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Created on : Friday, February 01, 2008, 02:19:57 pm
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They were beautiful twin sisters until they started abusing pills. Yvonne says she had the perfect life -- a great husband, nice house and three happy children -- until her introduction to pain pills six years ago. Shortly after, her twin, Yvette, picked up the habit too. Their lives have spiraled out of control. Their younger sister, Maria, wants to confront her sisters and make them take a hard look at what their drug abuse is doing to their kids and the entire family. You won’t believe the extreme behavior the Dr. Phil cameras capture in their home. Is one of the sisters pressuring the other to keep up her pill popping? The women live with their mother and Yvonne's three children. Find out why Yvette's daughter only sees her on the weekends. And, Yvette and Yvonne have a rocky relationship with their mother, Debbie. Why do they say she hates them? And, what does Dr. Phil say that upsets Yvette so much, she turns away and breaks down. You don't want to miss the first part of this disturbing story, and find out why this could happen to you! Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

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February 7, 2008, 2:05 pm PST

Doctors Bear Some Blame

I have two scenarios in my immediate family where I place blame on the physicians enabling the addictions. First, my 70 year old mother, given Vicodin in 2001 after a hip replacement. She discovered how "even and anxiety-free" it made her feel and convinced her psychiatrist to prescribe it to her for her anxiety issues. She denies she is addicted since her doctor prescribes it. Thing is, it is not her primary care doctor, nor her pulmonologist (for which Vicodin can be very dangerous for the elderly who have breathing conditons). In fact, I believe my mother keeps this information from her PCP's. Regardless, for her psychiatrist to write her refillable scripts (up to 5 refills at a time) for 120 pills a month is irresponsible. He doesn't even see her in theraputic sessions anymore, rather, only requires a monthly 15 minute visit to his office to ask "how are you doing", thus, he can bill her insurance for on-going care. Her breathing condition, "COPD", can be complicated by so many factors that this doctor is not monitoring - such as weight gain (carb munchies from the opiates), suppressed breathing (from the opiates)...all things working against the regime her pulmonologist has her on. I blame my mother, mostly, for being devious about her Vicodin use. However, I blame her board certified shrink the most for not treating her addiction, rather, increasing it. My worry is he will drop dead, Mom will suddenly have no access to the pills and a devastating withdrawl will occur. I certainly can't see her finding another doctor who will re-up her, given no immediate pain issues. Isn't treating anxiety with Vicodin unethical, especially in the elderly??? I've often toyed with contacting him with threats of reporting him. Of course, she could always Dr. shop....which leads me to the next family member...........

 

He has legitimate physical issues for pain managment and for many years has been on Vicodin. However, he was recently disagnosed with two mood disorders and put on Risperdol & Lexapro. Things were fine until his orthopeadist told him he would have to get future pain meds thru a primary care doctor.

When he couldn't get an immediate appointment, some friend of his turned him on to doctor who would prescribe whatever he needed, as long as he provided a printout from a pharmacy showing a history of any requested Rx use. My family member USED to get Zanex over a year ago and decided he would provide a printout that indicated the Zanex as well as the pain meds. He paid $220 for the office visit, spent under 5 minutes in consultation with this doctor (of course, never revealing he was on Lexapro & Risperdol by his attending psychiatrist - who refused him zanex!) and walked out with 2 scripts for 120 each of Percocets and Zanex. My family member ate those zanex like M & M's and all hell broke loose! He's lucky to be alive, as he can't recall a period of 4-5 days nor where 90 each of the zanex and percs went, other than he must have consumed them. In those days of his stupor, he didn't take his regular meds and the psychotic monster in him came out. None of us can convince him to return to his "good meds", because he feels he doesn't need them any more, that he can manage his issues with the Zanex and without monitored therapy.  While he admits he was irresponsible with the Zanex and won't abuse them again, none of us are convinced. He believes he has an easy access (and he does!) to a doctor who requires nothing of him except some cash. Apparently, these kind of doctors abound and with the escalating rise in teen abuse of Rx med's, someone needs to seriously curb the availability made by unethical doctors! 

 

Yvonne & Yvettes addictions are as much their own problem as it is the prescribibg doctor who is not monitoring the use or being more judicious for the reasons they are prescribed to begin with. And if they aren't getting them from a doctor, rather, off the street - that just proves my point further that it's easy for everyone to get them and become addicted!

 
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February 7, 2008, 2:10 pm PST

02/06 Pill Popping Twins

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my point is that people are taking methadone and seboxin to detox from heroin, yet they are still getting high on the methadone and seboxin. that is trading one drug for another if you ask me. i see it at narcotics annymous meetings all the time.
If they are "high" from the methadone the dose is too high and their counselors should notice the effect immediately.  If they are buying "extra" methadone then they are the type of patient who does give the rest who are there for recovery a very bad name!
 
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February 7, 2008, 2:15 pm PST

twins

Please keep us up-dated on these women, and especially their children.
 
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February 7, 2008, 2:26 pm PST

Thank you so much for your input

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I have to say that the list of medications you have listed as being prescribed by a physician is alarming. 

Let's take a look at what you are being prescribed:

 

Methadone- often used as a pain management medication, more commonly known for its use of opiod dependency maintenance and detox medication.  It is also highly addictive and a dangerous medication when not used correctly and with supervision.  Respiratory depression is the chief hazard associated with methadone. Methadone also stays in your system for a long time and builds up what is commonly referred to as a shelf-life...meaning when you stop taking methadone it generally takes a few days to feel the withdrawal effects.

Percocet - is a common pain medication which is a combination of Oxycodone and Acetaminophen.  Again, this is a pain medication that is highly addictive.

Lyrica - this gives me a little bit of insight to your history as this medication is prescribed for neuropathic pain associated with diabetic peripheral neuropathy.  Are you a diabetic?

Lunesta - a sleep aid which with all of the pain medications I'm surprised you are not falling on your face and into your soup.  Then we finally we get to

Tizanidine - is a muscle relaxer that reduces muscle tone in patients with spasticity for a period of several hours.

 

To the general public reading the information about your prescriptions is frightening.  However, with the medications you are taking I strongly suggest that you DO NOT stop taking anything without first finding a physician who will supervise you during detoxification!  If you are unhappy with the pain management physician and all of the medications you are taking TALK to your doctor.  If the physician does not listen WRITE A LETTER and be sure to keep a copy.  Make sure they place the letter that voices your concerns in your file.  If this physician will not listen to your concerns seek a second opinion. 

 

At some point in your medical history you must have presented to the physician as a patient in a great deal of pain.  Has the problem that took you to the physician now stopped and you want to come off the medications?  Once you present yourself to your physician as ADDICTED to the medications the level and direction of your care may change drastically.  Please start by talking to your physician and seeking the opinions of other doctors in your area.  Then have a serious discussion with yourself about whether or not you require these medications for pain management.  Many people do require legitimate assistance with chronic pain!  Do not beat yourself up if the pain is chronic and the medications are required to function.  However, taking enough medication to knock out a horse is not functioning!  If you want to stop taking the medications you will need to do so gradually.  Never discontinue a medication without first consulting your physician who will help you do it safely!  I wish you the best of luck and know that if you want it you can do it!

 

You seem to be very knowledgeable – It just seems to me that the doctors now a days like to medicate instead of finding out the cause of pain – Yes – I do have a high level of pain every day – but it seems like my health is suffering my BP in on the rise and they don’t seem to care – I’m afraid that one day – I just won’t wake up – and I’ve been on these meds for almost 3 years – I have no idea if they are doing me long term harm - 

 

Would you be willing to talk further with me?? You can e-mail me at ohfem40@yahoo.com

 

Thank you –

 
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February 7, 2008, 3:26 pm PST

problem!!!

 dr. phil, i do not know if you will ever see this. i hope so!! o have great respect for you and your opinions. i have never written to any program before, but had to today. i am a recovering drug adict. that is the opeative word, recovering. i have not done my drug of choice for 30 years. i always consider myself a recovering addict. 
enough of that. my problem with these two women  is that you would leave the children in the care of the grandmother while they are in rehab. the last thing she said to you was "i think i have always done well with the children" i beg to differ with that. it seems to me she has as many problems as the mothers. (ie:alcahol, gambling,anger issues, not under control) i really hope you reconsider her as a caretaker for these children. you always have such great insight, i rea;;y hope you reconsider her as a caregiver for these already damaged children.
well, i just had to get this thought off my chest.
keep up all the great work!!!
with great respect
sandra
 
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February 7, 2008, 4:57 pm PST

Do It, For You Both, Do It.

I watched Dr. Phil's face at the end of the show, and for me, I felt he didn't quite believe, believe that all would follow through with his advice.  I know how difficult this decision has to be for all.  No person really and truly can say when one wanted to escape pain but it is a reality in our world, it is here and if not stopped will continue in our children and our children's children.  I come from a source of pain from childhood and for many years wanted to blame my actions from that source.  Tonight, watching the pain in the faces of you two ladies, and after a long journey of healing for myself, I couldn't help but think of this comparison.  If one cuts themselves physically, deeply and needs the care of a doctor, one goes, gets stitiches, etc. but if one does not care for that wound on their own it becomes infected and once again one goes for help.  Only to find the doctor saying, well if you had of looked after this wound it would not have become infected, it would have healed.  I likened that onto my own healing, I forever went outside of myself looking for the answer, only to find it was only me that could heal the wound.  I know, how very sad when we, you and me, would not consider we caused the pain then why should we be expected to heal it.  I have no other answer other than to say, I have taken over 50 years of my life to find out it is only me, me alone that can heal the wounds within.  Not created by me for sure but I had to learn I had to be the healer.  I pray that you both find that long before I was able.  I can only say how I wish I would have had that which you are offered today, help, I cried for it, but in my era I cried very much alone.  You are now being given the chance to cry and be understood.  Please for both of your lives and the lives of your children, take all that can be given in love and support.  Warmest Regards: Judy/Nova Scotia
 
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February 7, 2008, 5:03 pm PST

02/06 Pill Popping Twins

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I think this could happen to anyone who ends up with pain and prescriptions. It happened to my late father in the 70's and 80's. He had several disc surgeries and ended up on  pain meds and he also was an alchoholic. Back then, I don't remember this being discussed in the media much, if at all. My father was always talking about young people taking drugs and getting hooked on them. Because his meds were legally prescribed he didn't consider himself being addicted. It was amazing to me and my mother that he was able to make that distinction being "illegal" and "legal" drugs and addiction. And evidently his doctors didn't worry about him being hooked either because they kept on prescribing the drugs.
I am sooo upset by what I seen and heard buy these twins!!!!!! There is no excuse for what they r doing. It seems like everybody is saying that it is ok for this to be happening but I don't think so!!! One twin is blaming her husbands doctors for her problems!!!! That is just a cop out. She knew what she was doing. And the other or even both are poor excuses for mothers!!!! I couldn't and wouldn't do that to my kids.
 
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February 7, 2008, 5:24 pm PST

too late

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I sincerely hope you never have real depression in your lifetime.....Because if you really knew what real depression is, you would not suggest "a walk in the woods or writing in a journal" to make the depression just go away!  I have had depressive episodes of such deep proportion that the only thing I would be writing in a journal is "Thank you God for helping me not kill myself today"  and I am very serious when I say that.  If it were not for my anti-depressant "pills"  I do not know where I would be today.  Thank God for those pills.  It is only people who have never truly suffered depression or real pain that would make the comments that you did.  As  I said in the beginning of my post, I hope you never know what depression is, because it is something I wouldn't wish on anyone.  Your comment about "just be lazy and take a pill"  is just ignorance on your part.  I am not trying to sound mean.   I just wish people would try to understand real illnesses and not make light of them............My depression not only affects me, it affects my family, and everything in my life! 

I have suffered from deep depression. I won't go into my life story but I have tried to take my life and the doctors tried to put me on pills. They suck, they didn't work. The only thing that did work was taking long walks in the woods, where I discovered and had long conversations with god. I learned meditation and about the soul and about forgiveness and I also learned alittle about hormones and how the brain works.  THAT is how I learned to over come it and control it. It took years and alot of hard work but it was far better health wise, mentally and spiritually to do the hard work then it was to take some dang pill that made me feel nothing. That is not a fix. It's giving in and giving up. Sorry but I am proud of the work I've done and I know that I will never fall into that pit again (and haven't after 15 years) because of what I have learned and because of how strong it made me ....If I had just taken a pill I would of been back where I started when the pill quit working or would of been a complete wreck (like a friend of mine) when I quit taking the pill. So I stand by what I said and have the life experience to back it up.

I do wish luck and strength and blessings, and please take what I said in the way it is intended, it can be done, it's not always easy but nothing worth it's weight ever is but you'll be all the better for it.

~Nixi

 
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February 7, 2008, 5:44 pm PST

I'm so happy for you

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I have suffered from deep depression. I won't go into my life story but I have tried to take my life and the doctors tried to put me on pills. They suck, they didn't work. The only thing that did work was taking long walks in the woods, where I discovered and had long conversations with god. I learned meditation and about the soul and about forgiveness and I also learned alittle about hormones and how the brain works.  THAT is how I learned to over come it and control it. It took years and alot of hard work but it was far better health wise, mentally and spiritually to do the hard work then it was to take some dang pill that made me feel nothing. That is not a fix. It's giving in and giving up. Sorry but I am proud of the work I've done and I know that I will never fall into that pit again (and haven't after 15 years) because of what I have learned and because of how strong it made me ....If I had just taken a pill I would of been back where I started when the pill quit working or would of been a complete wreck (like a friend of mine) when I quit taking the pill. So I stand by what I said and have the life experience to back it up.

I do wish luck and strength and blessings, and please take what I said in the way it is intended, it can be done, it's not always easy but nothing worth it's weight ever is but you'll be all the better for it.

Nixi

I am so happy to hear that you found a way to overcome such  a horrilbly hard time.  I, too , love to walk in the woods and find get peace there and with the Lord.  I also take medication for Obsessive cumpulsive disorder-a wonderfully (sarcasm) inherited trait from my mother.  You are  right , taking a pill won't cure everything-one does need a holistic approach.  And it sounds like you were smart to listen to your body and not take meds.  It sounds like you were , what I think is , medication resistant-where medication doesn't help.  it is a medical diagnosis.   And how wonderful that you found a way out of the abyss of depression.  But if I didn't have my medication, to right the chemical inbalance in my brain, that I have had from birth(symptoms started around 4)-I would be sick, like a diabetic would be wthout their insulin. 

You see, you are you and I am me .  What works for you can only go so far for me -or others who are clinically, physically depressed.  Please, try to take what i am saying in the way I intend it.  It can be done-for some -but some have diseases -yes diseases- that require medication. 

You should be proud of yourself!!!! I would be.  But remember , everyone's path is different and valid.
 
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February 7, 2008, 5:51 pm PST

unbelievable

I can not believe how many people have sympathy for these women.

With some obvious exceptions I don't care what adults do to each other but when you bring innocent defenseless kids into the picture all bets are off! When you have children it is no longer about you and what you want or what you need. Until those kids are grown and on their own you be the parent they need you to be. Period!

How about some compassion and hand holding for those kids!! or didn't it make anyone else cry when that poor boy was asking to go to the park????!!!!!!! Or that Yvette's daughter keeps asking when she's going to go to the judge to get her back!

I'm sorry this post is so mean but come on....I have a friend that I have known my whole life, she is bi-polar and the med's have only made her worse and worse, She had it all, a great husband, 2 kids, beautiful house, a career, and once she started taking  the pills (and the booze) she lost it all and pretty much abandoned her kids.

Right or wrong It ticks me off! And the neglect the kids went through until she finally just walked away was inexcusable; because the truth is, some doctor's and I don't think she is bi-polar she just likes the pills and the attention.

 

 

 

 
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