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Created on : Friday, January 25, 2008, 01:17:35 pm
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Do you think the government should be allowed to keep you from wearing something others may find offensive? A debate is gaining attention across the country: Should baggy pants be banned? You’ve seen them, primarily worn by men: oversized pants hanging so low that sometimes the entire behind shows! Local ordinances in 12 states have banned the low-slung look -– but are they unfairly targeting African-Americans? Dr. Phil speaks with guests on both sides of the debate -- including parents. And, Reverend Al Sharpton and Grammy nominated hip-hip artists the Ying Yang Twins join the show with their views on banning baggy pants. Get up to speed on this issue, before YOU get caught with your pants down! Join the discussion.

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February 4, 2008, 4:38 pm PST

01/28 The Baggy Pants Debate

Quote From: grantp

Im currently a 23 year old college student in Sacramento, growing up in the bay I've seen all different types of ethnicities wearing baggy pants; Hispanics, Asians Blacks, Whites, you name it.  I dont think its a racial thing at all, its part of a style thats been around for a few years now.  To discriminate by making a law against baggy pants would be no different than if the gov't were to outlaw afro's and bell-bottoms in the 60s-70s. Its a 'fad" if you would like to call it, and harmless in it self.  Its sad to waste time and money in the judicial system with this issue.  Whatever the style may be at the moment, when the people who dress in this fashion get older and into the work force & develop their own familes, their attitudes and manner of dress will change, just like with the afro's, bell-bottoms, & leisure suits.  People change and styles change, big deal, their are far more pressing issues for American to tackle.
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February 4, 2008, 5:27 pm PST

01/28 The Baggy Pants Debate

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I wasn't speaking directly to you, it was to everyone else who might be reading the message. Seriously, you're not the only one I write messages to. Whether this makes you feel better or worse, I don't care. i'm just setting the record straight. When I say "YOU", I mean anyone who would read this message. M'kay?

 

As for kids seeing a lot worse in this world, you're right. Kids do see a lot worse. As parents, moms and dads have to protect them from as much of it as they can until they are old enough to handle all of it. But the sad truth is, they can't. Last year a man got shot and killed two yards from my home. My little cousin saw that. (Yah, i live in a rough neighborhood too. So, I know what it's like.) My uncle saw the twin towers fall, and I saw it happen on television. And when I was a bit younger and taking my cousin to the mall, a man that was "sagging" actually had his pants fall down in front of her and his underwear partly, which means she got a good view of something NEITHER OF US DIDN'T WANT TO SEE. Yeah, you can't protect a child's eyes all the time, because eventually they're going to see something you rather they didn't. But we, as society's grown-ups, can do what we can about what we can. And passing a law that a man had to pull his pants up in front of the rest of society is a good step in that direction.

 

I haven't judged anyone. I just said I don't want to see a grown man's undies in my face when I'm out in public. As for all the poor kids who can't afford new clothes and have to wear clothes twice as big as they are, I have not judged them one bit. If a blind man were to walk past me and step on my feet and hurt my toe, i wouldn't judge him harshly, in fact I wouldn't judge him at all, seeing as how it wasn't really his fault as he's blind and couldn't help it. But a man with good eyesight who walks by and deliberately steps on my toe because it's a fad started by some blind rapper in prison or whatever is going to PISS ME OFF. So no, the "poor kids in the projects who cant afford clothes that fit" argument doesn't work on me. Because I'm talking about the people who go outside and give me a view of their underwear because they think it's "hip" or "cool". Really, just... PULL YOUR PANTS UP.

how do you know all of the guys situations? you dont! you want to know why you dont, because you wont give the time of day to get to know them.

they could live in a bad place like alot of us or be poor like alot of us...you dont know so why hate them?

 
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February 4, 2008, 7:21 pm PST

Geez, R U kidding me, Al Sharpton I suggest

You should find better causes than the rights to show 1/2 a butt to represent African Americans.  How can someone protecting this issue be considered a valid politician.

 

I am African American female and persons who wear this baggy pants annoy me.   They add to the already existing negative image of African Americans and they look trashy.

 

Persons who continually engage with the image of baggy pants would not know how it affects those of us in the work force because most choose not to have jobs for long term basis.  And believe me the whinning from that statement means nothing to me.  I only hope the gold teeth are next.  The rappers want the image to continue because it sells their records and don't care it does not help the rest of us in the workforce. 

 

As an African American passing this law will not affect me negatively.  Pull up your pants and go work.

 

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February 4, 2008, 7:56 pm PST

it's not about the music or culture or race

It's about self respect and respect for others. In my school it's not a racial thing it's an individual's thing. There are rules of conduct that our students are to follow and dress codes that  have to be abided by. The boys are not supposed to wear saggy pants, when they do they are asked to pull them up. They hide this "fashion" by wearing equally baggy shirts so you can't tell all the time if the pants are sagging or not. Also, there are rules for the girls, no cleavage can be seen, no sleeveless shirts or bra straps seen, no thongs showing  with low riding jeans, or skirts or shorts shorter than their arms. When they are seen with these clothes they are either asked to change (in some cases the parents are called to bring up appropriate clothing), or they are given in school suspension for breaking the dress code. It's not about the music or the color of the skin or anything else ; it's about showing you have respect for yourself and those around you.
 
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February 4, 2008, 8:02 pm PST

LOVE TO SAGGIN MY PANTS

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The Baggy Pants Debate Doctor Phil Doctor Phil I am staying out of this debate because if I do debate----

then I will get into trouble. See you on Monday Janurary 28th, 2008.  Sincerley Your. Russell Vlaanderen.---

THATS CRAZY BAND BAGGY PANTS WHATS WRONG WITH AMERICA TODAY I FEEL IF U WONT US TO STOP SAGGIN U MINUS WELL PICK ARE CLOTHES OUT. AND YOU JUDGE US OFF ARE CLOTHES O THERE SAGGIN THERE GANG BANGERS O THEY GOT GUNS. IT'S NOT ALWAYS ABOUT THAT YOU JUST GOTTA NO IF U SAGGIN IT FEEL BETTER BECAUSE YOUR PANTS ISN'T ALL UP YOUR BALLS. IF WE WAS TO GET TICKETS FOR SAGGIN THATS JUST HELPING THE POLICE LOCK MORE INNOCENT PEOPLE UP FOR NO REASON. AND YOU MINUS WELL CLOSE ALL CLOTHES STORES BECAUSE IT WONT NEVER STOP AND IT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH RAPPERS IT STARTED IN THE PIN... AND CONTINUES ON THE STREETS YOU CANT STOP PEOPLE FROM SAGGIN ITS A FREE COUNTRY REMEMBER THAT MARTIN LUTHER KING DIDN'T DO THAT FOR NO REASON....
 
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February 4, 2008, 8:12 pm PST

Funny

OK... I may not think we need new laws or bans on this as I'm pretty sure laws on the books can be used to cover this. Personally I think it looks rediculas. I acually laughed out loud today when I saw a guy at the gas station wearing this. It looks like a clown school drop out look. Of course that just my personal opinion.

However I seriouslu doubt some of the boys (men) who say it's cool or ok to wear this would change their tune in less than a blink is their darling daughters wend out showing that much of their back sides. Frankly I don't see why these boys bother putting pants on. As one stated on the show they just feel more laid back and relaxed dressed like that. I say why bother. Just wear the boxers out.

And on a bit of a funny note... a few months ago I saw one of these baggy fans making his relaxed way down the street and the pants fell down to his ankles. LOL Sweet... at least I've gotten a few good laughs from it. I've decided to start filming them in hopes of a good "You Tube" moment. :D
 
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February 4, 2008, 8:46 pm PST

I am saddened

Quote From: forrell826

Its funny you guys are going off this, because to tell the truth, the whole baggy pants is out of style. Anyone who is still wearing baggy pants to their ankles is corny around my way. I am saying as a  young teen, who likes fashion. Actually the style is more of tighter, skinny jeans but that is not for everybody.

 

But basically, you guys are behind time, because "baggy"  is a no-no. So a waste of debate.

 

Talk about something else important like getting our troops out, or tightening our border. That is what the government should be worry about. But we're called the Land of the Free. It 'was' a style among young kids, so let it be, but at the same time no buttocks should be hanging out.

 

Gee, Al sharptopn going to be up here. I cannot stand him, and I am a African American female. He  OR his girlfriend, Jesse Jackson, DOES NOT REPRESENT MY RACE. So whatever come out his mouth does not apply to majority of us educated ones.

You are a young African American female teenager. I really don't care if you like sagging, baggy pants or tight skinny jeans, that is a personal choice. I have teenage nephews and nieces and one thing they know is that they may be book smart but they are still poorly educated. We constantly pour knowledge into their little minds. I hope you listen. I went to school at both UCLA and USC on academic scholarships, and I know a thing or two. I remember being spit on as I walked into a high school when integration was young a few years ago. Kids have worn Afros, psychedelic nonsense, hot pants, low riders, hip huggers, blue hair, and you name it. I does not matter, but it was the likes of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton who fought for you to go to school and get an education. They marched with Martin Luther King for rights that you did not have. Hate them if you wish, but please stay at home and find a job in the cotton fields. As a female too, every right you have is because of these men and the people who have caused you to have this hate want you to have even less rights. These men went to jail for you and many more were lynched and burned and suffered much scorn. They were called Uppity and Whites were called Outside Agitators.

 

It is February, Black History Month, please take the time to find out who you are. When you walk down the halls of your school and drink from the water fountain, remember without these me you would have been lynched for drinking from that fountain. I pray that God's enlightens you, because you are the next generation and you came from the previous.

 
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February 4, 2008, 9:50 pm PST

The Good Ol'days when young adults showed respect

I am absolutely thrilled to hear someone if finally doing something about the sloppy, disrespectful attire of our youth.   I remember when there were dress codes. What happened to the dress codes?   It seems people had more respect, more self-esteem, more courtesy and with all that, there was far less crimes.  If you dress the part, your going to act the part.  There is also  "Guilty by association".   I never let my children dress like that and today my son gets constant compliments of what a Polite, Respectful Young Man he is.  His instructors comment and thank him because he says "Sir or Ms." He not only demonstrates respect, he shows it by how he acts and how he dresses.   Oh, one more thing, a gentleman opens the door for others, I can't remember a time when a person wearing baggy pants ever opened a door for me.  My son always opens the door for the elderly and females of all ages.  If it take a city, state and/or Gov't has to pass a law because they want their youths to be taught respect, more power to them.  Don't forget, the people are the Gov't and if the majority of the people want the law in their community, then the majority rules. 
 
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February 4, 2008, 10:06 pm PST

Baggy Pants

This opinion is of course only an opinion. I personally think that the pants sagging is totally disgusting. I do not want to see another mans underwear, much less someone who does not take care of himself and then see nasty under wear. Come on'. Why don't the guys  or girls  because I have seen girls do it also, why don't they just wear their boxers or their underwear and come out of the house like that. It would save them alot of clothes and when they need to run they won't trip and fall.I have actually been told that the whole trend of sagging pants started in prison. I am certain there will be alot of people who disagree.

Also I do know dempgraphically it is minorities who are doing it.  SO it  is going to take a minority to stop it. Like the gentleman who was on your show. I believe he has a site called :pullupyourpants.com, I think that was the name of it. I appreciate his courage and I hope that the people will listen. Pull up your pants. You know someone once told me that you should dress for the job you want not the one you have. By the way I am a minority.

 
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February 4, 2008, 11:24 pm PST

01/28 The Baggy Pants Debate

Government should not get involved. If you want to go around looking like you couldn't learn how to dress yourself, go ahead. But I don't believe it should go into the work place. It shows lack of respect, character and morals.
 
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