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Topic : 05/30 "Butt Out!"

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Created on : Friday, January 11, 2008, 01:07:38 pm
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(Original Air Date 01/18/08) Do you have someone in your life who’s so annoying and frustrating that you just want him or her to go away? What do you do when that person is your ex and the parent of your children? Todd says his ex-wife, Nicholle, needs to butt out of his life, even though they share custody of their two daughters. He says he’s tired of her showing up unannounced, so she can be with the girls when it isn’t her time. Nicholle says Todd and his new wife, Michelle, fail to keep her informed about the girls -- like the time their little girl was in the emergency room. Both parents agree that the girls feel upset every time they have to go to their dad’s house. Cameras capture a typical custody exchange. What is the cause of the chaos? Dr. Phil points out the mistakes these divorced parents are making as he tries to get to the bottom of the threats and name-calling. Can these co-parents learn how to get along with each other for the sake of the kids? Then, meet a mother who hates her son-in-law so much, she refuses to have a relationship with her own daughter unless she divorces him. They face off for the first time in three years. Talk about the show here.

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January 21, 2008, 12:56 am PST

can we talk about car seats?

The video in the car just makes me ill to watch!  Those girls had the shoulder strap behind their backs.  That is SOOOOOO dangerous.  Why is it that no one uses the seat belts correctly or see that it's even a problem.

 

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January 21, 2008, 2:14 am PST

Wheres the help???

This message has nothing to do with todays subject - This is my first time on the message boards as I don't know where to go with my concerns.

My friend Amberlee and I were just talking about the situation with Britney Spears - We are both 21 years old and can not understand where all her support has gone. When Britney and Kevin first got together everyone thought he was the biggest mistake of her life and what do you know - he was.

No one seems to care about Britneys state of mind.

I have personally had my fair share of a hard time, I have lost twin baby girls and my son to premature labour, which to anyone whos been through this knows how hard it can be, but with all the love and support I have had around me I have been able to move on and have learnt this experience will never go away and my babies will never be forgotten but I know my life can go on - me becoming a whole new person with a new outlook on the way the world works.

My point is WHERE THE HELL IS BRITNEYS SUPPORT???

Why does no one care???

I am watching her from the other side of the world self destruct and absolutly no one seems to care.

Where were her parents when she was commited to the hospital for a mental evaluation, yes she seemed fine but  people with mental health problems have good days and they have bad days 33hours is not long enough to evaluate the state of her well being.

If I could be there to lock Britney in her house away from everyone all the paparazzi all the critisizem and all the people who just seem to be pushing her to her limits, I would do it so she can learn to love herself again, Not as a celebrity but as a person.

Look what happened to Anna Nicole? This was a tragic story but no one seemed to care until it was too late and then everyone feels bad for not helping saying its soo sad. Well I can see the same thing happening to Britney, but no one is going to stand up and put a stop to it all until its too late.

this world should be bound together in the tough times but all I can see from this side of the world is a young lady with severe post natal depression who is screaming out for someone to take controll and put their foot down.

This is what my family did they made me move home, packed up all my stuff and told me I wasn't allowed to be on my own.

We talked about everything and just stayed at home and didn't have much of a life then finally when I was ready I went back out into the world and now I am successful in my job and social life.

There is too much scrutiny on Britney, you try living and raising a family with over 80 paparazzi in your face blocking the road and putting your children in danger.

I would like to see one other person put under that kind of pressure for 5 - 10 years + and see how they cope.

SOME ONE NEEDS TO STEP UP AND TAKE CONTROLL. WHERE ARE ALL HER FRIENDS????

 

 

 
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January 21, 2008, 6:54 am PST

A Step-Mom's View

My name is Angie and I have 2 wonderful step children ages 6 and 12.  My husband and his ex do not get along at all.  They never fight infront of the kids cause they never talk.  We have 50/50 custody and the ex calls me to go over everything with the kids.  So far sounds pretty good huh?  The problem is the 6 year old is a mommy's girl, always has been.  When the ex drops off the 6 year to us she is always in tears.  The ex always uses the " I will see you in x amount of days", which I feel is not right.   I feel the 6 year old is looking for mom's attention and she knows she gets it if she cries.  As soon as mom leaves we have a happy 6 year old.  It just breaks my heart to see her cry when she's dropped off to us.  I've tried telling the ex to try different things to make it easier for her but the ex (in my opinion) likes to see the 6 year old cry for her.  The kids never ask to call their mother during the 7 days we have them and they never cry for her either during the 7 days.  The ex also has told me that the 6 year old cries the night before coming to our house.  I truly believe it's an attention thing, I really do.  Apparent;y the 6 year old also cried at bedtime at her mom's cause her mother was going to be home late the next day.  After hearing that, I really believe it's all attention.  I know the ex is extremely jealous of what my husband and I have but that's normal correct?  Being a step parent is hard but I do the best I can.  I love those children as if they were my own.  I have no children of my own so this has been an eye opener.  Any suggestions or comments on the crying when mom drops off the 6 year old?
 
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January 21, 2008, 9:29 am PST

Welcome Luanna

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This message has nothing to do with todays subject - This is my first time on the message boards as I don't know where to go with my concerns.

My friend Amberlee and I were just talking about the situation with Britney Spears - We are both 21 years old and can not understand where all her support has gone. When Britney and Kevin first got together everyone thought he was the biggest mistake of her life and what do you know - he was.

No one seems to care about Britneys state of mind.

I have personally had my fair share of a hard time, I have lost twin baby girls and my son to premature labour, which to anyone whos been through this knows how hard it can be, but with all the love and support I have had around me I have been able to move on and have learnt this experience will never go away and my babies will never be forgotten but I know my life can go on - me becoming a whole new person with a new outlook on the way the world works.

My point is WHERE THE HELL IS BRITNEYS SUPPORT???

Why does no one care???

I am watching her from the other side of the world self destruct and absolutly no one seems to care.

Where were her parents when she was commited to the hospital for a mental evaluation, yes she seemed fine but  people with mental health problems have good days and they have bad days 33hours is not long enough to evaluate the state of her well being.

If I could be there to lock Britney in her house away from everyone all the paparazzi all the critisizem and all the people who just seem to be pushing her to her limits, I would do it so she can learn to love herself again, Not as a celebrity but as a person.

Look what happened to Anna Nicole? This was a tragic story but no one seemed to care until it was too late and then everyone feels bad for not helping saying its soo sad. Well I can see the same thing happening to Britney, but no one is going to stand up and put a stop to it all until its too late.

this world should be bound together in the tough times but all I can see from this side of the world is a young lady with severe post natal depression who is screaming out for someone to take controll and put their foot down.

This is what my family did they made me move home, packed up all my stuff and told me I wasn't allowed to be on my own.

We talked about everything and just stayed at home and didn't have much of a life then finally when I was ready I went back out into the world and now I am successful in my job and social life.

There is too much scrutiny on Britney, you try living and raising a family with over 80 paparazzi in your face blocking the road and putting your children in danger.

I would like to see one other person put under that kind of pressure for 5 - 10 years + and see how they cope.

SOME ONE NEEDS TO STEP UP AND TAKE CONTROLL. WHERE ARE ALL HER FRIENDS????

 

 

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PS I agree with your opinion on Britney-- I hope she gets help.  Right now she is shunning all those who want to help her and embracing all those on board for her wild ride!

 
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January 21, 2008, 9:36 am PST

Give Dr. Phil Credit

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Dr Phil, if you were so there for just the children and looking after THEM, then why wasn't something said about the two little girls saying they didn't like to go to their dad's house? This would really concern me if I was their mom I wouldn't want them to go either after them telling me something like that. And of course the "OTHER" woman is going to take up for him saying she's never saw that. HA!

 

You were entirely too mouthly to the REAL mother. I think you needed to back off. That is HER children! They are her LIFE!

 

When my son goes to stay with my ex's mom at night I call him every time even if I have saw him that day to tell him good night and I Love Him because thats what a GOOD mother does!!!

Dr. Phil has been in his profession a few years.  Psychologists know how to phrase questions to children that are not leading questions.  Children want to please the adult that they are speaking with.  They intuitively know what answer makes the questioner happy.  The mother was clearly asking leading questions for the benefit of the camera in the car.  When asked "Does daddy hit you with a spoon?" one of the girls said,  "No he uses his hand."  When that was met with silence she added, "and a belt."  I could see through that so I imagine that Dr. Phil could too.

 
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January 21, 2008, 11:01 am PST

I would like to be in touch with Nicole!

This message is for Nicole.  When I watched your situation, it was like I was watching myself and my x on TV.  I can completely sympathize with your situation.  I have an x that is so insecure about his relationship with his children that when he has them for his week, he would like for me to have no contact with them.  Our x's are similar, in that they are very controling and do not respect our roles as our children's mother's.  My x also has a sugnificant other, who cannot have children, so she tries to take over.  She even went to the extent to pose as me to have my daughter evaluated for a local swim club!  These men need to stop the controlling behavior and listen to the kids.  It is about them now!  I would really like the chance to connect with you to chat once in a while.  All my best to you!

 

 
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January 21, 2008, 11:30 am PST

DIVORCE CHAOS

 

This show so hit home for me.. Although our circumstances are different.  20 years and 5 children later our Marriage was in shambles.   For the past 5 years I thought we were doing our due diligence on saving/or ending our marriage..now It seemed it was a revolving door of chaos.   How do you co-parent when your dealing with domestic violence, protective orders, suicide attempts, harrassment, threats, emotionally abusive ex's, Supervised visitation, control issues.   My husband ( soon to be ex ) is living with another woman who is now living with what we lived.. Domestic violence, co-dependency etc.  I FOUGHT my way to supervised visitation to protect my children, now they are starving for ANYTHING from him. There are NO phone calls, No e-mails, NO visits, NO support.   He CLAIMS he loves them,  but then behaves this way.  Is it better for them that he be TOTALLY out of the picture?  I know NOTHING less than supervised visits is the only way to go, but of course he thinks it's a crock!  The price my children have paid is HIGH.. I wish it could be different.. I just want what's best for my children.. I want them to feel LOVED.. feel IMPORTANT I want them to have a relationship with a emotionally healthy available father.

 
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January 21, 2008, 12:01 pm PST

I am at wits end....

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I don't understand any of this.  Granted after being married, you may realize that you made a mistake, however, you did think enough about the person to marry them in the first place.  If you have children, you are suppose to put your children first.  To cause conflict and not get along, is putting more on your children.  Get out of your way, and think of the children.  Also if you thought enough about marrying the person, they couldn't have been that bad to begin with.
I would love it my husbands ex wife, could focus on the need of the son. Not how to get even with my husband, or how to win a situation. It has caused so much pain, not only for thier child, but for the children that live in our home. The non stop court dates, the non stop wanting to change the visitation order, the non stop harrassing phone calls. To deny your child desperate educational and medical needs of the child who is 6, and mentally challenged, possibly autisitc.....just to be oppositional..makes me so angry. Her and her husband niether of them work, and yet they " dont want to waste  a day " to take him to the specialist, that pediatrician wants him to be taken too......i have scheduled everything around this lil boy, and his visits to see his daddy...to simply just be about winning, and not caring about the sons' welfare irriates me to no end. I am not sure how to deal with this. I am being told I have no place in what happends in my home concerning this matter. So when do I have a say in the chaos and interjection of this woman's insanity thrusted upon my family ????   i document everything, i keep all emails. contact is to be only thru email with her...yet she called 14 times last wednesday. and 12 times yesterday. to simply argue..my husband had to take him to the ER yesterday, for an ear infection. and it was told to him to keep him down and out of the cold, for atleast 24 hours. yet she couldnt let him stay an extra night, ( there is no school today, and legally it is our day to have him ) to let him rest. It was -17 below here with windchill..but oh no she had to have him, because if we kept him an extra night, that would mean we had more this week than her........so anyway. i have vented. Spouses who insist on making the others life hell..need to examine thier motives, and get real about it.  they need to grow up and show the child they matter. I wish my husband could get a fair shake with the courts system. He has been fighting this since she left him while he was in Iraq...3 years ago.....what is a father to do when the mother's agenda of revenge and spitefulness takes presendence over the well being of the  child ? do the fathers not count ? it seems that way to me. I sympothize with that couple, my husband and i work our tails off, while i go to school as well, just to take care of the family and pay her child support, while her and her husband sit on thier butts, get welfare, live with her mother, and have grandpa pay for everything. they live better than most working ppl i know....i am angry to say the least. to see a child being used as a pay check and the courts allowing to be that way ......
 
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January 21, 2008, 1:01 pm PST

butt out

I would love it my husbands ex wife, could focus on the need of the son. Not how to get even with my husband, or how to win a situation. It has caused so much pain, not only for thier child, but for the children that live in our home. The non stop court dates, the non stop wanting to change the visitation order, the non stop harrassing phone calls. To deny your child desperate educational and medical needs of the child who is 6, and mentally challenged, possibly autisitc.....just to be oppositional..makes me so angry. Her and her husband niether of them work, and yet they " dont want to waste  a day " to take him to the specialist, that pediatrician wants him to be taken too......i have scheduled everything around this lil boy, and his visits to see his daddy...to simply just be about winning, and not caring about the sons' welfare irriates me to no end. I am not sure how to deal with this. I am being told I have no place in what happends in my home concerning this matter. So when do I have a say in the chaos and interjection of this woman's insanity thrusted upon my family ????   i document everything, i keep all emails. contact is to be only thru email with her...yet she called 14 times last wednesday. and 12 times yesterday. to simply argue..my husband had to take him to the ER yesterday, for an ear infection. and it was told to him to keep him down and out of the cold, for atleast 24 hours. yet she couldnt let him stay an extra night, ( there is no school today, and legally it is our day to have him ) to let him rest. It was -17 below here with windchill..but oh no she had to have him, because if we kept him an extra night, that would mean we had more this week than her........so anyway. i have vented. Spouses who insist on making the others life hell..need to examine thier motives, and get real about it.  they need to grow up and show the child they matter. I wish my husband could get a fair shake with the courts system. He has been fighting this since she left him while he was in Iraq...3 years ago.....what is a father to do when the mother's agenda of revenge and spitefulness takes presendence over the well being of the  child ? do the fathers not count ? it seems that way to me. I sympothize with that couple, my husband and i work our tails off, while i go to school as well, just to take care of the family and pay her child support, while her and her husband sit on thier butts, get welfare, live with her mother, and have grandpa pay for everything. they live better than most working ppl i know....i am angry to say the least. to see a child being used as a pay check and the courts allowing to be that way ......
 
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January 21, 2008, 2:40 pm PST

SO ANGRY!

WOW, this show made SOOO angry. I cannot believe that two people who thought they loved each other at one time or another could act so incredibly bad to each other! WHAT is going on! I think the parents in this situation are both to blame. I was a child who had to go through this with their parents getting devorced and fighting and downing each other all the time. It is horrible to try and live through that! These children should be placed with a neutral party until such time that their parents get their act together and start acting like adults. I seriously think that these parents are still teenagers trapped in adult bodies. The way they behave toward each other is so ridiculous. My two year old acts that way on occasion and is put in the naughty chair! I cannot believe that these people are raising children.... those poor kids. As a kid who had to go through this myself, I really really really feel sorry for these kids. Its horrible always feeling in the middle, only wanting to feel safe and loved, but knowing that unless you pretend that the parent your with is the best parent that you'll get tossed to the side. Thinking that maybe one day they will leave you as they left each other. Thinking that if only you could convince them, that mommy or daddy really is good and kind that your family could be repaired, that things would be happy again.

 

PLEASE STOP DOING THIS TO YOUR CHILDREN! IF YOU DON'T THEY MAY NEVER GET OVER IT AND THEY MAY BLAME YOU BOTH WHEN ITS ALL SAID AND DONE. WHEN THEY GROW UP THEY WILL KNOW THAT WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS WRONG AND WHEN THEY DISCOVER THAT THEY MAY END UP HATING YOU. PLEASE STOP..... please...

 
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