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(Original Air Date: 02/13/08) When people think of sexual predators, they often envision a pervert wearing a trench coat walking the streets. But research shows that a family friend, helper or relative is often the person who victimizes innocent children. Heidi was sexually molested by her stepfather, John, for 12 years. Her mother, Susan, knew it was happening because she walked in on an attack when Heidi was 9, but she stayed with her husband for years after, even as the molestation continued. When Dr. Phil confronts Susan, will she apologize to her daughter? After two decades and years of mental anguish, will Heidi receive answers from her mother? The sparks fly as mother and daughter go head to head. Will they heal their wounds and reunite? Then, the man who Heidi accused of molesting her joins the show. Find out what he reveals and why Dr. Phil doesn't believe him. And, why does Heidi say she has more respect for her abuser than her mother? The twists and turns in this story will shock you. Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

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February 12, 2008, 10:51 pm PST

Didn't matter...

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It still amazes me to think that there are so many of us out here - and yet each of us feels alone.  It happened to me and my mother knew.  She told me I had to say "no."  This of course made me feel responsible for what had happened.  I grew up thinking that it didn't matter - that my feelings and my body didn't matter.  My mother was more worried about offending the family that was responsible than making sure I was safe.  She continued to allow me to go there to "play."  For many years I was numb to what had happened, but another recent life stressor has brought out the memories and feelings I didn't know I had.  The flashbacks, nightmares and panic attacks are unbelievable to me.  I know in my head where they come from, but still the effect of what happened so long ago continues to shock me.

My abuse was not secret - it happened in a living room, in front of others.  And it happened to many little girls.  The mother of the house did nothing, my mother did nothing, the other mothers did nothing...Now that I have a daughter of my own this is shocking to me!  I can't imagine allowing her to be in such a scary place.  But it shows you how difficult it is to deal with this issue.  The secrecy is everywhere and it leaves the children feeling responsible and vulnerable.

So to all of you reading this - you are not alone.  It doesn't solve the problem.  It doesn't stop the panic or anxiety or depression.  It doesn't even help it make sense - but remember it was the adult's responsibility to fix this - not the child's. 

And all of you who can break the silence - I am amazed at your courage.

AMEN Sister!
 
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February 13, 2008, 1:07 am PST

02/13 Behind Closed Doors

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  My heart goes out to Heidi.  Susan is in denial and was NOT a good loving Mother-there is no excuse!!!!

When my Uncle molested me ,and my Mother found out-she came unglued-she called him over and sent me out side and when he came out his face was red as a beat.  That was a start, but she did not go to the police-she said in those days, the girl was always to blame and got the bad name not the molester!  But at least it never happened again.  Susan just wants to justify herself and not accept her part that she did NOT protect her daughter and let it keep happening and stayed with the husband-molester-there is just NO excuse for this.       Heidi is better off with out her Mother(-if you want to call her Mother.)  She does NOT need this kind of person in her life-at least not until she sees the LIGHT and admits her mistakes without any excuses or BUTS.  Heidi will be in my prayers!

  I don't see how anyone could say Susan is in denial. I thought for the previews she agreed that she walked in on them and knows what she saw. I could never figure out why they should lock the kids up and let the criminals run free until I read a book called Courage to Heal  yes it said  I think in the 60's 70's it was the kids fault. later in the 80's 90's they decided it was the mothers fault. and the kids and offenders were OK.

   I had a neighbor a few years ago that had a family violence problem and his commanding officer wouldn't allow him in housing. The family could stay there until she filed for divorce so she could re-marry.  As long as she didn't divorce and lived on base it was the Commanding officer's responsibility to protect the family. When she signs the divorce papers is she becomes the mom.  I know Dr Phil will probably yell at Susan tomorrow and you wonder why they don't want to go to the police and  file divorce papers so they can remarry the first hour it happens.  I would guess since he is supposed to be on the show the offender would be convicted. Well he'd be pretty dumb to go on national  TV and say he did a crime if he wasn't convicted. Maybe someday the police. will be responsible to serve and protect the family like the base Commander and not so much the mother, child or some other family member.  Heidi would be old enough to make a choice to see her mother maybe go out to lunch or just not go visit or invite her over. Rather or not Dr Phil proves her mother guilty or not it would still be better for Heidi to forgive her mother.  I was asked recently if I forgave any family members I might have. .  I was taught  forgiveness  something private like in church when you go to confession. No priest would go on national TV in order to get a confession.  God forgives. When I went to mental health to find out what was wrong with me they never mentioned forgiveness.  I also think I have too buzzy defending myself that it just hasn't occurred to me that I should forgive anyone. Probably about as close that I can come is to pray at night that God will forgive them.  Tonight I'll include Heidi, Susan, you and the other people posting. to this topic.

 
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February 13, 2008, 4:48 am PST

You're in my thoughts and prayers!

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When my daughter was born, we didn't have tests to determine the sex of our baby before it was born.  When I held that pink bundle in the pink blanket, my heart just sang...and then it dropped.  Instantly the 'fear' set in..."what if....".  I can't tell you how closely I watched her and feared for her.  If my husband was in the room with her alone - I rushed to her side.  Did I think he would abuse her?  No...but from experience, I knew that an abuser can 'look like" every other stand up citizen!

 

I became paranoid!  When she started school I watched her like a hawk.  As she grew, I worried almost constantly (as if a mother doesn't worry enough) and there were a few times I actually accused my husband of being 'inappropriate' with her.  They both looked at me like I had 10 heads.  But EVERY day I looked at the sweet innocence of my beautiful little girl and wondered "how could they?"  How could ANYONE use ANY child like that?

 

Like you said here...IF anything had happened to her...that SOB would be DEAD!  I was just as protective with my son...it happens to boys too!  Long before the days of "good touch/bad touch"...I taught my kids that and stressed how important it was for them to come to me with ANYTHING...even a 'bad feeling' about someone.

 

How could ANYTHING be more important that protecting your child?  I would rather my child be hungry and cold than abused.  Sound crazy?  Not if you have been abused!  I could find food and shelter...that would be a temporary condition...but abuse is a LIFETIME and you can never feel warm or feed the hole in your heart.  We don't 'own' our children...they are loaned to us to love and nurture until they can make it on their own.  It's a heavy responsibility...but begins at the moment of conception.  HOW can a 'parent' (or any adult) put a helpless child in the vile position of sexual perversion?  How can a mother (or any other adult that knows) 'walk away' and leave the child helpless to endure?  WHAT earthly posession or fame could be worth that?  To me....there is NO excuse 'good enough'.

 

In the previews, Dr. Phil mentions that the mother didn't even say she was sorry.  In my opinion...it's a little late for that!  Saying you are sorry is easy - you're off the hook...WRONG.  The time to be 'sorry' was when she walked in and caught him!  She should have scooped that little girl up and RAN with her - got somewhere that the girl could have felt safe and called the police!  And while waiting for the police, she should have cuddled her and assured her that NO ONE would EVER hurt her again, it wasn't her fault, etc.   Mine didn't do that and from what I see on these boards - most don't.

 

Here's the other rub.  My step-father was a production worker in a factory when he was arrested and sent to prison.  When he came out seven years later, he had an education and was a heavy duty equipment operator (bulldozers, cranes, etc.), making VERY good money.  For those seven years, he got his 3 squares, a warm bed, an education and job training so that when he came out...he was 'set'.  Our tax dollars paid for that.  Meanwhile, we lived in a drafty house, 3 to a bed and never knew if we would eat that day.  Every day we went to school where everyone stared, pointed and whispered.  Every Sunday we went to church in our hand-me-down clothes and got the same, plus the pity looks.  Folks would meet my mother at her car with bags of hand-me-downs and sometimes food.  It was embarrassing and humiliating.  No matter what he endured in prison, I believe we endured worse.  And my 'mother' was never held responsible for ANYTHING.  To society, she was the 'saint'.  They never asked at the police station if she knew so no one was aware that she knew for YEARS (most of my life).  She paid her dues by raising 7 kids on her own?  NOT!!!  There are plenty of women that do that because of divorce or death, it's what you do as a mother!  Her day will come?  Will it?

 

Like others that have written here - I have forgiven them so that I can let go of the pain and hate but I will NEVER FORGET the betrayal, neglect and sacrifice of my innocence...not to mention what it did to my mind.  I'm still on my healing journey and sometimes it seems like one step forward- two steps back.  It's a constant struggle to believe I am worth a grain of salt. 

 

About 15 years ago, I returned to the town we lived in when I was young to visit one of my step-fathers (I had many).  While there, I went to visit a neighbor that I dearly loved.  When she saw me get out of the car she came running outside and dropped to her knees on the ground in front of me, tears flowin down her cheeks, begging me to "forgive her".  I looked at my step-father in astonishment...what was she talkin about?  Through her sobs she told me that she suspected (because of my demeanor) and tried to get help for me.  She was laughed at by the police and the preacher and asked if she was jealous or just a nosey old bat.  She tried several times and was treated the same.  We moved away after her 3rd attempt.  I can't begin to explain how guilty I felt for what she had gone through.  After our visit, my step-father told me that she became a drunk rite after we moved and now he knew what ate at her all those years.  I can only pray I was able to convince her she had nothing to forgive and I thanked her over and over for the love she had that made her 'try' (more than my mother did!).  She died less than a year later.  What a watchful and loving person to have at least tried to help me without knowing for sure. 

 

It's good that this topic is being done, folks need to know and be watchful, but it tears the scab off a very big wound for those of us that lived it.  I hope Heidi gets something from doing the show because I know I could never do it!  I couldn't even be in the room with her when my sister was dieing of leukemia!  And I know that an "I'm sorry" wouldn't be enough for me.  I'm MUCH better off being thousands of miles away from her and NOTHING to do with her.  It was the most empowering decision I ever made - one she has never 'understood'.  It took awhile, but I became a better mother when mine was out of my life.  It's not the rite decision for everyone, but for some it is.

 

Sunny        

 I read so much pain here and I am so sorry!  Thank you for your courage to write.  I know it's not easy to do this.  I've been writing and talking to others about my own story for 3 years now and it's never easy.  Please know that you are not alone.  Please know that making choices like the ones you've made about your mother are good choices.  It's a huge part of the healing process to set healthy boundaries and sometimes that means cutting off the relationship.

I've started a blog and it really helps to get it out.  I've also started reading blogs of others who are survivors and that helps tremendously.  It helps me to feel like I am not alone on this healing journey.  If it helps, you can check it out at www.blog.real-grace.org.  I will continue to pray for you as you move along on your healing journey.

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February 13, 2008, 5:10 am PST

my "mother"

Yes...I hope my mother will watch the show...hope in one hand.....she will not!!  She was looking the other way in the 70's...she's still looking the other way today!!
 
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February 13, 2008, 5:18 am PST

DR Phil.....our lives

Can you see there are so many of us that cannot watch the show even if we had the strength...we have all that stored in little boxes in our brains and believe me after being seen by so many Doctors. Part of us wants our story told, some of us can not hear it!  Thank you in your efforts but some of us are not reachable......the pain is far too great
 
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February 13, 2008, 6:25 am PST

i can't believe this lady

how can this woman say that her daughter does not remember and that she does when she keeps saying she had a mental break down and
 
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February 13, 2008, 6:36 am PST

Heidi, Go in Peace

   Heidi, you dear girl.  I'm so sorry for what happened to you.  But, without knowing your mother except for what she's presenting, I have to say that your mother is a narcissist who will always think of herself first.  Sweet girl, I hope you can find some peace with people who really true love you and really truly want to help you find a happy life.  I hope you can find an older woman who will do nice things for you and talk to you and share her wisdom with you.  Your mother cannot be a mother because she is so involved with her pain and her experience.  No mother can put herself first, no mother.  Sweet Heidi, love your children and your life and don't let this woman come near your children.  Peace.
 
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February 13, 2008, 6:39 am PST

Off with their heads

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As a victim of this horrible unpunished crime...I hope at least some victims stop having this happen to them from this show... Its terrible that most animals are better parents then humans...Mothers who overlook incest and fathers who do incest do not deserve to be parents or grandparents.

I have read all of the posts and it breaks my heart to see such pain.

 

To the perverts and those that turn a blind eye:

 

You are equally guilty in destroying a childs life. Both of you should be thrown in jail for the rest of your lives. I believe in guilty by association so the mothers who chose the pervert over their own child are sickos too.

 

Nope i won't watch this show unless of course there will be police there to escort both of them off the stage and to the nearest jail. Talking about the crap isn't making them pay for what they did and I surely don't see how it will help the victim knowing these animals will go on with their lives without consequences for what they did.

 

No siree bob...OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!

 
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February 13, 2008, 6:46 am PST

Stepfathers

 

Why is it that you see so many stepfathers accused of molestation? The word "stepfather" has this immediate negative undertone- unfair to the stepparents who aren't perverts.  Why do some stepfathers have a predilection towards molestation?  I wonder if a study was done on the factors and behavioral patterns that predicate sexual abuse in the stepparent relationships.

 

 

 
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February 13, 2008, 6:51 am PST

To Heidi

Heidi just watch Susan's actions and don't listen to her words.  I believe right now that Susan's life is still only about herself and she can't even see you.  I believe she feels some guilt or she wouldn't be so defensive but I also believe she is trying to make what she did -okay- and that is why she wants your forgiveness.  It's all about her.  Beware.

 

So just go on with your life  Heidi, and peace be with you.  You don't need Susan to be well.  Good luck to you, I wish you a life where you walk among the daisies. Smile

 
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