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(Original Air Date: 02/13/08) When people think of sexual predators, they often envision a pervert wearing a trench coat walking the streets. But research shows that a family friend, helper or relative is often the person who victimizes innocent children. Heidi was sexually molested by her stepfather, John, for 12 years. Her mother, Susan, knew it was happening because she walked in on an attack when Heidi was 9, but she stayed with her husband for years after, even as the molestation continued. When Dr. Phil confronts Susan, will she apologize to her daughter? After two decades and years of mental anguish, will Heidi receive answers from her mother? The sparks fly as mother and daughter go head to head. Will they heal their wounds and reunite? Then, the man who Heidi accused of molesting her joins the show. Find out what he reveals and why Dr. Phil doesn't believe him. And, why does Heidi say she has more respect for her abuser than her mother? The twists and turns in this story will shock you. Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

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July 24, 2008, 7:55 pm PDT

Hits close to home!

 

I have never in my life responded publicly to a TV show, but just couldn't help myself after watching today's show!

 

I, too, was abused by my stepfather from the ages of 7 to about 16. To most outsiders my step-father was a "savior", relieving my mom of the burden of raising two children on her own. But what went on "Behind Closed Doors" (a brilliant title, by the way) was too much for most people to believe. My step-father's advances towards me were rather subtle at first although I knew they just didn't "feel right". As I got older and started to mature, the advances became more frequent and more blatant. I even recall making an entry in my diary, around the age of 10, that I thought  that I was being sexually abused. As the years went on,  maintaining a normal, teenage lifestyle became more and more challenging for me. I ultimately became unstable enough that I was admitted to a psychiatric unit for fear that I would harm myself. While in the hospital and at one of our family visits one Sunday afternoon, a nurse walked by my room and noticed that the my step-father was maybe a bit too "affectionate" towards me and that I looked really uncomfortable. She did me the favor of bringing it up to my counselor and they later asked me if it was something that I wanted to bring up at our next family meeting. Part of me was very apprehensive about breeching the subject because I always had that fear that I was exasperating the situation. On the other hand, I was relieved because I truly wanted to feel comfortable in my family and , after all, my step-father had always said I could talk  to him about anything! Well, I chose to go ahead with the confrontation and it didn't bode well. Mind you, at this point, no one knew to what extent  my step-father's affections had gone. This was just an attempt to make him acknowledge my personal space. He didn't react well to this and took it  very offensively. In fact, when my mom and step-father left that afternoon, I asked my step-father for a hug and all he could offer was a hand-shake. This was probably the hardest part of the whole process because I knew at that point I had opened the door to a big secret. When I finally went home from the hospital, it was the beginning to a very difficult year. Not only did my step-father refuse to acknowledge my presence, he made sure that no one else in my family accept me either. My brother and step-brother thought I was a freak and for my mother to give me any sort of attention was a sin in our household.  At the age of 17 I finally broke down and went to my high school guidance counselor when I got to the point where I couldn't sit through one class period without suffering from extreme anxiety. After about a week or two of consulting with my guidance counselor regularly, I had finally revealed enough for him to take further legal action.

 

Of course, my mother was called to come to the school so they could inform her of the situation. The authorities made us aware that form that point on, my step-father and I could not legally co-habit ate. I just knew that my mom would never forgive me if I chose to have him removed from our home, so I chose to, at the age of 17, to get my own place and do what I had to do to graduate high school and support myself.

 

Although at the time I thought it was quite noble of my mom to offer to help pay my rent, I later realized that the truly noble thing to do would have been to kick my step-father out of the house. But like Heidi, and I'm sure many others, my step-father was the bread-winner and I think my mom just didn't want to go back to being a single mom struggling to support her two kids. (My brother is the other child in the picture here and, trust me, he didn't leave this situation unscathed!)

 

By shear determination, I did graduate and at the age of 18, moved back home. Of course, this was only because my mom had finally decided to divorce my step-father. She didn't, however, make this decision because of what he did to me (and my brother). She actually found out that he had cheated on her on more than one occasion (it was one of his jaded mistresses who ratted him out to my mom).

 

After about a year of living back at home, I decided to join some friends in a major city. Being from rural Maine, I thought that living in a city and getting away from all the bad memories would be healthy.

I ended up meeting my now husband and having our two children. It wasn't until we had our first child that I really started feeling resentment towards my mom. It was then that I realized what it means to love a child of your own and the lengths you would go to protect them. For years I was able to speak to my mom on the phone and really feel a sense of homesickness. However, I found that when we would go to visit in person, I would feel very angry towards her. It took me a while to realize why I had these feelings.....

 

A couple of years ago I confronted my mom as to why she chose to stay with a man who felt it was necessary to completely break her children down. She didn't have a definitive answer for me. I think she was just afraid.......

 

This past October my mom was diagnosed with a cancer called "multiple myoloma". She died February 1, 2008, just two weeks short of her 60th birthday. I have forgiven my mom for the mistakes she made. I certainly wouldn't repeat them, but I can;t spend my life being angry at her.

 

 

 
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July 24, 2008, 8:17 pm PDT

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I have never in my life responded publicly to a TV show, but just couldn't help myself after watching today's show!

 

I, too, was abused by my stepfather from the ages of 7 to about 16. To most outsiders my step-father was a "savior", relieving my mom of the burden of raising two children on her own. But what went on "Behind Closed Doors" (a brilliant title, by the way) was too much for most people to believe. My step-father's advances towards me were rather subtle at first although I knew they just didn't "feel right". As I got older and started to mature, the advances became more frequent and more blatant. I even recall making an entry in my diary, around the age of 10, that I thought  that I was being sexually abused. As the years went on,  maintaining a normal, teenage lifestyle became more and more challenging for me. I ultimately became unstable enough that I was admitted to a psychiatric unit for fear that I would harm myself. While in the hospital and at one of our family visits one Sunday afternoon, a nurse walked by my room and noticed that the my step-father was maybe a bit too "affectionate" towards me and that I looked really uncomfortable. She did me the favor of bringing it up to my counselor and they later asked me if it was something that I wanted to bring up at our next family meeting. Part of me was very apprehensive about breeching the subject because I always had that fear that I was exasperating the situation. On the other hand, I was relieved because I truly wanted to feel comfortable in my family and , after all, my step-father had always said I could talk  to him about anything! Well, I chose to go ahead with the confrontation and it didn't bode well. Mind you, at this point, no one knew to what extent  my step-father's affections had gone. This was just an attempt to make him acknowledge my personal space. He didn't react well to this and took it  very offensively. In fact, when my mom and step-father left that afternoon, I asked my step-father for a hug and all he could offer was a hand-shake. This was probably the hardest part of the whole process because I knew at that point I had opened the door to a big secret. When I finally went home from the hospital, it was the beginning to a very difficult year. Not only did my step-father refuse to acknowledge my presence, he made sure that no one else in my family accept me either. My brother and step-brother thought I was a freak and for my mother to give me any sort of attention was a sin in our household.  At the age of 17 I finally broke down and went to my high school guidance counselor when I got to the point where I couldn't sit through one class period without suffering from extreme anxiety. After about a week or two of consulting with my guidance counselor regularly, I had finally revealed enough for him to take further legal action.

 

Of course, my mother was called to come to the school so they could inform her of the situation. The authorities made us aware that form that point on, my step-father and I could not legally co-habit ate. I just knew that my mom would never forgive me if I chose to have him removed from our home, so I chose to, at the age of 17, to get my own place and do what I had to do to graduate high school and support myself.

 

Although at the time I thought it was quite noble of my mom to offer to help pay my rent, I later realized that the truly noble thing to do would have been to kick my step-father out of the house. But like Heidi, and I'm sure many others, my step-father was the bread-winner and I think my mom just didn't want to go back to being a single mom struggling to support her two kids. (My brother is the other child in the picture here and, trust me, he didn't leave this situation unscathed!)

 

By shear determination, I did graduate and at the age of 18, moved back home. Of course, this was only because my mom had finally decided to divorce my step-father. She didn't, however, make this decision because of what he did to me (and my brother). She actually found out that he had cheated on her on more than one occasion (it was one of his jaded mistresses who ratted him out to my mom).

 

After about a year of living back at home, I decided to join some friends in a major city. Being from rural Maine, I thought that living in a city and getting away from all the bad memories would be healthy.

I ended up meeting my now husband and having our two children. It wasn't until we had our first child that I really started feeling resentment towards my mom. It was then that I realized what it means to love a child of your own and the lengths you would go to protect them. For years I was able to speak to my mom on the phone and really feel a sense of homesickness. However, I found that when we would go to visit in person, I would feel very angry towards her. It took me a while to realize why I had these feelings.....

 

A couple of years ago I confronted my mom as to why she chose to stay with a man who felt it was necessary to completely break her children down. She didn't have a definitive answer for me. I think she was just afraid.......

 

This past October my mom was diagnosed with a cancer called "multiple myoloma". She died February 1, 2008, just two weeks short of her 60th birthday. I have forgiven my mom for the mistakes she made. I certainly wouldn't repeat them, but I can;t spend my life being angry at her.

 

 

i fell sorry for you if you went to talk about it mail me i will help you if any one did that two my nice i wood  hurt them  im here for you
 
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July 24, 2008, 8:35 pm PDT

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I am screaminbg at the television!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I am listening to mom and Heidi, I know where you are!!  Please make sure Heidi gets to see this, Dr. Phil.

Oh I'm listening to this and I am exploding!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The very same thing happened to me .. at age 5 my mother walked in on my Dad molesting me.  Her explanation to this day is she had 2 other children and she just did not understand.  She did get me out of the bathtub where the deed was done while my 3 yr. old brother was also in the tub, and pushd me into my room, and about an hour later their bedsprings were creaking and I was in the closet sucking my thumb and nobody checked on me til the next morning. I had peed and pooped my pants and couldn't talk and I wasn't exactly mothered for several weeks.  I know that she figured I would forget it, because that's what she has told me.

Well that was the first time.

I was molested again at 11 by the father of my aunt's husband.  My mother humiliated me in front of the uncle.  And he laughed and said there was something wrong with me.

Then at 13 my father chased me trough the house demanding and beating me into taking off an offending sweatshrt when he knew I only had 2 bras and they were both in the wash.  My mother came into my bedroom where he had me cornerein my closet (yes closet again) and he had gotten me to take off the sweatshirt.  She caught him again!!!  She screamed and got him out of the room and nothing was said to me at all, she never came to me at all, and I climbed out my bedroom window and decided to go die under a bridge.  It got cold and I came back home and the doors were locked and my mother answered the door when I knocked.  She sent me to bed and did not even express alarm that I had been gone, she didn't even know 4 hours later that I wasn't even there.

I was sent to school on Monday as if nothing happened, and when I got home that afternoon, there were 5 new bras on the end of my bed.  THAT WAS IT.

To this day my mother says by that time she had 5 children and would not be able to take care of us without him being there......................TO THIS DAY SHE SAYS SHE DIDN'T UNDERSTAND.

Heidi, I hope you read this.  I don't have a chip either, but my reality was called into question even when my mother caught him ... my father....molesting me a second time.  I'm 57 years old today, my birthday, and here is Heidi who lived through worse than me and I'm wishing I could throttle her mother and put my arms around Heidi and tell her I know, honey, I know, and worse was done to her than  to me.

I have been vomiting regularly since age 11 and have esophogeal damage, acid reflux and three surgeries for hernias.  I am so hypervigilant that if someone comes up to my desk at work and I don't hear or see them coming, I shriek,.  Doors opening suddenly terrify me in the same way.  I'm claustrophobic and pace alot and fight the need to flee any conflict and go under a bridge.  So I am not going to say anything more except one interesting thing is this......I hold more against my mother than I do against my perpetrators.  Her job was to protect me.  And  "I didn't understand" will never EVER be an excuse. And to this day if we ever discuss anything personal and this comes up, she continues to say the same thing.  And then I can't have anything to do with her for years afterward. 

Oh, and by the way, two of my siblings were homosexuals, a brother who died from burketts and a sister who committed vehicular suicide,. and the brother who was in the bathtub incident was accused of molesting one of his adopted edaughers.  Another  brother raped 5yrs younger brother (and no help then either), attempted to rape my sister and tried to kill me and my two kids (again Mommy didn't know what to do).  This happened so many years ago, but today I lived all of it again and am living it again.  Heidi, I feel for you and if I can't feel with you I certainly have empathy and I expect Dr. Phil to follow up all the way through with you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My children never got all of me, no husband has ever got all of me, and  more important of all, I never will get all of me.....and I totally reject Heidi's  mom still saying she does not understand molestation..................love a woman who was once a child.........

I'm so sorry this happened to you.

The hyper vigilance and vomiting I totally relate too. I see people out of the corner of my eye who aren't really there and jump out of my skin. My psychologist called these incidents trauma markers.

My family is still in abusive mode, even though I'm now sixty years old. It's nauseating.

Go directly to the best help you can afford, and don't quit learning. There is excellent information out there, and the kindest people you ever will meet.

 You need to parent yourself, because no one else in your family will do it for you. If my family could just erase me, they would.

There are many excellent books to read by brave people who've been abused.

Laura Davis helped me tremendously, because she was brave enough to write about her experience. I don't know how she found the strength.

I have a wonderful family now with my third husband and his dear children and our grand children. I keep going back to my family of origin to try to have a relationship, but it always ends with days of feeling like I want to vomit.

I don't blame my siblings.

Please don't give up.

You had a horrible childhood and family. It just happened that you were born to them.

Find help and learn how to have happiness. It is possible. It is hard work, but so much better than what you're dealing with now.


 
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July 24, 2008, 8:51 pm PDT

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not all things can or should be healed. Some things are what they are

teach her to move on

with out her mother and step father.
it is about protection a life time of getting out of the poison...

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It is indeed  totally about moving away from the poison.

It's hard to do, because I always want to return to my birth family and fix things, but they aren't interested in being fixed.

Moving on to a better life is what I've been working on for 20 years, and I have the best family in the whole world now.

It's very hard to accept that your mom and dad and siblings are happier when you aren't around. Or if you are around, you'd better keep your mouth shut or else. 

You said it in fewer words than I can.

God bless you.
 
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July 24, 2008, 8:53 pm PDT

criminal child sexual molestation is a

syndrome of secrecy. While I usually admire your position and thoughts, you took a detour into the ditch on this one, Dr Phil.

Absolutely, this mother is responsible for protecting each and every child in her care.

But, how do you doubt that military personnel--lightly if at all trained in these matters--might try to find an expedient resolution to a matter that stirs up so many feelings in us all, resulting in the many forms of denial? Some forms of denial in this area include of: FACTS, AWARENESS, IMPACT, AND RESPONSIBILITY.

The record is replete with children who have told someone--mayhaps their teacher, priest, preacher, coach, babysitter--who minimized what they said, or simply ignored it altogether. It happens every single day.

How else do you explain the huge problem in the Catholic church? If these situations are so obvious, why do we even have an issue with an epidemic of child sexual inappropriateness? Your logic doesn't add up.

If the military personnel in fact believed that a member of their "tribe" had sexually assaulted a child, as you insist, why did they not bring charges against this man? Aren't they mandated reporters?

These people who sexually assault children are not monsters; IT IS WORSE, they are humans with monstrous parts. These are humans with desire for control and connection, love and potency. Typical human tendencies end up exploiting the most vulnerable, innocent, and trusting among us.

Please, reconsider.

Karen
 

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July 24, 2008, 8:58 pm PDT

the mother of an abused child

I am the mother of an abused child.  I did what this mother did not do.  I took my child and got out of there.  I had been to court and they treated me as a revengful ex-wife.  I took my child to a doctor, and a psychologist, both of whom advised me to get the child out of there.  I did.  My ex-husband had the FBI hunt me down.  Fortunately I was in a different country and that country took responsibility for my child and would not allow the father to take him away from me.  I did, however, have to allow the child to visit his father after he was 14.  Now the father has convinced him that I was to blame for all the abuse and some counselor told my son (now 31) that I ceased being his mother when I took him away from his father.  My son has shut me out of his life and his son's life.  The last time I saw my grandson was his third birthday and he will be 6 in 8 weeks.  I cannot see that the horror, pain and suffering,much less the separation from my family etc. did me or my son any good.  The results are exactly the same as this woman faces now.  I have no relationship with my child.

     I am certainly not suggesting that mothers should not protect their children, and if I had it to do over again I would do the same as I did.  But I also think that until you have walked in that person's "moccosins" you have absolutely no idea what you would do.  You can say you would do this or that but you do not know what you would do if the situation came to you. 

     When I discovered the abuse, which I later discovered went way beyond sexual, I had NO IDEA how to report it, what to do, where to turn.  I threw up day and night for four days before I finally figured out I could take him to the doctor and maybe she could help me.  It was a holiday weekend and the doctor was not in her office for four days.  I know now that I should have taken him immediately to the emergency room, but at that time I had no idea where to turn.

    The pediatrition, my babysitter, my personal doctor, and the psychologist I took my son to, all wrote letters to the court, and the court's reply was that it was evedent this child was being hurt but they couldn't tell where it was coming from.  I BEGGED and BEGGED them to do an investigation and they said it would cost too much money for just one child. 

     I did my best to save my child, but I lost him anyway.

 

 
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July 24, 2008, 9:00 pm PDT

YOU JUST DON'T GET IT

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PLEASE, i beg you to tell that face to face to a victim

IT IS NOT JUST THE ABUSE THAT IS POISONING THE VICTIMS LIVES.

it's THE ANGER,HATE,RAGE AND THE FEELING OF BEING BETRAYED.

 

A CHILD: NO MATTER WHAT/OR HOW OLD. NEEDS  THE LOVE OF THEIR PARENTS.I TRULY BELIEVE IF THESE PARENTS COULD STOP TRYING TO EXPLAIN HOW THEY COULD HAVE BEEN SO WRONG. START EXPRESSING THEIR REMORSE: FOR THEIR FAILURES. AND HOW PAINFUL IT IS TO KNOW THEY HAVE HURT THEIR CHILD.VALIDATING THE CHILD PAIN, SO THE CHILD CAN THEN SAY"OK, THEY KNOW WHAT THEY HAVE DONE. NOW IT'S THEIR PROBLEM !~! I AM FREE OF IT!

 

the MINUTE THAT THE VICTIM CAN SAY "i FORGIVE, i GIVE UP ALL THIS POISON. I WILL FROM THIS MOMENT ON LIVE MY LIFE WITH SELF LOVE.WILL THE VICTIM BE FREE AND ABLE TO LIVE HER LIFE IN BEAUTY /

 
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July 24, 2008, 9:14 pm PDT

Militarily help

My sister and I were raped and sexually abused for years by our brother. Our mother just told us to play some place else when we told her what was happening. She wasn’t any help at all! When we decided to file charges against him we looked for months for records of counseling and medical records about what we went through and proof of all of our back ground lives. Such as dates of where we lived and what dates we were abused and if we had any witnesses. We had to look for our doctors, teachers and schools records we went too. It took us months to find as much information as we could. We were interviewed a few times each together and by ourselves with the police and detectives who worked on the case for us. When we thought we had all the information it was sent to the courts so we could press charges. But because our brother was in the militarily he had his butt covered and we couldn't press charges against him. So we had to drop the charges. Not just because he lived in FL and we lived in MA but because the service doesn’t want to give us any dates for us. As far as we know that is as far as we can go now. Even though we think he has abused more then just us and we wonder if we can’t save others now because the courts have stopped us from going any where with the charges.

So when that mother said she didn't get help from the militarily I believe her! We couldn’t get help in 2005! I’m sure she didn’t get help back then if she tried! I don’t think she tried to help her children like she should have but before saying you don’t believe that she is lying about asking for help from the militarily and not getting it check it out! When that girl was 9 years old, there wasn’t much help out there anyway not just the militarily. Abuse was hush hushed back then with everyone and wasn’t talked about so not to many people knew how to handle it. But even now that it is more open and not hush hushed like it once was the militarily will still hide it.

The militarily protects their men even now when more and more of the abuse is coming out! If you want we will give you the names of the police and detectives if want to check this information out! The abuse was around the 70’s and over 20 years so part of it was the time issues but we were still in the range when we could press charges because he had moved out of the state before out time ran out. So if the militarily didn’t save his butt we would have put him in jail if we could have.

 
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July 24, 2008, 9:17 pm PDT

Above All Take Care Of Your Children

     Today is the second time I watched today's show and I am still appalled.  First off being 27 years old when molestation happened to your child is not an excuse!!! "I was 27...I was just a kid." WHAT???  I was 20 years old when I had my first child and if I had walked in on my husband molesting my daughter I would have strung him up by the telephone pole and let the police handle him from there. Not to mention I would travel 1000, or 1 million miles to get my daughter away from that!  How could someone put $ before her children?  I would live in a cardboard box to give my children a better life.  Seriously Susan...You caught your husband in the act and you did nothing? "I didn't think it would continue."  Where is your common sense?  Wasn't there some part of your mind that told you, that this is wrong, I need to do what ever it takes to take care of my children. How do you not hug and console your child after that?  Heidi had every right to have an attitude and Susan should accept and understand that. If Susan could take a step back and put herself in her daughter's shoes maybe she could quit playing the martyr.  Susan needs to take ownership of her part in the whole equation. It is not Heidi's fault.

     "John"...Seems the typical answers of someone that has done a great wrong. "My memory is fading"  Your memory doesn't fade when you have committed such a heinous crime against your daughter. Step-daughter or not, you do not forget. You "John" committed an unbelievable crime against a child!  Heidi bringing a friend to the house to be a part of it. Ya right! I have not met a 5, 9, 11 etc...year old that has the thought process to do such an adult thing. You didn't forget "John" you just have no remorse for what you have done!

     Everyone in this situation needs to focus their anger to the proper place.

     Forgiveness will free you!  Your life can start fresh with out content and hatred, with forgiveness and TALKING!!!

     Above all, ALWAYS take care of our children, so crimes like this can stop and their children have a better chance of not going through this. We are the ones that can give our children the lives they deserve. We are their protectors, their teachers and the ones they look to for everything. Be strong and stand your ground. Your children are your future too.

    

 
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July 24, 2008, 9:29 pm PDT

A mother who threw him out

25 years ago I heard my  (4 years old) scream in the early morning. When I asked her what was wrong she told me her daddy her hurt her with the the thing he pees with. When I confronted him( who went to take a shower), he said yes he did but she was trying to help him stop doing that anymore. I immediately told him he was sick and get out of our house NOW.

 

I never would have allowed this man, who I had been married to for 12 years, have the opportunity to do this again.

 

He was allowed to plea bargain, (not by me!) he used our house for his bail.(again without my knowledge)

and served 5 weeks in jail (with work release) where his brother in law worked. He did not pay child support, nor did he pay the house payment as orderd by the court. He  even flew out of state to work in construction.

 

Needless to say we lost our home and security. He was to stay away BUT he repeatedly came to the house. When I would call the police I got the run around.....no help.

 

10 years later he was charged again. He had molested his step daughter. 

 

They do not change!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He will always be a child molester.

 

 

 

 
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