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Topic : 07/21 Lies and Betrayal

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Created on : Friday, February 08, 2008, 12:23:31 pm
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(Original Air Date: 02/14/08) When you get married, you look forward to a life filled with love, happiness and security. But what do you do if you find out your spouse has been telling you lies and is someone completely different than the person you thought you knew? Elizabeth says her husband of three years, Matt, is a pathological liar, a con man and an alcoholic. She says he has lied about everything from what he does for a living to dying of cancer so that she would marry him. Matt says Elizabeth is a sociopath, and he accuses her of molesting her 12-year-old son. When Dr. Phil interrogates them with tough questions, will the truth come out? In an effort to sift through the mudslinging and get to the truth, Matt and Elizabeth agree to take a lie detector test. One of the two was deceitful in answering every question. Find out who. Next, hear from Randy and Rhonda, a couple who took Matt in and are caring for him because they believe he may be living the last phase of his life. Will Matt's shocking statements change their view of him? Dr. Phil has a strong warning for this couple. Then, Matt and Elizabeth are currently separated and negotiating custody of their two young daughters. See the argument that ensues outside the courthouse when Elizabeth accuses Matt of sleeping in the same bed with Rhonda. And, what shocking statement does Matt make about his daughters? Join the discussion.

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February 14, 2008, 7:38 am CST

Did you notice?

Matt was trying to deceive the lie detector by almost falling asleep in order to keep his bodily responses at a low.  If that don't just scream lying, I don't know what does.  Man, what a big fat liar!  I wouldn't trust a dog I liked with this crook, much less a human child!
 
February 14, 2008, 7:38 am CST

HELLO

Quote From: gwarrior6

 

Matt is obviously lying about Elisabeth molesting his son.  Pathological liars can range from lying to lie (about things that don't matter, like saying they brushed their hair when they didn't) when telling the truth is very easy to lying to manipulate other people.  The latter may be a symptom of Anti-Social Personality disorder (APD) or Conduct Disorder (CD)- the liar is goal-oriented or manipulative and doesn't care about other people.  That's what I basically know about it.

 

Elisabeth should run from this guy- if he's a compulsive liar, he's dangerous.  I wouldn't even waste my time with someone who could ruin my life with his lies.  Your better off alone, even if he gets help, its no guarantee that he'll change.   You desserve someone honest and who cares about you, not some jerk who uses you- sick or not.

 

 

Stop saying good point. This guy FAILED the test. You saw the show no?  Matt is an insecure weirdo that is not smart  enough to trick a lie detector test. Also they are much much more accurate then many people think. Also the man who administered the test is a seasoned veteran and knew right off the bat that he was lying.
 
February 14, 2008, 7:41 am CST

u crazy too?

Quote From: drendo1

  Information about a person's education falls under the right to privacy law.  The  University of Michigan would not release the information to Dr. Phil, a television host, by his own admission not a practicing doctor of anything.  I think the whole situation is made up.

medical degrees are public record genius. How else would a hospital hire a doctor. lol
 
February 14, 2008, 7:44 am CST

Pathological liar

Have my own experience with a pathalogical liar just like Matt on the show. He fathered my daughter. I haven't been able to deal with him so for the safety of my sanity and the security of my daughter I have cut ties to him.  I don't trust anything he says or does.  He's too much to deal with. 

 

I think when things become too emotionally hard on the person instead of dealing with the issue they try to deflect blame and accountability by blaming the other person or creating these ellaborate stories and excuses which make us naturally back off the person.

 

The family member's being deathly ill and having ellaborate real estate is very familiar.  He would create these horrific dramatic problems with his relationships so you would feel sorry about it.  He'd blame things on finances.  No matter how big or small the problem was he would come up with the darnest stories about why he did or didn't do what he was sopsed to do.

 

I know people don't agree with a father not seeing their child but if you knew what this man put me through on a weekly basis, you would do the same thing. I just don't have the strength to deal with the emotional baggage of a pathological liar.  I would of had to commit myself many times to a mental hospital because my depression would of been out of control. 

 

I wish there was some kind of test that could be done on these types of people and they should be all tattooed and be given some sort of birth control.

 
February 14, 2008, 7:48 am CST

what is going on ?

Quote From: saucy20

The reason that lie detector's aren't admissable in court is because they aren't as reliable as most people believe. Although many believe their accuracy to be in the range of 90 to 95 percent, their true range of accuracy falls to about 63 percent.

 

Polygraphs measure physiological responses: blood pressure, pulse, respiration and skin conductivity.

 

If a person is normally nervous or anxious and takes the test, their results will be inconclusive because the graph will go all over the place. On the flip side, if a person is relaxed and calm when taking a polygraph, their test results will more often than not show as truthful, even if they are horrendous liars.

 

This Matt guy certainly gives the impression that maintaining a modicum of calm during one of these tests wouldn't be difficult...I really feel for Elizabeth and those poor people that he's conning.

 

People like Matt feel nothing for people other than themselves, so in the long run perhaps it would be best for their children to have little to no contact with him. Can you imagine having to deal with a father like that on a daily basis? I do hope that this all works out best for the children in the end, because they are the ones who suffer the most in the end.

why does everyone keep assuming that lie detector tests are so innaccurate? 63 percent lol show us that proof. Sociopaths and people that have amazing breathing skills and self meditation skills have practiced the skill of passing lie detector tests when they lie and it is still hard to pass. I can't say what percentage of the population can get away with lying on the test but i can assure you that the accuracy is closer to 95 percent. Look it up or go to library. PLEASE STOP SAYING GOOD POINT PEOPLE!
 
February 14, 2008, 7:49 am CST

It's an old, old story

Quote From: waihini1

OMG! This subject is near to me and my home.

I too married the grand faker- he did all the "right things" when we met, dated, were engaged and the first year to almost 2 yrs we were married, then close to our 2nd anniversary, he warped into someone I didn't recognize. He became distant and cold towards me, all romance halted except for the sex, of course he still wanted that (back then anyway, not now). All the cards he sent, be it ecards or real ones stopped, he didn't want to take me on 3 vacations a year, but now it was down to ONE and it was always some place HE wanted to go, I had no say in it. I found various "clues" that pointed toward him cheating but never could really prove it totally, it was just an insidious feeling that hung in the air between us.

He has his own cell phone and got calls in the middle of the night, one time I got into his voice mail and found some female voice left a message that said, hey sexy, I miss you call me soon. I confronted him about this message and he claimed he had NO idea who that was and no he wasn't cheating, BUT from that time on he made damn sure he turned his phone off at night, hid it from me and if it was visible he deleted all the call history on it, so I didn't see who he was calling or who was calling him.

I have tried over and over to communicate with him about problems that I see we have, tried to get him to counseling with me too (he went one time then refused to go again as "he didn't have any problems and didn't need to go". Each time I tried to tell him of my unhappiness, he would turn things around on me, and make it sound like I was crazy or he would get mad and tell me he is going to divorce me. This has been going on now for almost THREE yrs. I cannot keep living like this, this man behaves like he hates me not loves me- he ignores me most of the time he is home, the other times he acts all nice nice so he can manipulate me into giving him sex once a month! I am not allowed to see my family and have to spend time with his family constantly- they come first in his life, always will and I am not considered part of this family unit, nor are my children or grandchildren by this man

All I can say to you is leave if you can as things will only get worse and you will only get more and more unhappy.

I would like to tell you that your story is unique, but it isn't.  I was married to the exact same guy.  He was soooo very sweet and nice when we met, but the day after we married he admitted to me his family hated me and offered him money to dump me at the altar.  And for the next five years, he made my life a living hell.  Our house was foreclosed on and he claimed it was a "clerical error."  Two cars were repossessed and he claimed it was the mortgage company's fault for draining our account!  Escort services would call the house and he would claim it was cruel practical jokes played by disgruntled former friends.  He told his family our second child was illegitimate so he could explain away his affairs.  You know, I cheated first so he cheated last.  Finally, after bankruptcy, eviction from a trailer when I was eight months pregnant with the "illegitimate" child (I had to do most of the packing in 100 degree weather) and eviction from the apartment which was rented in MY NAME, despite the fact I'd never signed an agreement (found out after the divorce), I left him.  For six more months he stole my paycheck until I could get free of him because it would direct deposit and he would be at the bank the moment it opened to take it.  The only way I got out of that joint bank account was to steal his paycheck; then he wanted nothing to do with the account.

 

Now seven years after the fact, I am remarried and he is insanely jealous.  He is suing for visitation, despite the fact that he has all but ignored the children for the last seven years and only saw them when it was convenient for him.  He married a poor woman who is just another victim to his nonsense and believes every single word that comes out of his mouth.  I am scared to death to let this man be alone with his kids, because I know if he could gain monetarily from their deaths, he would have no problem doing so.  We're in for the fight of our lives, and it's all because of a stupid sociopath.  I wish you luck in your own situation.

 
February 14, 2008, 7:53 am CST

02/14 Lies and Betrayal

Quote From: gwarrior6

 

Matt is obviously lying about Elisabeth molesting his son.  Pathological liars can range from lying to lie (about things that don't matter, like saying they brushed their hair when they didn't) when telling the truth is very easy to lying to manipulate other people.  The latter may be a symptom of Anti-Social Personality disorder (APD) or Conduct Disorder (CD)- the liar is goal-oriented or manipulative and doesn't care about other people.  That's what I basically know about it.

 

Elisabeth should run from this guy- if he's a compulsive liar, he's dangerous.  I wouldn't even waste my time with someone who could ruin my life with his lies.  Your better off alone, even if he gets help, its no guarantee that he'll change.   You desserve someone honest and who cares about you, not some jerk who uses you- sick or not.

 

 

Its obvious that both of them have lied but I think that her coming clean says somthing for her.  Matt is DANGEROUS and she needs to get away from him.  Matt's two friends Randy and Rhonda are they that STUPID!!!!  It doesn't matter what Randy and Rhonda say they are in it for the so called "millions." 

 
February 14, 2008, 7:58 am CST

This guy is a FREAK

Why did Dr. Phil even talk to these weirdos?  Well I know why, the kids they have.  That guy is a peice of crap.
 
February 14, 2008, 7:58 am CST

He is NUTS!

This gut is nuts, He is a controlling person who seems to need to manipulate every situation. I can not Believe how someone could be so cruel and heartless! Maybe the best thing he can do for his kids is run! I feel sorry for the couple who have taken him in and have believed him. I loved it when Dr. Phil put him in his place! GO DR. PHIL! My praters are with the ex wife and kids.
 
February 14, 2008, 7:59 am CST

yea ok

Quote From: saucy20

The reason that lie detector's aren't admissable in court is because they aren't as reliable as most people believe. Although many believe their accuracy to be in the range of 90 to 95 percent, their true range of accuracy falls to about 63 percent.

 

Polygraphs measure physiological responses: blood pressure, pulse, respiration and skin conductivity.

 

If a person is normally nervous or anxious and takes the test, their results will be inconclusive because the graph will go all over the place. On the flip side, if a person is relaxed and calm when taking a polygraph, their test results will more often than not show as truthful, even if they are horrendous liars.

 

This Matt guy certainly gives the impression that maintaining a modicum of calm during one of these tests wouldn't be difficult...I really feel for Elizabeth and those poor people that he's conning.

 

People like Matt feel nothing for people other than themselves, so in the long run perhaps it would be best for their children to have little to no contact with him. Can you imagine having to deal with a father like that on a daily basis? I do hope that this all works out best for the children in the end, because they are the ones who suffer the most in the end.

by the way am i the only one that thought it was obvious that matts' skin was crawling?  And no he was not relaxed. He behaved as if he was about to explode.  Please someone else respond to this (someone who has some common sense) I know I did not see this whole thing wrong. He is not some mastermind. He said he owned a 10 mill dollar home but lost his keys. He CLEARLY is not clever enough to pass the lie detector test that he ALREADY FAILED. good point lol dito lol open eyes please talk to EXPERTS about those tests.
 
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