issue.

After watching the three sinarios on Mary, Ian and The mayor of Arlington, Oregon only one word really came to mind COMMON SENSE!

I listened to both views of the critics, creators (forums) and culprits of the stories and tended to agree and diasagree with all of them on some level.

The undeniable fact that we must accept is that, like or not, we live in an 'information world.'  With this has to come acceptance, flexibility, change, security and maturity. So, before CHOOSING to place yourself deeper into the cyberworld by setting up a FaceBook or MySpace page think firstly about your purpose for getting involved as well as understanding your security options and acknowledging that you are offering potentially EVERYONE information on your personal, social, creative or professional self.

 

I'll offer my opinion on Senerio 1 only : 17 year old, Mary.

 

Mary is young and binge drinking could be considered 'normal' behaviour for someone her age however it has also become a social concern, certainly in Australia, which is currently considering increasing the drinking age from 18 to 21 years, matching our American counterparts.  At Mary's age, drinking is a popular social bond, it's cool, daring, fun and NEW to them. Also, new to them is FaceBook or MySpace, which is also another avenue for social bonding, so logically they link the two, posting their social behaviour on the web.  As i mentioned before about what should be understood about the 'information world' is the need for MATURITY. This is what Mary hasn't yet understood or developed.... BUT,  hopefully since the DR Phil show she may think twice about her involvement with the forum " 30 reasons why a girl should call it a night."  Whether or not this behaviour is popular, 'normal'  and amusing to her, she needs to use COMMON SENSE and not post drunken photos on your site which are concerning. On the contrary to this statement, both  FLEXIBILTY AND ACCEPTANCE needs to be understood when some photos are posted. It should be acceptable to include social photos on your site using your DECRETION. Anyway, who wants an album with only  family portraits and family holidays. LIke many of us, Mary need to identify which photos are cyber safe friendly and which ones are not. I don't believe there is too much of a fine line involved, it should be relatively obvious to most. Lets look at the 3 senario's using COMMONSENSE.

 

Senario 1:  Includes you with one or two beers in one or both hands smiling and looking a little happy.

Not so cool, would be flashing yourself while holding one or two beer and looking happy. (if this is possible)

 

Senario 2: a group of friends looking a little drunk singing karoke together

Not so cool, would be a photo of your friends singing karoke while you are pashing the bar man.

 

Senario 3: Your friend is hugging you while you are about to have a shot of Tequila

Not so cool, Your friend is hugging the toilet bowl while you holding her hair back.

 

Pretty logical right!? Use your COMMON SENSE, YES we are all human and posting photos of our social life deserves to be kept separate from our professional life HOWEVER,  the potenial for them to interlink at at some point, in our favour or against is something to keep in mind before POSTING YOUR FUTURE.

 

Nataliex

 
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April 4, 2008, 3:22 am PDT

stupid

I'm 17 years old my self, and when I saw the program about the girl at my age that put out pictures of herself drunk and all that stuff, i got suprised.! I can say that I have pictures of myself at the internet, but I would never put pictures on the internet where I were drunk, or allmost naked, like that girl had.. It's many people out in the world that can find you. And that can be very dangerous. Now in these technology-days, people can find out were you live, just by go on the internet, so I would be very careful...
 

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