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From petty theft to check fraud, Dr. Phil’s guests say they’re addicted to stealing, and it’s destroying their families. Casey says he’s been pilfering for 16 years and has ripped off groceries, appliances, DVDs -- even one of Dr. Phil’s books! Casey estimates that he’s stolen nearly $100,000 in merchandise and says his estranged brother, Zack, is clueless about the extent of his criminal activity. How does Zack respond when Casey reveals another deep, dark secret? Will the brothers be able to reconcile, and will Casey change his thieving ways? And, Micki says she uses her good looks to get jewelry and credit card numbers from men, but her kids have no idea she leads a secret life as a con artist. Recently, she was arrested for stealing $10,000 in a check fraud scheme. Find out why one friend says she deserves to be behind bars. Don’t miss Dr. Phil’s strong message for Micki. Join the discussion.

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January 23, 2008, 5:19 pm PST

01/23 Con Artists and Thieves

I found it interesting that you managed to point out how lazy Casey is, yet said nothing about Micki's laziness. Does this have to do at all with that Casey is fat? He said he was a "big boy" all of his life, clearly he is fat because of a genetic predisposition, not from eating himself fat. He doesn't exercise? Oh, maybe you should've asked Micki how much she exercises, unless you do have a real size-bias. Thin people need to exercise too, their being thin isn't going to automatically save them from disease, despite the media acting as if being thin is a free pass to a long life.

 

Micki is lazy, perhaps even lazier than Casey. She doesn't have to deal with the prejudice that people of size encounter daily. I'm not saying that excuses Casey, but I am saying at least he is dealing with issues of being judged all his life for not being "the right body size", and that is most likely a main part of his problem.

 

What does Micki suffer from, I mean other than Poor-Little-Thin-Pretty-Girl Syndrome. It doesn't take any effort to con people with your looks, especially if you're female. For the fact she doesn't have to deal with half the prejudice Casey faces, both for being fat and gay, I don't think she has a leg to stand on for why she's behaving this way. I guess it just works for her, and as long as our society belives in thin privelage, people like her will be able to get by for doing nothing. Micki is a result of what is wrong with thin privelage, she's been given everything in her life for being thin and pretty, and now she can't cope on her own. Having to use people by giving them a cute look, in order to survive.

 

Thin privelage has done little more than cripple her, as sizeism has helped cripple Casey in a similar way. However, I'll have more pity for Micki when I have to see get fat ads on TV every day, and people talking about how thin ISN'T  in.  That isn't going to happen, people still want to assume the worst of fat people.

 

If you want to talk about laziness Dr. Phil, you've shown an example of laziness on your own accord. It's lazy to show prejudice towards people of size, simply because the diet companies and insurance company bank on fat self-hatred. I've been to alot of fat acceptance sites. Most people now belive you are sizeist. I would hope you try to open your mind to the idea that you can be healthy at ANY size. Oh, and doing a NAFFA party special one day, and then showing a fat freakshow show the next day, is not displaying understanding size acceptance at all. It simply is saying, well if I do one show where I pretend I care about people who are plus sized and the discrimination they go through, then they can't call me on any other sizeist shows I do. Oh also, being fat doesn't mean that your health is everyone's damn buisness. Casey should be pointed out as being lazy for exercising. Yet you don't even question Micki's exercise habits? I guess it doesn't matter cause she LOOKS healthy? There are alot of thin people in this world who are making themselves sick, beliving that having to eat healthy and work out is something that only applies to fat people.  Perhaps if they see that it shows a detriment to them as well, they might stop jumping on the obesity hysteria wagon.

 
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January 23, 2008, 5:46 pm PST

Dr. Phil's too smart to be conned!

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I could not belive how pompous Dr. Phil was today.  I have enjoyed a majority of his shows in the past but today really irritated me.  Both guests came on the show to try to find help for their actions.  However, it seemed like all dr. phil could do was make them feel worse about it.  Casey tried to come up with many reasons why he thought he was doing this, and perhaps that was part of his attempt at justifying his actions.  However, dr. phil did not try to dispell Casey's theories nor did he confirm them.  Both individuals mentioned that they wanted to know why they performed these criminal actions and not once did dr. phil even try to give them an answer.  Some help he was today!!
 Pompous? Not hardly. Its more likely that Dr. Phil has seen this con game all too often. Part of being a sociopath is to be so self-absorbed that you wouldn't recognize sincere help if you heard it. Its a serious mental illness, and one that you can't talk someone out of in a 20 minute therapy segment. Dr. Phil's main job here was to expose these sick proclivities to the audience so that we can recognize it and protect ourselves from being victims of these deeply disturbed people. The help for Casey will come later if he takes advantage of the therapy being offered. But statistics for changing this condition are not too hopeful. Thanks Dr Phil for bringing it all into the light.
 
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January 23, 2008, 5:56 pm PST

The big Con

The topic of todays show WAS like being in the twilight zone. I was so angry I could have chewed nails! These two self-indulgent people should be in jail. There is no consideration for the people that they fleece and no thought or caring of what the end result of their actions will be. I, on the other hand get a dose of reality every day! My youngest son conned my mother out of multiple tens of thousands of dollars to support himself, which eventually resulted in she and my stepfather losing their home. It was easier to tell lie after lie after lie to get what he needed while not even considering what the ramifacations would be at the end. At the time he didn't care, and despite my begging and pleading for him and HER to stop, he would not. My son harassed Mom to the point that she always gave in. Eventually he did stop, but only after she sent him her last dime. Now, my parents live in a tiny apartment, my Mom had a stroke last Mother's day and my stepdad suffers from dementia. They are penniless, living and barely making it on their social security. I have to go in each month to write out their bills, or at least what bills they can pay. Mom is wheelchair bound and she and my stepdad fight constantly. My stepdads pension and inheritance is gone, the money from the reverse mortgage is gone, it's ALL gone! This is only part of the MESS that I have to contend with. The mess that is the wreakage of their life that is left, partially due to my son's actions. My son tells me he has a  hard time talking to her ( he lives in Texas) because of what he did. Ya think??? At 25 I think he finally had a "moment" and realized and can see what his actions have caused to happen. He now is consumed with guilt. He tells me that what he has done eats at his soul. Every day. But, it's a done deal. I saw not one speck of remorse from Micki. If she hadn't gotten caught, she'd still be out there, running her game. Does she think about that elderly man she conned, and what financial state she may have left him in? I think not. What a piece of work. Too good to flip burgers because shes better than that? She's got skills? Puleese!!!!! I have a few words for that young lady. I have skills too! I was studio manager for one of the four studios chosen to work on the stained glass restoration at Princeton University Chapel. Only the most historically significant in the world other than Notre Dame Cathedral. That is until I was sidelined by back and neck injuries and told my career was over. I still didn't give up, I have my own struggling studio, my fiance has had 2 major back operations ( he worked the Chapel also), I just got this months rent paid today, and we're behind on everything. Do you think I'm sitting around waiting for work because I've got special skills? Micki better wake up and smell the coffee. Tomorrow I have three applications and interviews, hopefully. One is up the street at the local dairy to milk cows, and one of the other jobs is making fruit baskets, and neither one pays over $9.00 an hour. I pray I get the job! If Micki thinks her tears are going to win the day, she's got a better chance of tapdancing on quicksand. Wnat I think of Casey isn't worth the effort to type the words.....he was running the con on Dr. Phil, but Dr. Phil is no idiot and was kind enough to offer help. Casey and Micki and their families will have to live with what they've done for rest or their lives, perhaps haunted, like my son. Sadly, I think not.

 
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January 23, 2008, 6:03 pm PST

Hurting the thief more??

Quote From: kiki2820

Stealing is horrible. However, it is probably hurting the THIEF more than the person they are stealing from. I shoplifted & stole for months because I was extremely angry. Until I resolved the anger issue. The more I stole, the more I hated myself. This is why I know that this person is in a vicious cycle that he has to get help with in order to stop.
I'm sorry, but..... Are you kidding me?!?!  Hurting the thief more? No it isn't! The person who was robbed lost more than thier property. They lost their sense of privacy, safety, everything! So, don't say that! That is pathetic! Whatever happened to the person taking responsibility for their actions?  I'm sorry, but that just blows my mind that one would think that! I hate myself.. Do I go steal? NO! Stop making excuses and change.  Bottom line.
 
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January 23, 2008, 7:12 pm PST

you can not get job flipping burgers

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I have just been diagnosed with the HIV virus. My doctor and I have to the best of our ability traced it back to a needle in  a hospital emergency room. The nurse was very shaky, stabbing herself in the arm and then my own arm. I'm also straight.  I am not homophobic, but it's guys like this that make me very angry with the homosexual community. To think that he is sleeping with guys, knowing they have the virus and he does nothing to protect himself! That is so selfish! Does he not care about his family? I am seeing first hand the effects that this disease has on not only myself, but my family. My parents ache for me. And worry. My chances for ever being a father or husband have been snatched from me. I didn't ask for it. But I have it.. Nothing I can do about it.

This dude, on the other hand, is asking for it! And what happens if he contracts the disease? He strikes me as the type that would not tell the next sexual partner that he has the disease. And that makes me angry! One day, he will regret his decisions he has made in his life... But he asked for it. No one to blame but himself. I just feel sorry for his brother and family. They are the losers in this situation.

Dear Doctor Phil,

 

If you do not know, all fast food chains require a background check so that they do not hire felons. I have experienced this with my brother who has been to prison. The best you can hope to find is day labor. 

 
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January 23, 2008, 7:38 pm PST

I'm confused

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Dear Doctor Phil,

 

If you do not know, all fast food chains require a background check so that they do not hire felons. I have experienced this with my brother who has been to prison. The best you can hope to find is day labor. 

You quoted my statement, but I'm not sure what you mean. I know it's hard to read how a person is speaking, so I want you to know I'm not being smart. I'm just wondering what this has to do with my statement. Please help me out. Thanks.

 

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January 23, 2008, 7:49 pm PST

Thou Shall Not Steal

 All Casey wants is attention and he's getting it.  The only thing Micki is sorry for, IS GETTING CAUGHT.  I don't feel sorry for either one of them.  I feel sorry for the people they ripped off.  Casey and Micki should go to jail.  What ever happened to:  Thou Shall Not Steal
 

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January 23, 2008, 7:57 pm PST

America??

AND THE CAUCASIAN POPULATION STATES THAT IMMAGRANTS ARE THIEVES, THEY ARE THE PROBLEM !!!!!! 

 

OPEN YOUR EYES CAUCASIAN AMERICA IT'S ALSO HOME GROWN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
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January 24, 2008, 1:46 am PST

01/23 Con Artists and Thieves

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 My girlfriends and myself call people like miki especially --MEAL TICKETS-----

we have seen them bat their eyes at men only to see what they can get out of them----

It is sort of a game to them and you would not believe what they can con men into giving them.

Personally my friends and I are all widows at a young age with children and it has not been easy especially since our husbands deaths have in some cases let us very desperate. We have re-educated ourselves --flipped burgers--waited tables --maybe nothing too glamorous but none of us have asked anybody for a hand-out or lowered ourself into giving ourself away to make an easy living. What kind of message is she giving to her kids. If Dr. phil doesnt think he is being conned than Robin better lookout!

I'm pretty sure DrP's got Mickie figured out. He plainly told her that he has been to women's prisons and that she (Mickie)is "average". He also told her it's not about breast implants. He just simply offered her help.

IMO I figure Mickie turned to the show to try and keep herself out of jail. Who knows if she really wants to make a change? Perhaps, in doing this, she may accidently decide that she WILL try to make a change in her habits. If not, then, she'll eventually end up incarcerated and her kids will pay the price.

 
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January 24, 2008, 1:54 am PST

Good grief!

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I found it interesting that you managed to point out how lazy Casey is, yet said nothing about Micki's laziness. Does this have to do at all with that Casey is fat? He said he was a "big boy" all of his life, clearly he is fat because of a genetic predisposition, not from eating himself fat. He doesn't exercise? Oh, maybe you should've asked Micki how much she exercises, unless you do have a real size-bias. Thin people need to exercise too, their being thin isn't going to automatically save them from disease, despite the media acting as if being thin is a free pass to a long life.

 

Micki is lazy, perhaps even lazier than Casey. She doesn't have to deal with the prejudice that people of size encounter daily. I'm not saying that excuses Casey, but I am saying at least he is dealing with issues of being judged all his life for not being "the right body size", and that is most likely a main part of his problem.

 

What does Micki suffer from, I mean other than Poor-Little-Thin-Pretty-Girl Syndrome. It doesn't take any effort to con people with your looks, especially if you're female. For the fact she doesn't have to deal with half the prejudice Casey faces, both for being fat and gay, I don't think she has a leg to stand on for why she's behaving this way. I guess it just works for her, and as long as our society belives in thin privelage, people like her will be able to get by for doing nothing. Micki is a result of what is wrong with thin privelage, she's been given everything in her life for being thin and pretty, and now she can't cope on her own. Having to use people by giving them a cute look, in order to survive.

 

Thin privelage has done little more than cripple her, as sizeism has helped cripple Casey in a similar way. However, I'll have more pity for Micki when I have to see get fat ads on TV every day, and people talking about how thin ISN'T  in.  That isn't going to happen, people still want to assume the worst of fat people.

 

If you want to talk about laziness Dr. Phil, you've shown an example of laziness on your own accord. It's lazy to show prejudice towards people of size, simply because the diet companies and insurance company bank on fat self-hatred. I've been to alot of fat acceptance sites. Most people now belive you are sizeist. I would hope you try to open your mind to the idea that you can be healthy at ANY size. Oh, and doing a NAFFA party special one day, and then showing a fat freakshow show the next day, is not displaying understanding size acceptance at all. It simply is saying, well if I do one show where I pretend I care about people who are plus sized and the discrimination they go through, then they can't call me on any other sizeist shows I do. Oh also, being fat doesn't mean that your health is everyone's damn buisness. Casey should be pointed out as being lazy for exercising. Yet you don't even question Micki's exercise habits? I guess it doesn't matter cause she LOOKS healthy? There are alot of thin people in this world who are making themselves sick, beliving that having to eat healthy and work out is something that only applies to fat people.  Perhaps if they see that it shows a detriment to them as well, they might stop jumping on the obesity hysteria wagon.

I think you misinterpreted DrP's intentions. This show is about stealing not weight. He didn't once say that Casey is lazy because of his weight. You are "misreading" between the lines.
 
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