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(Original Air Date: 02/13/08) When people think of sexual predators, they often envision a pervert wearing a trench coat walking the streets. But research shows that a family friend, helper or relative is often the person who victimizes innocent children. Heidi was sexually molested by her stepfather, John, for 12 years. Her mother, Susan, knew it was happening because she walked in on an attack when Heidi was 9, but she stayed with her husband for years after, even as the molestation continued. When Dr. Phil confronts Susan, will she apologize to her daughter? After two decades and years of mental anguish, will Heidi receive answers from her mother? The sparks fly as mother and daughter go head to head. Will they heal their wounds and reunite? Then, the man who Heidi accused of molesting her joins the show. Find out what he reveals and why Dr. Phil doesn't believe him. And, why does Heidi say she has more respect for her abuser than her mother? The twists and turns in this story will shock you. Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

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February 9, 2008, 10:26 pm PST

02/13 Behind Closed Doors

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When I was a child I remember, vividly, the girls from elementary and Jr high who were incested and molested.
I was one of those extra responsible kids, a good listener, wise beyond my years. Kids came to me with their problems.
One girl, Ione, I will never forget.
She had run away, told police officers (who called her parents) and at age 14 demanded the raping to stop. Her mother, was a willing partner in her daughters rape. She would tell her "this is the only way your father can express how much he loves you" ...
Her father was doing some odd jobs for my mother when I found out ; and one day I saw him and our eyes met, and I gave him all the hatred I could muster up.
They left town, moved to Florida... But I have carried Ione in my heart, all these many years later.

Thank God survivors can find each other. You did NOTHING wrong. We should pray for the healing of all these courageous souls.
What a burden to carry at a young age but I know what you are talking about I was that way too.  good for you fro staring him down.


OMG on the mother  thats sick.  I hope see is on this board and reads what you wrote and knows that she wasn't forgotten.  I think it would make her feel a little better.

Good for you.
 
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February 10, 2008, 4:37 am PST

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i agree.

I don't have a story like this.  but I have a cousin i believe something like this has happened to and the rest of the family thinks it too but no one will talk to her about....well almost no one.  I have tried.  I know she lied to me.

So those of you that have been through this may I ask you to help my 18 yo cousin and save her from herself because i know this happen about three to 5 years ago.  and I am sure it was either a member of step moms family (some one in that family did it to the step mom)  or the birth mom's ex-boyfriend.

I know that this may bring a lot up for some of you but i feel in my heart that i can't just talk about this behind her back and say well I think this and I think that.  i am almost 100% this has happened but not sure how to get it out of her.

and said to say she isn't my only cousin that this has happened to. her younger sister is 15 and she was grabed by our then step grandfather.  she came to me I told her to tell and i told also.  NO WAY IT WAS GOING ANY FRUTHER!!  I hope i did the right thing.

I guess i see this as a chance to get some ideas as to how to help the beautiful woman that are in my life and that I love as if they were my own.

Ok so some may want to know way I think this about the oldest.

When she was either 13 or 15 she was wetting herself.
She blaims her sister and says she didn't protect me.  there is just about 4 years between the two.
She is acting out....umm almost like she changed over night from bright and happy to dark and sad.
there is some much I could be up all night.

I know it's a lot to ask but is there anyone that has an idea how i can get her to open up.  I came out and asked her straight in the face but she lied...i know when she lies I helped raise her from the age of 7.

And now she is talking of killing herself but doesn't know why she feels like she should live.

Thanks
Worried for her adpoted daught (cousin)

 I know you are worried about your cousin.It may be possable that your cousin doesn't remember the abuse.Out of 4 of girls(sisters) 2 of us remembered the abuse and 2 didn't.I remember ALL the details and one sister remembered nothing.I am amazed at our mind,it knows what each of us can handle and when we can let go.

   All you can do for cousin is let her know you are there for her.That she can trust you.There is so much shame in being abuse.I remember when I told somone I thought they would think it was fault that they see the bad,dirty little girl.

   If your cousin is talking about suicide then you should look into getting her help or you can a call a suicide help line and they can help you to help her.

  I know this may not help much,but the biggest thing is be there for her,let her know she has a safe place with you.

patricia

 
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February 10, 2008, 4:58 am PST

patricia

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 When I was 15 my uncle started sexually abusing me right after another uncle comitted suicide. This continued for months. He threatened me with "If you ever tell Ill kill myself too...do you think your mom could handle that?" Or "If you tell Ill go to jail and you will get sent away to a group home" The abuse started in August of '98 and in September of '98 my brother comitted suicide. My uncle used that also to have his way with me. It wasn't until feb of '99 that I told my mom. When I told my mom she did turn it in to the cops. I had to give my statement and relive every detail of that horrible experience. When they arrested my uncle he had a "Suicide attempt". He knew my mom was on call for the ambulance in that town and that she would have to care for him. After that he got sent to a mental unit for 3months. My family made me talk to attornies and detectives and tell them that he didn't mean to do it. He was just sick at the time. I was made to visit my abuser in the hospital to show he wasn't any harm. The only time he ever appologized for his actions was years later he looked my mother grandmother and everyone else in the eyes and said he was so sorry. Less then a week later he got my email address from my sister and started talking to me online. He told me how much he missed me and how good I was, Went into graphic detail about our sexual encounters together. I showed my parents the conversations and my parents printed them off and showed everyone in the family. This was suppose to show how my uncle hadn't changed. Instead it was just more shame for me. My whole family had it in black and white what we did together and how good I was at it. From the time he got out of the mental hospital 3months after reporting him to just last year I was made to spend my holidays in the same place as him. He was still welcomed into my parents' home with open arms. It was like being reabused everytime I saw my family laughing and joking with him like nothing ever happened. I am now 24 and have 3kids of my own and a husband. I vow to never ever let my children be hurt the way I was. And if for some reason I can't protect my children I could never ever be in the same area as the abuser and not want to harm them physically. How can it be OK with someone to remain close to someone who has harmed their children?

I am sorry to read what you have been through.For many years like you my father(abuser) was in my life,at many family get togethers plus we both went to same church.When I pressed the charges I had many family member tell me.To leave it alone,it happened many years ago,he changed.I later found out that thier were more and more victums.

   It was hard but I had to stand up to family and freinds and tell them he is no longer part of my life.I will not go any place that he was at.I also stopped calling him dad and now call him don(his name).

 You have the right to say NO,to your parents when they invite him over.You have the right to feel safe.Abuser are very good at manipulating people around them.

patricia

 
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February 10, 2008, 5:09 am PST

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 i dont know what to think about this country we live in anylonger,  i just watched the clip of this show and cant beleive my eyes or ears, i was glad however to hear you going off on that wanna be mother, i know thats not nice of me to say shes a wanna be mom but its the nicest thing i can think of at this moment to say about her, all i have to say is i am praying for our country as i type this message, i ask god to step in and set the records straight as only he can do, one child being molested is one too many, no child should have to be put in that situation for no one for no reason, it dont matter if the pedifile is male or female, kick there asses out to the curb and call the cops, do not look the other way and say it will go away IT WONT EVER GO AWAY AND A CHILD NEVER FORGETS!!!!!
I wonder the same thing, will it ever stop? I am thankful that this never happened to me, but it DID happen to other family members and it happened back in my own mother's time also. The only difference that I can see now, is that it is no longer acceptable. But yet, even today, there are mothers who KNOW this is happening to thier children and they either look the other way or are in denial. As a mother myself, it is so hard to understand that there are mothers who allow this to go on.
 

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February 10, 2008, 5:39 am PST

Thank you Dr Phil

Thank you Dr Phil.

 

My mother watches your show every day, this is the show I need her to watch. (I am shaking just trying to write this) My father use to go into my room as well as the washroom when I was in the shower. My mother had to have known what was going on because (I just found out) my older sister was being abused by my father when she was 15 yrs old. I was 12 1/2 yrs old. My mother moved my sister out of her room (right beside my parents room) and moved her into my room. I guess my mother didn't think he would come after me but he did. I put up with this until I was 15 yrs old, pregnant with my boyfriends baby and moved out. So I guess your show a few weeks ago was also me. I am now 41 and have had a difficult time with flashbacks among other things, but I SURVIVED.

 

Note: My father was also an alcholic with a bad temper.

 

My mother and I have a strand relationship because she just doesn't get it and she has never said I am sorry.  She said to my sister " why can't you girls get over it, he's dead". Boy do I wish you could set her straight.

There is way more to this story but it would take a long time to get into so I won't .

 

Thank you with all my heart.

Linda

 
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February 10, 2008, 6:25 am PST

I get it

I won't be watching the show but will probably read it later, watching it would be triggering but reading I can detach. I commend the woman and everyone else who has been able to confront parents and perpertraters.  My mom did the same thing, but I would never confront her.  She has spent her whole life in denial, my birth was the first thing she did right, in my grandmothers eyes.  For her to admit what she knows would either cause a major mental break, or she just couldn't. God made me stronger than her.  He gave me a way to cope as a child...though DID is not a good thing when you don't "need" it any more.  I feel like me confronting her would be worse for her than beneficial for me.  I envy those who can hear the words out of the perpertraters mouths and know that "they aren't crazy", "I didn't make it up". Which I worry about all the time.  I admire those who can ask and get their answers.
 
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February 10, 2008, 6:34 am PST

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i agree.

I don't have a story like this.  but I have a cousin i believe something like this has happened to and the rest of the family thinks it too but no one will talk to her about....well almost no one.  I have tried.  I know she lied to me.

So those of you that have been through this may I ask you to help my 18 yo cousin and save her from herself because i know this happen about three to 5 years ago.  and I am sure it was either a member of step moms family (some one in that family did it to the step mom)  or the birth mom's ex-boyfriend.

I know that this may bring a lot up for some of you but i feel in my heart that i can't just talk about this behind her back and say well I think this and I think that.  i am almost 100% this has happened but not sure how to get it out of her.

and said to say she isn't my only cousin that this has happened to. her younger sister is 15 and she was grabed by our then step grandfather.  she came to me I told her to tell and i told also.  NO WAY IT WAS GOING ANY FRUTHER!!  I hope i did the right thing.

I guess i see this as a chance to get some ideas as to how to help the beautiful woman that are in my life and that I love as if they were my own.

Ok so some may want to know way I think this about the oldest.

When she was either 13 or 15 she was wetting herself.
She blaims her sister and says she didn't protect me.  there is just about 4 years between the two.
She is acting out....umm almost like she changed over night from bright and happy to dark and sad.
there is some much I could be up all night.

I know it's a lot to ask but is there anyone that has an idea how i can get her to open up.  I came out and asked her straight in the face but she lied...i know when she lies I helped raise her from the age of 7.

And now she is talking of killing herself but doesn't know why she feels like she should live.

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Worried for her adpoted daught (cousin)

The words I always longed to hear...it's not your fault

I always think of the scene in good will hunting where he tells this to the boy over at over.  If someone had said that to me years ago, I think I would have just unfolded.  The feelings of being dirty, at fault, guilty ashamed are so strong and we feed them to ourselves constantly.  We need to hear an opposite over and over and over and over.  I'd also suggest getting her to see a counselor, offer to go with her.

 
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February 10, 2008, 9:42 am PST

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 I know you are worried about your cousin.It may be possable that your cousin doesn't remember the abuse.Out of 4 of girls(sisters) 2 of us remembered the abuse and 2 didn't.I remember ALL the details and one sister remembered nothing.I am amazed at our mind,it knows what each of us can handle and when we can let go.

   All you can do for cousin is let her know you are there for her.That she can trust you.There is so much shame in being abuse.I remember when I told somone I thought they would think it was fault that they see the bad,dirty little girl.

   If your cousin is talking about suicide then you should look into getting her help or you can a call a suicide help line and they can help you to help her.

  I know this may not help much,but the biggest thing is be there for her,let her know she has a safe place with you.

patricia

Thank you we do have her getting help for the suicide talk and i have told her all that stuff.  So i am doing the right thing.  I can't tell you how good that makes me feel.

I do think she remembers...but I think it's the shame that is making her not tell.  Thanks again.

She is ever talking of relocating to live with us.  and i think that will help as well.
Charise
 
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February 10, 2008, 9:48 am PST

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The words I always longed to hear...it's not your fault

I always think of the scene in good will hunting where he tells this to the boy over at over.  If someone had said that to me years ago, I think I would have just unfolded.  The feelings of being dirty, at fault, guilty ashamed are so strong and we feed them to ourselves constantly.  We need to hear an opposite over and over and over and over.  I'd also suggest getting her to see a counselor, offer to go with her.

Thanks I will.  It's not you fault wow how could not have thought that.  I told those  words to my other cousin when she was nearly raped (her dad told her it was her fault) and when my out step grandfather grabed her ass.  How could I have missed it with the older one.

Thanks so much.  God something so simple and I didn't think of it.  Needless to say my cousins have been through a lot and I am just trying to be a rock for them.

I am so sorry about what you went through.  and i am glad that you could help me help someone else.  I may not have had this happen to me but I am learning as much as I can as to not have this happen to my children. 

Thanks
and blessings to you from being strong enough to deal with this and tell your story.

Charise
 

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February 10, 2008, 11:08 am PST

Yes - there are thousands of us

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We are not alone Patricia....there are thousands of us.

My mother knew all along and did nothing also.  I convinced myself that it was because of having kids to feed alone if she 'did something'.  I developed MPD as a way to cope.  By the time he was arrested, there were 7 of us and my siblings were told "SHE wanted your father and I wouldn't give him up so she lied and had him taken away from us".  They believed that for MANY years.  It was very painful but eventually, they realized on their own what the 'truth' was.  They had their own 'flashbacks' and problems with drugs and alcohol.  Even though they were young, how could they (forever) forget the night he was arrested?  Caught in the act by aunts and uncles that came to visit (thanks to a call from me), me tied to the bed, police arriving with the flashing lights?  He never abused his own kids (I was a step-daughter), but because of the arrest and him going to prison, they lived their own hell.  Being the 'cause', I couldn't help them.

 

I 'divorced' myself from my 'mother' about 30 years ago (best thing I ever did for me).  I am the oldest of the brood, but have no real 'relationship' with my siblings.  None of us have a sense of 'family'.  We 'try' but for some reason, it just doesn't work.  We feel more like strangers at family funerals (about the only time we see each other).  Each of us focus on our immediate family, work hard and leave the past (and each other) 'in the past'.  When they see me, it brings back painful memories and makes me grieve for ever being born.  I finally realized the best thing I can do for them is to stay away....not hard to do since we all live in different states.  Some of them don't understand why I divorced myself from our 'mother' and I can't explain.  I am the only child from my father (he died) and feel soooo 'alone' in the world of my 'family'.

 

The multitude of issues surrounding incest go beyond most folks imagination.  Even with a show like this, I doubt most folks will ever understand the damage that is done.  I watch Dr. Phil EVERY day, but I'm not sure I can watch THIS show! 

 

I am 56, have 2 children and 2 grandchildren.  You are NOT ALONE Patricia, I understand!  I sometimes wonder about 'our generation' as it seems much more prevalent in our age group.

 

Good luck to you,

Sunny         

I too am one of those - 53 years old. My mother moved us - my 11-year-old brother and I at 4 years old - in with her boyfriend shortly after his wife died, and while she enjoyed the prestige of living with a man with a house and his own business, I had to put up with him coming into the bathroom whenever I bathed, even taking a movie of me naked in the bath. I also had to go in and scrub his back for him when he was in the bathtub. I can still remember the first time he slipped his tongue into my mouth - I was 6 - at a birthday party, when everyone was there so I couldn't do anything about it. My brother and I confronted my mother and her answer was, that we would grow up and leave her and she deserved to have someone take care of HER, so if we really loved her we had to put up with this. It endured through not being able to date as a teenager, not receive calls from boys, to not being allowed to shut my bedroom door, and him finally ordering me to bed a 7pm one evening, while telling my mother she owed him a virgin. (He refused to marry her until she was pregnant with a child by him - it took 9 years). I managed to escape being raped, but my ultimate horror was having my Mom stopping me at the door, asking me to just let him have one night !  I left and found out years later my Mom covered up by telling family and neighbors that I was involved with a motorcycle gang that broke into houses - so they wouldn't talk to me or invite me in.  In fact I had worked with police as a private investigator, then put myself through college for 3 years to become a radio news anchor, eventually national. I also went through 20 years of therapy - have a much happier life that I could have imagined, and actually work at promoting awareness of sexual abuse and domestic violence.  We can't have enough of this awareness on television, especially about the mothers who pretend they don't know - or in my case - using me as a dumping ground and scapegoat to keep her boyfriend happy until she could get pregnant and get him to marry her. 

   I also divorced myself from my mother for the past 20 years, and avoid my mother's boyfriend/husband's children. They never treated my brother and I as anything other than interlopers anyway. It was the best choice for me, and I now have wonderful friends who make up my new family. In my case, after what happened, I never wanted to be married or have children. But I have many children I love in my life in my new and healthy 'family'.

  I don't know if this will wake many of the women up - but PLEASE Dr. Phil, please send out a message to those terrified kids afraid they won't be loved if they talk or don't give in - PLEASE tell them to talk to someone they can trust, that they really don't have to do this to be loved! And also, thank-you for addressing this on national television. We can't hear this enough, even though it brings up horrible memories of betrayal and abandonment for some of us. Thank-you Dr. Phil.

C.

 

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