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Created on : Friday, February 08, 2008, 12:23:31 pm

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(Original Air Date: 02/14/08) When you get married, you look forward to a life filled with love, happiness and security. But what do you do if you find out your spouse has been telling you lies and is someone completely different than the person you thought you knew? Elizabeth says her husband of three years, Matt, is a pathological liar, a con man and an alcoholic. She says he has lied about everything from what he does for a living to dying of cancer so that she would marry him. Matt says Elizabeth is a sociopath, and he accuses her of molesting her 12-year-old son. When Dr. Phil interrogates them with tough questions, will the truth come out? In an effort to sift through the mudslinging and get to the truth, Matt and Elizabeth agree to take a lie detector test. One of the two was deceitful in answering every question. Find out who. Next, hear from Randy and Rhonda, a couple who took Matt in and are caring for him because they believe he may be living the last phase of his life. Will Matt's shocking statements change their view of him? Dr. Phil has a strong warning for this couple. Then, Matt and Elizabeth are currently separated and negotiating custody of their two young daughters. See the argument that ensues outside the courthouse when Elizabeth accuses Matt of sleeping in the same bed with Rhonda. And, what shocking statement does Matt make about his daughters? Join the discussion.

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belindas55

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February 14, 2008, 9:44 pm PST

scary.......

TONIGHTS SHOW WAS BEYOND SCARY.... THIS MAN IS GOOD AT WHAT HE DOES....THESE KINDS OF PEOPLE ARE SO SICK THEY TRY TO BRING DOWN GOOD PEOPLE TO MAKE THEMSELVES LOOK BETTER IN THE EYES OF OTHERS... WHEN HE STARTED ACCUSING HIS WIFE OF MOLESTING HER SON THAT TOOK CENTER STAGE AND CAUSES SO MUCH ALARM NOTHING ELSE MATTERS.... HOW IN THE WORLD CAN A HEALTHY PERSON EVER COME CLOSE TO DEALING WITH A PERSON LIKE THIS.....?????? THEY ARE SO SICK THEY CAN MAKE A LIE LOOK LIKE THE TRUTH , AND THE HEALTHY PERSON TRYING SO HARD TO CONVINCE OTHERS THEY ARE NOT THE LIAR....THIS SHOW TONIGHT MADE ME SICK TO MY STOMACH.....I AM SO PROUD OF HER THAT SHE GOT AHOLD OF DR. PHIL TO DO THIS SHOW AND UNCOVER THIS MANS SICKNESS..... FOR ME I HAVE SO MANY EMOTIONS THAT WORDS JUST DO NOT UNCOVER HOW I FEEL RIGHT NOW.... THERE ARE SO MANY LADIES JUST LIKE HER THAT KNOW WHAT THIS KIND OF PERSON CAN DO....... I WONDER HOW THEY CAN KEEP GOING FROM ONE PERSON TO ANOTHER AND SEEM TO NEVER GET CAUGHT..... I HAVE AN EX SON IN LAW THAT COULD FIT INTO THIS MAN SHOE......IF NOT FOR THE GRACE OF GOD HE COULD HAVE DESTROYED OUR FAMILY...... SO I KNOW THE PAIN OF TRYING TO MAKE THE LIES JUST THAT. THE LIES...AMAZING ........HOW CAN THEY ???????? ALL I CAN DO IT JUST SIT HERE AND SHAKE MY HEAD.... HE IS SO SCARY AND SO SICK, BUT HE WOULD HAVE CARRIED ON IF NOT FOR THIS SHOW TONIGHT..... MY WISH IS HE WOULD GET HELP AND GET BETTER.... CAN HE??????

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sammie

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February 14, 2008, 9:45 pm PST

Agree--

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I have been reading the message boards and am a little surprised that no one has said any thing about

elizabeth's state of mind. I saw a woman desperate to know the truth and very afraid of it at the same time.

Since it was an on line meeting and the fact that she did lie in the beginning I felt maybe she hadn't dated much and was at least happy to mark the box that says married. She was so vunerable and afraid. She needs to know that this ending is the best thing that can happen and will be the beginning of her life. I see a very pretty woman that is seriously wondering how she will raise these babies on her own. Yes she is better off without someone who is so pathethic. I think she needs some help to see what a good person she is.She is to good for this looser.

I hear ya--I believe though, that the show will help her get on her feet and provide help for her & her sweet children. She was just like so many of us have been in one way or another, vulnerable & naive. Its a bad place to be, but when you are there, you tend to make horrible choices, like she did. I know her state of mind had to be one of shock and overwhelming fear--to know that she had actually been alone with him and knowing what he is capable of! Especially that he had been alone with her kids at home! My prayers are with her & the babies--she so needs them... & he needs his A_ _ kicked in the worst way.....

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February 14, 2008, 9:51 pm PST

Yes she should have been relieved

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What I don't understand is why she started crying at the end when he was promising to let her have the children. If a man like that was the father of my daughters, I would pack up my kids so fast so he would NEVER be able to find us! But more than anything, my heart goes out to those innocent children who will apparently never know what it is to be unconditionally loved by their father. Heart breaking.

she should have been relieved and she will be when she comes done but I understand why she got upset. It was such an awful thing for him to say. He is the father and they are beautiful girls and that what I am sure what upset her the sadness that her children's father could say something so awful. so awful. It makes me want to cry too.

But yes I would take it to the court to protect those girls.

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February 14, 2008, 9:53 pm PST

02/14 Lies and Betrayal

This could be a wakeup call for internet dating! I know Dr. Phil believes in this but on the internet you can be anyone you want to be. You can say anything you want and can get away with it. Unless you have a Dr. Phil doing the research for you how can the every day person know what is true?

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February 14, 2008, 9:59 pm PST

Feeling your Pain~~~~

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Let me start by saying, I, too have been married to a man like this. He was ALWAYS RIGHT, he tried to make me feel like I was beneath him. Made me feel like I was stupid, etc, now he is my EX-HUSBAND! Anyhow, At the end of the show, Matt started telling Elizabeth, "YOU'RE RIGHT, YOU CAN HAVE THE KIDS, THEY ARE DEAD TO ME, YOU CAN HAVE THEM, I DON'T WANT ANYTHING TO DO WITH THEM, EXCEPT PAY SUPPORT" blah, blah...but guess what MR. SMART-GUY....If Elizabeth's attorney, gets a copy of the show, and she needs to let him get one, HE CAN, AND PROBABLY WILL use it against you in court! YOU JUST MIGHT GET WHAT YOU WISH FOR, WIZARD! MY EX wrote things like that in a letter to me about OUR daughter, when he was over seas ( he was Navy), saying that he didn't have any children (paternity was NEVER an issue!) he was just saying those thing because his girlfriend did not want children, apparently he thought that just by writing it, made her disappear, AND GUESS WHAT?? THEY TOOK HIS VISITATION AWAY FROM HIM AND HE DID PAY SUPPORT ! just like this guy thinks by saying, does the same, makes them non-existant! Here you are on NATIONAL TV saying these things about your children, and you are hiding behind the "MY LAWYER SAID NOT TO DISCUSS THIS" , well, your lawyer should have told you to stop being an A@#! and act like a man, move out on your own and stop playing the victim, but you are your own victim! And then you drag Randy and Rhonda into the mix , making them YOUR VICTIM, by approaching them at a tragic time in their life, and sucking them into your drama. Elizabeth is not the crazy one, Bud, YOU ARE! She is all engrossed in the " I JUST WANT KIDS TO HAVE THEIR FATHER" . You are a poor excuse for a MAN, let alone THEIR FATHER! CUT YOUR LOSSES, ELIZABETH AND GET AWAY FROM HIM! REAL MEN DO NOT ACT THIS WAY! TAKE THOSE BABIES AND GET RID OF HIM! HE IS DRAGGING YOU DOWN TO HIS PATHETIC LEVEL! Your children do not deserve to be around a psycho like him, he will make them feel just like you do! Is that the way you want your children to feel??

Somewhere in this note for the board, my note turned from an observation OF MATT, to a note TO MATT, but ya'll get the idea! He just infuriated me so bad! Did you notice how he tried to persuade the guy giving the test into rewording the test to suit himself!!?? AAAHHHHHH!!! I will stop now! But you are not alone, but he will be!!

I also had a husband sort of like this too--He did to me the things you describe about your ex....not fun...and he really WAS a doctor!! And that made it even worse--He thought he was God..literally. But the good Lord got me out of that situation and I haven't laid eyes on him in 11 years--I learned so much from that nightmare--he was a terrific con-artist & manipulator. Elizabeth must understand that there IS light at the end of the tunnel..I thought there wasn't--but I had wonderful parents & a super pastor that helped me get through the post-horror.. I didn't think I would ever see the light--but I did! And I am happily married now, have been for years--Good things will happen for Elizabeth--she just needs to RUN & take him up on what he said--let him sign the kids over! They do not need this type of influence in their life--he doesn't deserve to be called a father! You know, rats can have baby rats and it takes a male to make that possible, but it doesn't make that male rat a "father "--this guy was a sperm donor in my opinion...NOT a daddy. (The rat would come closer than he would to that role)....

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February 14, 2008, 9:59 pm PST

the other couple

That other couple were victims too-- they were grieving for their lost child and Matt came into their lives when they were feeling so very vulnerable and manipulated them totally and completely. Perhaps in some odd way they were comforted by him and they were trying to replace their lost son, but Matt knew this and was playing with their emotions and vying for their affection and attention which her knew he could get because they were so ripe for it.

Beside the diagnosis of bi-polar/ borderline disorder I would bet that he is also a narcissist-its all about him and he is above reproach. Matt is very dangerous-his children need protection and FAST!!!!!

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February 14, 2008, 10:01 pm PST

I Agree!

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Elizabeth... I've been there, have the T-Shirt that says I was in love with a low-life, lying, manipulative, crack-smoking, physical & mental abusing psycho-path!! Get OUT NOW!! I survived with the clothes on my back. I lost all household furnishings. They can be replaced. YOU CAN NOT BE REPLACED!! Your kids need you! Get rid of this bum! Yes, you are worthy of being loved by a man who will accept you & your kids!! NEVER forget that! This looser, Matt, should be in the prison system, being "Bubba's princess" and being treated the way he treated you. Elizabeth, You are a wonderful mother, you have allot of love to give the right man. Don't waste it on this low life, pond scumming, Matt!! Take a tape of Dr. Phil's show to your attorney!! NOW!! Have the papers drawn up to relinquish Matt's parental rights!! Do this to save yourself & your kids from this lying bum!!

VERY WELL SAID!!!!

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rinata

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February 14, 2008, 10:11 pm PST

Run, Elizabeth, Run!!!!

She needs to take those girls and just disappear. That husband of hers is the creepiest, scariest guy I have ever seen on any of Dr. Phil's shows. I think he is dangerous and is more than capable of doing something extremely vicious to his wife, daughters, and stepson..

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1bizziemom

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February 14, 2008, 10:13 pm PST

Polygraph reliability

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"The reason that lie detector's aren't admissable in court is because they aren't as reliable as most people believe. "

Exactly.

Actually, it was back in 1923 when the polygraph was prohibited from being admissible in court, because it was such a new and experimental procedure. Since that time the polygraph has improved tremendously, and it is now up to each court individually to determine if it will allow polygraphs to be admitted. The fact is, polygraphs are routinely used in law enforcement and by the federal government thousands of times every year.

One did not need a polygraph to see this guy was a pathological liar. The thing about a pathological liar is they do lie about "stupid stuff," stuff one can *easily* check on, such as whether they attended a medical school or not, or whether the father is alive or not. That's the pathology of it -- they lie even knowing the lies they're telling can easily be found out -- and they STILL lie. I was married to one of these guys too, and am now (happily) out!

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February 14, 2008, 10:16 pm PST

Blessing in disguise ...

It is very sad that Elizabeth had to get caught-up with this immature, manipulative lying con-artist ... but she should have seen the signs a long time ago - shoulda woulda coulda - she DIDN'T. And now she has to protect not only herself, but those two beautiful little girls from this crazy-man. In all cases with children involved you want what is best for them - and usually that involves the father being a part of their lives - but when I heard Matt say "my daughters are DEAD TO ME" and that they would never see him again, I wanted to stand up and clap! That is probably the best thing for them and Elizabeth - because if he can manipulate, lie, and play mind games with his wife (the MOTHER OF HIS CHILDREN) then the children are only next in line - and they DO NOT deserve that. SOME people do not deserve to be a parent because they are too caught-up in themselves and don't know how to do what's best for another human being - MATT IS ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE - SHAME ON HIM !!!! All I can say is RUN ELIZABETH - RUN FAST & RUN FAR and PROTECT THOSE BABIES - you are a good mom and you can do it - I believe in you (just DON'T LIE ANYMORE, learn that lesson & someone will love you for who you TRUTHFULLY ARE). As for those naive and desperate people he is living with - THIS IS YOUR BIG RED FLAG!!!!! It is very sad that you lost your son and I can't even imagine the emptiness and pain in your heart - but DON'T try to fill it with this poor excuse of a man - the memory of your son is better than that - don't let yourselves be hurt by this guy. My prayers are with all who have been hurt by this mans lies .

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