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Topic : 01/28 The Baggy Pants Debate

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Do you think the government should be allowed to keep you from wearing something others may find offensive? A debate is gaining attention across the country: Should baggy pants be banned? You’ve seen them, primarily worn by men: oversized pants hanging so low that sometimes the entire behind shows! Local ordinances in 12 states have banned the low-slung look -– but are they unfairly targeting African-Americans? Dr. Phil speaks with guests on both sides of the debate -- including parents. And, Reverend Al Sharpton and Grammy nominated hip-hip artists the Ying Yang Twins join the show with their views on banning baggy pants. Get up to speed on this issue, before YOU get caught with your pants down! Join the discussion.

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January 28, 2008, 9:04 am PST

What about all the cleavage?

I think the baggy pants look silly and uncomfortable.  However at least their butts are covered so it does not bother me.  What does get to me is all of the cleavage that is flopping around.  I'm sick and tired of seeing cleavage.  It's trashy and sends a wrong message to the world.  Cover it up.  Not everyone wants to see it.  Girls/women, instead present yourself as a treasure and not trash!  As Dr. Phil says, "you teach others how to treat you."  I want my teenage daughters to be treated as the precious treasures that they are.   Therefore they dress fashionably without flashing cleavage.  Instead they flash a smile and let their inner beauty shine for all of the world to see!     

 
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January 28, 2008, 9:13 am PST

baggy pants

Hello... what about the women who wear there pants so low there thongs are showing? how come no one is complaining about that!?!??   what about the thonged bikinis???  I would rather see fully clothed bottom then a bottom with bear skin!!!  leave the baggy pants alone!!!
 
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January 28, 2008, 9:14 am PST

not about race

I am so sick of Sharpton making everything about race.......................................................................................

Please....this is not a race issue, I see just as many white males as black males wearing baggy pants. I think you all look so silly. These guys look like they have long waists, short legs and no butt, real attractive.   They can barely walk let alone run and they just look so ridiculous. 

 

I don't think the government has any right to tell anyone what to wear but I do hope this style goes away real soon. 

 

 

 
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January 28, 2008, 9:39 am PST

Mixed feelings

 

I has mixed feelings about this subject. As a mother, I am always telling my 19 yr son to  up pull his pants when he comes to visit. I think it is disgusting and disrespectful to themselves and others... but no more than seeing females showing their pierced belly buttons and thongs hanging out the back. To think of this turning into a legal issue is ridiculous. I can't see it being just a racial issue either, were I live you see it with on an equal basis no matter what the race.

 

To say that it is judgmental is an understatement because we live in a world were first impressions are important and this is something that effects all of us not just those wearing the baggy pants.

 

Schools, businesses and employers should have the right to have dress codes.  Individuals should have the right to wear what they want to however they should also respect themselves and others. There are many schools and employers with strict dress codes. Restaurants have dress codes and most likely other businesses will follow. You see the signs... No Shirt... No Shoes... No service!!  The new signs will read: No Shirt... No Shoes... No thongs or underwear exposed...  No service or courtesy will be extended!

 

 
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January 28, 2008, 9:49 am PST

Shoes, Shirt, Pants (Up) Required

Should the government be allowed to determine what we wear? I thought the government was of, for and by the PEOPLE. Therefore, if the MAJORITY go to the polls and VOTE not to allow indecent exposure of underwear, then the PEOPLE have spoken – so YES the government should be allowed to determine what society (that includes you, me and our neighbors) deems to be socially acceptable.

 

Knowing this can be different in different places, we have communities, cities, towns, counties, states, and countries to live in. If we don’t like the rules of our various governments, we can vote to change them or we can move to another place where the rules are more in line with our own way of thinking.

 

I am most disappointed that the government, OUR government that we voted for, that makes us American and makes America so great, is being labeled as the ‘bad guy’ in these types of debates. The way I understand our government works, it is our messenger. Why is the topic of debate one of shooting the messenger? Did a dictator choose this subject  – or did the community at large rightfully and democratically make the choice?

 

If the ‘government’ shouldn't be allowed to do such things, why have any rules at all or any government at all? The debates lately seem to be completely for the individual, nothing for society as a whole, not even ‘the majority rules’. Because government is being incorrectly labeled this way, the noisy, vulgar, outlandish, generally UNacceptable things are winning over the majority. These same people are telling everyone else not to judge them by their clothes. Isn't what people think of them the very reason they chose such clothing? To make a statement? Is there any such things as clothes NOT saying something about the person when they are being worn? It's just the human way. We each think what we think. I am hearing society say that the individual rights are of far more importance than the good of the majority. And so, we are becoming, if we are not already, a nation in which the minority rules - if only because they are an individual and NOT because what they are doing is of good social value, something that is a good idea which the rest of society tolerates well and perhaps even benefits from.

 

The saying goes, “united they stand, divided they fall.” To me this means we will eventually fall because we will each become so distinctly offensive to others in order to prove we are unique individuals, that there will be little, if any, unity with which to remain standing. To raise the next generation to be able to keep America running, they need values that will take them there, not a lack of values that makes them less productive.

 

Dr. Phil, please help correct this gross view of our government. We should substitute the word ‘people’ for the word ‘government’ whenever it refers to something that has been voted on by the PEOPLE!! If your survey did this, I’d bet anything the percentage of people who think the

'people' should be allowed to make these rules, would be vastly different than the answers you got.

 

And if the ‘government’ shouldn’t make such rules, who should? What other means does society have to determine what is good for it? I heard an answer to this on the show today. MOTHERS! Help us mothers Dr. Phil! How much blame can we live with? D-Roc and Kaine both mentioned mothers. D-Roc said his mother raised him right. Does that mean every person wearing saggin’ pants had a sorry mother? NO SIR! Then Kaine noted that mothers could keep their children away from the likes of him if they don’t approve. Impossible! Can we mothers reduce it, yes. Can we eliminate it, no.

Once kids enter their teen years, many strike out against authority and conformity as a way of determining their individuality as the adults they want to become. They can do the exact opposite of what loving, caring moms teach their children. But society somehow seems to come back and lay that guilt on mothers after encouraging unwanted dress and behavior codes on them against the mothers' wishes. The only chance us mothers have to change this is to VOTE. In this way, we make our community live within rules which allow us to let our children walk in a neighborhood without being exposed to vulgarity, drugs, sex, etc. and be the children we want them to be.

 

Meanwhile, businesses can also help – they can post signs on their doors saying “Shirt, Shoes, and Pants (Up) required.” Then maybe us mothers can once again take our children out in public without exposing them to other people's dirty laundry!

 
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January 28, 2008, 9:55 am PST

Regarding baggy pants

                              

      This would not be such a problem if every time a new trend came up, people would'nt take it

as far as it can possibly go just to prove somthing. No one really wants to see your butt crack or

what covers it. Be proud of who you are and tittan that belt up. There are many other constructive

ways to prove your point in this world. Lord knows we could use alot more strong minded, not angry

people in this great country we live in. To me it looks very lazy !!  Living in the country that gives us

every opportunity deserves better!!!

 

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January 28, 2008, 10:05 am PST

Baggy Pants??? !!!!

Okay - I am not about to start advocating for the government to do anything to regulate how individuals express themselves, however the issue of baggy pants has other issues connected to it  - at least from my experience.

 

For the last few years I have worked as a youth worker in a big city in the downtown core.  I was a Mental Health Worker in a Youth drop-in for kids who were at risk.  At risk of what?  At risk of gang pressure, at risk of being forced into the sex trade, at risk of getting shot for a pair of designer shoes, at risk of homelessness, you name it and if it was bad we dealt with it.  I too had a hard time in understanding why the baggy pants so I asked the youth I worked with.  Why do you guys always wear baggy pants?  Some said it was just a fashion.  Others told me that the baggy pants helped them hide guns and weapons on their person when they had to go see their workers in the no colours, no weapons drop-ins.  Other youth told me that it was easier to be servicesd by their "ho's"  (but that was more about why they make their baggy pants sit so low below their underwear.)  the Youth I worked with were all from visible minority groups (as am I), but this "fashion" that is all about  carrying concealed weapons and drugs is also part of "white" street culture.  The reality of where I have spent my time working is that the baggy pants are not always about fashion.  Sometimes there are real reasons for the stereotypes to be started.  The youth I worked with also identified very heavily with the black rap and club culture.  The youth liked to follow this whole "east coast - west cost"  rapper / gang conflict.  I can not afford to allow judgemements to cloud the fact that I am there to provide support to youth who want to improve their lives, but where to draw the line when you know that a youth walking into your drop-in , who is high on street drugs, and who you know is not interested in fashion, and who lives a lifestyle which includes guns and drugs walks in and you know they are carrying - but they are lying about to you.  What would you do to protect the other youth who are there working on improving their lives and that one time you didn't follow your gut instinct about what was concealed and what wasn't was the time when tragedy occurs.  I dont' mind the fashion.  I mind the accompanying lifestyle.  What to do when people take advantage of self-expression and "fashion" to put others in jeopardy? 

 

Thank you. 

 
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January 28, 2008, 10:06 am PST

Gov't myob

I strongly disagree with the government having any say in one's right to express they're individuality.

Period.

I was a punk rock girl and I used to go to school wearing long johns and men's boxers on the outside so I can't say a word about the saggy look!

I am not actually a fan of the look but I don't understand why the government thinks it has any right to "ban" it. It seams to me that if the government spent more time on real issues instead of this kind of non-sense maybe we could get something accomplished for once! This is still America the land of the free right??? I'm pretty sick of some bureaucrat telling me what to eat, what to wear, how to talk, to wear my stupid seat belt etc.! How about spending some of that time on making laws that protect women from they're homicidal husbands or protecting kids from pedophiles!? Wouldn't that be a better use of time then worrying about what some young kid is wearing????

The only thing I would suggest is if your going to wear your pants that way Please wear clean boxers!! :-)

~Nixi

 

 

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January 28, 2008, 10:16 am PST

about the baggy pants

There are more important things to worry about, like poverty and helping other citizens.

a problem which the government should fix.

I think someone with self-esteem or selfworth wouldn't wear baggy pants and if they do, they usually have something underneath.

 
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January 28, 2008, 10:21 am PST

01/28 The Baggy Pants Debate

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I am so sick of Sharpton making everything about race.......................................................................................

Please....this is not a race issue, I see just as many white males as black males wearing baggy pants. I think you all look so silly. These guys look like they have long waists, short legs and no butt, real attractive.   They can barely walk let alone run and they just look so ridiculous. 

 

I don't think the government has any right to tell anyone what to wear but I do hope this style goes away real soon. 

 

 

i agree with you amen.shelia
 
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