Topic : 01/15 Internet Mistakes

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Created on : Friday, January 11, 2008, 01:03:06 pm
Author : DrPhilBoard1
Girls dancing on bars half-naked, passed out on the beach, hugging the porcelain … these are photos posted for all to see on the Web site Facebook, in a group called Thirty Reasons a Girl Should Call it a Night. These shocking and provocative pictures are supposedly submitted by the women in the photos themselves. The women say they love to have fun, and this is a way to bond with other girls just like them. But are there unforeseen consequences to letting the public behold you at your worst? Dr. Phil speaks with women on both sides of this debate. Jasmine is the moderator for the group Thirty Reasons and says, although she’s responsible for taking down questionable photos, she hasn’t found one yet! Amanda and Norma are incensed that women would degrade themselves in this way. Hear from the president of a company who uses Web sites like Facebook and MySpace to weed out potential employees. Could documenting your good time on the Internet become your biggest regret? Then, a teen who loves to drink says criticism of Thirty Reasons just reinforces the double standard of gender inequality. What do Dr. Phil and the teen’s mother think? Plus, a mayor’s sexy photo has her town’s residents outraged. And, meet a substitute teacher who says he was unfairly fired from his job two times for what’s on his MySpace page. Share your thoughts here.

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January 15, 2008, 6:18 pm PST

More for me!

I am a member of Facebook and love it. I have checked out the '30 Reasons Girls Should Call It a Night' Group after being invited to it by a couple of friends of mine. The reason my friends and I have viewed the pictures on this group site are to find humour in the pictures! For us, seeing the stupid things these girls are doing is hilarious! We click through the pages thinking "holy crap I can't believe you got so 'loser-pissed' as to have this happen to you!". Although we think it's funny to see these pictures, we would not think it would be funny to be a part of them. It's degrading and there are people out there laughing at you.

 

As far as future employers, college recruiters, etc. seeing these pictures and making choices not to hire/admit these women because of their immature behaviour, I say Good! The more jobs and college placements available for the mature, responsible, deserving women in North America.

 
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January 15, 2008, 6:21 pm PST

I understand your point

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Part of the things people look at when they are trying to find employees are character, personality...and not just past job performance. When you work for a company, at least in some capacity, you are a representative of that specific company. I'm sure most employers would not want somebody who takes illegal drugs into their system to be a representative of their company. It makes their entire company look bad, especially if they have been proven to take a blind eye towards illegal-drug users who work for them. It is also ridiculous to compare taking illegal drugs into your body and, say, going 5 or so miles over the speed limit. If you, as an employer, hear one of your workers speaking of having sexual intercourse with his wife on the job, then of course you should take appropriate action, whether that be to warn him not to use that language or whatever. However, this all depends on your standards and your company's standards. Perhaps you work at an adult sex toy shop? Then it might be appropriate, in your view, to have such discussions among employees, etc. But most stand-up and respectable work places will not approve of such discussions in the context of on-the-job communications, nor do I believe they should. Perhaps a sensitive customer over-heard such discussions and decided not to shop at that place anymore? That's at least one lost customer because of the foul speech of an employee who is supposed to be representing his or her company.
Please understand mine.  I agree, most employers would not want  representatives taking illegal drugs.  My point was that if I got stoned on a Friday, when I went back to work on Monday, who would know?  It would be out of my system, no one would know.  If it doesn't affect my job and no one knows, what harm is there?  A urine test can pick up pot from 30 days ago.  How does what I did even 10 days ago affect how I perform my job today?  Again, I no longer smoke it, just playing devil's advocate if you will.  Next, I stated it was a stretch between illegal drugs and speeding.  My point was if you use as a reason to fire someone that they did something illegal, you have to mean ALL things illegal; you can't pick and choose.
 
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January 15, 2008, 6:26 pm PST

"Public" schools

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I think maybe there is a misunderstanding of how "public" schools were set up to operate?  They ARE publicly funded but they are to be run by local school boards who are elected by the adult residents in the district.  The school boards are a representation of the people who elected them and hold a public trust to do what they believe the majority feel is right in the handling of the education of their children.  The boards hire the superintendent who is answerable to them in running the schools the way the LOCAL public see fit.  The tolerance of what is allowable from district to district may vary.  If Ian were afflicted with a handicap or had a physical characteristic that was used against him in a discriminatory manner, that is one thing.  I believe that much of today's show, including Ian, fall under something that is bothersome to me.  That some people seem to believe that EVERYBODY has to be accepting of standards that are contrary to their beliefs just because they "have the right to be expressive" or whatever.  Schools and businesses have the right to have "standards" that they use in order to employ and retain the kind of personnel that they want.  I think that it is odd that Ian felt he should have been "warned" instead of fired the SECOND time that he had the self-composed song with the "f" bomb in it on his site.  Once, shame on them (maybe).... TWICE...shame on HIM! I mean, he may have thought that it was okay because he didn't give out the URL of his webpage to a student the second time, but from experience of watching teenagers and the internet, once somebody they know comes up with a controversial or provocative (thought or otherwise) website, kids will continue to flock to it like flies to honey....or something.  By the way... I know  a teacher who does some things in PRIVATE that are totally ignored because they're private..... but who made the mistake of doing something illegal that was still done on personal time but made the local paper and internet.  Was called on the carpet and warned severely for it.  I'm not in favor of discrimination or radical actions towards people whose beliefs are not mainstream but I do understand the desire to choose to limit the exposure that children, including impressionable teenagers, would have from a person whose behavior you would consider unacceptable by the local standards.

The funding and supervision of public schools is largely local -- but the First Amendment to the US Constitution still applies.  Were it not so, local police forces could logically ignore the Fourth Amendment prohibition of illegal searches and seizures. 

 

And I was only discussing protected speech and religious practice, NOT illegal activities of any stripe.

 
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January 15, 2008, 6:34 pm PST

Posting on the net

Okay can someone explain to me why other people believe its private to post on a public forum? Or why they think it should be thought as there personal lives? If you just got out of a job interview, and it was Friday night and you go to your local bar, get wasted and a make an ass out of yourself. And the whole time your future boss was there watching it, You may not get that call back. If its done it public its not that private. And posting on a public forum means its not private anymore. Its not like that naughty tape you and your boyfriend made and no one else has ever seen it, thats private and very personal. But if you are a idiot and post it for the world to see, don't be shocked when your judged for that.

 

I have both myspace and facebook. They are both set to private as well, you have to actually be on my list of friends to see any of my photos, I do that cause I have a ton of photos of my son doing silly things, and I don't really want anyone to just seem them. I one time with a girl friend got waste and we thought we were so sexy and we got the camera out. When i loaded up the photos the next day, and laughed with my friend about it, we hit the delete button and they were never viewed again. It was so far from sexy, it was just sad. never a good idea to have a video camera or a digital camera around when your wasted.

 
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January 15, 2008, 6:38 pm PST

01/15 Internet Mistakes

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 I cannot imagine what is going through those girls' heads when they post pictures of themselves passed out or throwing up.  Why does everyone seem to think that "self-expression" means "self-humiliation"?  Write a poem, learn to play the guitar, paint . . . do something productive, if you want to express yourselves!  Hugging the porcelain isn't expressing yourself--when you're that drunk you're completely vulnerable and the only "personality" you have is the alcohol.  There isn't even a "yourself" to express.

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On the other hand, I disagree that the teacher should have been fired for his music.  I agree that he should not have been promoting his band at school, even to one select student, but I think it's ridiculous and completely biased that employers seem to feel they can not hire (or fire) anyone who doesn't fit every last point on their "ideal employee" list, even in areas that do not come up in their professional settings.  Who defines "edgy music", anyway?  I think Christian rock is pushing the limits of taste but I suspect that the blues, rockabilly, and roots country I listen to at home would be more likely to get someone fired (alcohol and drug references). 

I play and listen to a lot of music of which my straight-laced employer would not approve.  However, I do not play it at work (I am allowed to play music on my office computer, but I carefully select songs with no swearing and that do not have controversial lyrics, are not noisy or really twangy, etc.).  I am careful about my demeanor and language, and I dress conservatively.  I rarely stay out late on work nights and I never allow club time to interfere with work by showing up late the next morning, etc.  (I rarely drink, and never more than one drink, which helps a lot.)  I have never been reprimanded at work, at any of my jobs, and have always gotten good reviews.  My boss does not need to know about tattoos, etc.; nobody at work knows about them and they will never see them.

My boss and my job own me 40 hours a week; they should not get to dictate what I listen to or what I look like in my private life.  I don't humiliate myself, and I don't go around blabbing that I work for so-and-so in settings with which my boss might not want to be associated (and I never say specifically for whom I work unless there is good reason to, which is usually only in professional circumstances).  I do have a MySpace page.  There is nothing on it that I would consider particularly compromising (no pictures of me in my underwear).  It is not under my real name and my hometown, alma mater, and employer are not listed on it.  I mostly go there to keep track of the bands.  I occasionally post a somewhat irreverent blog entry and some of the bands on my Friends list are pretty raw.

On the other hand--do employers ever find out anything GOOD by accident?  Because if they could overlook the psychobilly bands on the Friends list, they would find out that I'm a very good photographer and that I'm great at Internet research.  All we ever hear about is the bad stuff.

If employers actually want to find creative people who think (I hate this cliché) “outside the box,” they need to let their hair down and stop approaching applicants with the proverbial stick up their rear end. 

 

There’s so much mediocrity in corporate communications these days.  They all sound as if they were written by the same person.  I attribute this to the Business Communications Standards, they implement, and the limited thinking of HR Directors. 

 

Even in corporations, tests are given to see a person’s mindset, often before hiring.  They’ve classified the different types: visionary, analyst, etc.  This has defined what is creative and what is not and the minds doing this are not always the most creative.  If employers would look at creativity on the internet, instead of lifestyle, they might find employees that sent their company profits soaring to new dimensions.  Advertising would stand out.  Communications would reflect personality.  The “need”  to be associated with these corporations might skyrocket.

 

It’s this type of limited thinking that has America spiraling down to third world status, while companies like Bechtel gain the powerhouse minds that generate profits.  What will my employer look at next?  A list with all my subscriptions for magazines, maybe?  Possibly my credit card purchases?  This is nothing more than fascism. 

 
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January 15, 2008, 6:39 pm PST

What you do now DOES Matter

  Do these girls want to go to college, get a job.

  Colleges and companies, in todays world,  check.

  You are goggled and face booked. Who would want to hire the drunk girl. Not Me.

   Why would you make a choice at 17 to reunion your life, the only thing you are doing is destroying your future.

  I feel sorry for her, no self esteem, she might get noticed on facebook, but only by those who will do her wrong.

 
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January 15, 2008, 6:44 pm PST

WoW.....

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WOW, I dont know how old Amanda is but I wish I had a friend like her when I was young. what a force to recon with , great advice! Amanda is mature smart and everything I would want in a daughter a friend or employee. You should be very proud of yourself for taking time out to help these lost immature females. They WILL regret it latter, I promise! I am so GLAD to see a young woman with her head on as straight as you, GOD BLESS YOU AMANDA!

Ok first of all I'd like to say as a "disclaimer" per say...I don't endorse or encourage this behavior. I myself wouldn't ever even think of putting pictures, quotes, or stories etc. that I wouldn't want the whole world to see on a public forum. I am only 18 years old and I understand the consequences of these actions and how they may affect me in the future. However, I do have a problem with self-righteous women judging other girls for what they decide to do. I don't necessarily morally agree with what these women are deciding to post but, I'm not going to go on national television and fight with them about it. It's their morals vs. mine....in a situation like that no one can win. So yeah, it may be undignified, but I found myself almost yelling at the television WHY DO YOU CARE?!?! If you don't agree with it don't do it; if you don’t like the pictures don’t look at them. Then she almost seemed like she was trying to "save" these girls from their own moral downward spiral. Give me a break! If you really care about women degrading themselves why don't you go walk down the streets of NYC and talk to all the female prostitutes. Correct me if I'm wrong but I see that as being a much larger problem then girls with their shirts up on the internet.

 
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January 15, 2008, 6:46 pm PST

Surprised Myself

Hopefully it is not because I am getting older, but, when I first signed on to the message boards I jusr happened to read a couple of responses from people who seemed to be OK with the website and that also seemed to be promoting the "What one does at Home is their business,: attitude.  This is where I surpprised myself. As a member of the "Woodstock Generation" I couldn't possibly be disagreeing with this, could I?

 

Well, I am, not because I do not believe that what people  do in their personal life should not effect them at work. I do believe it, I just have gained enough experience to know that it can effect them, know more than ever.. Unless someone feels so strong about this that they are willing to risk their future for a borderline case at best, they had better wake up and realize the potential sacrifice they are making for the cause.

 

I do not thinjk the substitue teacher should necesarily have been fired. I believe it could have been handled better. The reason I feel this way is because he certainly has the argument that the use of a 4 letter word, and the use of a moment of nudity was in the name of his art. It certainly is within his first ammendment rights.

 

Now, I know I said I was surprised to find myself moving (God Forgive) to the right on this issue so let me explain. I have become this way because for better or worse people are going to live under the scrutiny of the internet and what it may bring to bare. (No Pun Intended).

 

The woman who represented this "Facebook" website certainly did not come prepared. I could have presented a better justification by simply saying that it is and was meant to be nothing more than a "Shock-Jock" website, meant to make money and following in the footsteps of the Howard Stern's of the world and even more so , "Girl's Gone Wiild.". I would still not be in favor of someone I know putting themselves on it but it would at least come across more sincere than the responses we heard. Attempting to justify underage drinking and promoting alcoholism and the resultant horrific behavior is, crossing a line that I can find no moral, social, or political statements resulting from it. At least we felt that some of our outragous behavior came along with a true attempt at making a difference, and we did. We did not win the war but we definetly won some battles along the way. Our youth let us combine our enthusiasm that unfortunately led too many of us to alcoholism and drug addict ion and many of us paid the price for that part of our behavior.

I do hope that someone, comes to the rescue of the 17 year old,and I hope they come soon and fast. That she can openly state pride in getting drunk, getting arrested, (and we all know rthat she drinks most likely not only every weekend but I suspect some weeknights) in front of her mother, a studio audience, and a national TV audience, does not take a Dr Phil to know she needs help NOW! I was floored that the mother could sit there and be seemingly not that much more concerned, than if she had a daughter who was coming home late on a weekend date. I realize it may be hard to express oneself in this setting, but even so, I would find it impossible not to break down, if I learned that my daughter started drinking at 13, and became a regular at 15! She needs a plan now and obviously her mother is not capable of handling the situation herself. I do not mean for this to sound demeaning at all. It is hard for people who have had no experience with this kind of problem, and I am sure that a loving and caring mother can talk herself into believing that even this maybe some kind of fad. Please let her know that its not. Its downhill from here and there are not too many ways back up.

 

Just to end on the fight between the facebook woman and her adversary, an email war has no place to go but lead to name calling, and after 2 or 3 emails what else is left to say, but a littany of verbage that will ultimately end up as ugly as the pictures on Facebook to begin with. I haven't visited the site nor do I intend on, but please do not try to tell anybody that this is some kind of forum for furthering the cause of feminism.  I am quite sure that the most ardent feminists can't wait until the site has posted its last pix.

 
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January 15, 2008, 6:49 pm PST

Our postmdernistic society is not working out too well for our kids.

Watching this show really did not surprise me. I have worked with teens for over 11 years now in our local town. The 17 year olds' responses to Dr. Phil were pretty commen from teens that age and younger.  I have heard the same response from the kids I have talked to about making better decisions in life.
Our society has moved into a world of where anything goes, nothing we do is wrong (it's just someone's opinion) and no one can hold us accountable. Without any clear lines and no accountability, we can only expect our young people to "shoot" so low with their lives. Postmodernism is dangerous! Chuck Colson the aide to President Nixon has spoke out about this subject is his movie Relunctant Prophet.  It scares me sometimes to see and understand the things Colson has said about our society coming to fruit!
It's important that we as parents have clear boundaries with our children and hold them accountable to a higher standard than what is expected by society. The biggest questions to ask our kids is why are they doing what they are doing. We do things for a reason.  Maybe not always for the right reasons, but there is a reason.  Are we communicating with our children effectly to find out why and see what we can do to change that? I have to ask that question. Too many kids do not communicate with their parents very well or sometimes not at all. Are we holding our kids accountable for poor decisions? Hank Aaron wrote about his upbringing in Alabama as a young person.  He remembers how, if he did something wrong, one of the neighbors would bust him and then take him to his parents to get busted again. He thought twice before he did something. He also realized that someone loved him enough to discipline him and hold him accountable. Discipling your child these days can result in going to jail.  Society has changed and I am afraid it's not for the better in repsect to our youth surviving this world.
Bring your kid up in an environment where it is not ok to sleep with someone before they get married and maybe they might follow your example (if you give them something worth following). Kids model adults. So what models or role models are we giving them? Paris Hilton in not a role model to glorify. Yet, our media seems to do that. If we would get this across to our kids, Judge Judy and the like would have half the work load in our courts! Teach your kids that if you act like an out of control idiot while drinking and taking pcitures is wrong (and why it's wrong) and maybe they will be a little less likely to do it. Maybe they won't jeopardize their future careers and marriages to less than favorable ends. They might just get that amazing job or spouse that very few people have and want! The internet has opened up a whole new can of worms for us as a society.  We as parents are a little behind the learning curve of dealing with it effectly. There are far too many people out there who would love to exploit our young people and older people as well.  We have to be smarter about we conduct ourselves in this new world.
 
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January 15, 2008, 6:54 pm PST

01/15 Internet Mistakes

 The girls are stupid...we know this . Amanda, I know you are reading this: you made YOURSELF look stupid- you had it in the bag- articulate, concise and then you HAD to go there- that TOTALLy nullified your statement.You looked EXACTLY like the idiot child who you  were trying to "tear apart"- please.

As for the teacher- Im a teacher- what kind of IDIOT posts that kind of thing??? He has to know that it would be found out- Im sorry...before the internet, Im sure there were tons of key swapping, wife swapping crazy kinds of things going on...but to sit there on the show...looking like a total stoned out jackass- bad brother....very bad.
 

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