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Topic : 07/21 Lies and Betrayal

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Created on : Friday, February 08, 2008, 12:23:31 pm
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(Original Air Date: 02/14/08) When you get married, you look forward to a life filled with love, happiness and security. But what do you do if you find out your spouse has been telling you lies and is someone completely different than the person you thought you knew? Elizabeth says her husband of three years, Matt, is a pathological liar, a con man and an alcoholic. She says he has lied about everything from what he does for a living to dying of cancer so that she would marry him. Matt says Elizabeth is a sociopath, and he accuses her of molesting her 12-year-old son. When Dr. Phil interrogates them with tough questions, will the truth come out? In an effort to sift through the mudslinging and get to the truth, Matt and Elizabeth agree to take a lie detector test. One of the two was deceitful in answering every question. Find out who. Next, hear from Randy and Rhonda, a couple who took Matt in and are caring for him because they believe he may be living the last phase of his life. Will Matt's shocking statements change their view of him? Dr. Phil has a strong warning for this couple. Then, Matt and Elizabeth are currently separated and negotiating custody of their two young daughters. See the argument that ensues outside the courthouse when Elizabeth accuses Matt of sleeping in the same bed with Rhonda. And, what shocking statement does Matt make about his daughters? Join the discussion.

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July 21, 2008, 8:16 am PDT

what is with that?

Granted, there are people out there that present themselves on the internet that are truthful and actually wanting to meet others for the right reasons.   But there are a lot of others that portray themselves as someone they are not.  That scenerio seems to have been the one for both of these people.  They both are liars.  Matthew is a sociopath and is very dangerous.  Elizabeth must have been desparate and didn't check up her husband's lies.  The trip to Florida without the house keys should have been her first warning.  What is with that?  The whole thing is unbelievable.  She should lose that guy, count her losses and go on.  She has three beautiful children to take care of .  If she wants a relationship with a man....don't go looking on the internet!!!  Do your homework.  Remember.....no man is worth the lives and relationships with you children.  I could never put a man before my kids.  Why do women do that all of the time?
 
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July 21, 2008, 8:45 am PDT

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I wish Elizabeth and her family the best.  Matthew is nothing but a con-man and a liar.  I just wanted to come through the tv and tell him that he is so full of bologna!!!  I hope the family he was staying with kick him to the curb.  I don't believe that he has cancer at all! What a fraud!

 
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July 21, 2008, 9:04 am PDT

So right!

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Granted, there are people out there that present themselves on the internet that are truthful and actually wanting to meet others for the right reasons.   But there are a lot of others that portray themselves as someone they are not.  That scenerio seems to have been the one for both of these people.  They both are liars.  Matthew is a sociopath and is very dangerous.  Elizabeth must have been desparate and didn't check up her husband's lies.  The trip to Florida without the house keys should have been her first warning.  What is with that?  The whole thing is unbelievable.  She should lose that guy, count her losses and go on.  She has three beautiful children to take care of .  If she wants a relationship with a man....don't go looking on the internet!!!  Do your homework.  Remember.....no man is worth the lives and relationships with you children.  I could never put a man before my kids.  Why do women do that all of the time?

I totally agree!  Internet dating is too scary, too loose and too dangerous! It's so easy to lie....and, if you're smart, (but you insist on using the Net to find someone anyway), then be smart enough to at least use that same Internet to check them out!

 

As for Elizabeth being dumb enough to believe that lost house keys bull crap when they took that trip to Florida....... duh, duh, DUH!!

 

By the way....when loser Matt made that statement that his children were "dead" to him and he wouldn't see them anymore, I cheered! What child needs an alcoholic sociopath in their life? I mean, he decided to give them away like puppies to the naive people who are presently taking care of him.....and those people are also stupid enough to believe that the court would just blithely hand the kids over to strangers when their father dies (which is a load of crap; he may die of alcoholism, but I doubt he is telling the truth about having cancer right now) when their mother is still alive and well! Again: DUH! I doubt that couple has any motivation other than the money they think they will get "when Matt dies".

 

Nothing good can come to you when you're motivated by greed.

 

WHEN will common sense make a comeback?

 
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July 21, 2008, 9:09 am PDT

MAYBE HE doesn't have a conscience

 Well I had similar experiences and most of the time when someone lies and doesn't acknowledge, even when they are caught red-handed, then maybe a more serious problem exist, especaily if no emotions are seen, like not sorry ,justifying, lying about lying,  I would cut my losses because you can't change him, save yourself from a life of deception and move forward.  He may be pyschologically imparied.  When you lie about small things you lie about big things,, this guy is not worthy of your time, he doesn't understand truth.
If no truth is in him ....What are you doing but deceiving yourself.....really
 
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July 21, 2008, 9:14 am PDT

lies and betrayal-WHAT"S NEXT?

so, what will you find out next?  you need to get out!  i was in a sistuation, like that, and nothing ever change!  i loved my husband, even went to counseling, beliving  that i could help him change.boy, was i fooled. he still was doing his dirtie little secretsand lying, to us all.  he was so conving, that he had us, all fooled.(including the counselier.)  but, the thruth came out, and i decided, i was way to good of a person, to have to put up with this and KICK HIM OUT!   best thing i did for me and my kids. and till this day, he is still a lyier, and a deciever.
 
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July 21, 2008, 9:32 am PDT

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If Matt is indeed a pathological liar, does that mean he could possibly pass the lie detector test and still be lying? I mean, if he always lies, maybe he has come to believe himself to be telling the truth.
he lies.
 
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July 21, 2008, 9:39 am PDT

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I have not seen this show, but did read all the transcripts, and wow.. Now, one of three things will happen, he will either "start to get it right" and come clean. Or he will resort in getting even with all, which is a very scary scenario...remember Scott Peterson (same personality disorder as this fella). Or 3. He will leave the scene and continue his scam in new waters. God Bless his wife, children and his Mother, as they need it.

 

We are seeing more and more of these types.. Be careful who you get close to, do your homework!

Wow, what a liar and con-man that Matthew is. I wanted Dr. Phil to ask Randy and his wife (the couple who took Matthew in) what they think of Matthew saying his "children we're dead to him."  Having just lost a son themselves I don't think that is something they would like to hear their "friend" say. I think Matthew is a socio-path using Randy and his wife to get lawyers and others to think he's a decent, nice and credible person. He may have even pre-thought and manipulated them through thisa entire sham friendship. I think they were nice people who we're so hurting they let their guard down and let this con-man into their lives.

And Letting the man in their bed is a big no-no and they should put a stop to that. He's not their child and furthermore even if he we're, he's a grown man. I wanted to say, "Oh my God woman haven't you ever read

anything about Freud"?! How does that make her feel that she let a man in her and her husband's bed who isn't even dying? Doesn't she know how bad that looks to other people? I don't blame Matthew's wife for thinking there was something sexual going on. However, I do believe Dr. Phil is right and there wasn't really anything like that going on. Did anyone believe Michael Jackson when he said nothing was going on when he slept with boys unrelated to him? But that's a whole different subject. Anyway, those are my thoughts  on today's show which I know was a rerun but I didn't catch it the first time. I hope Dr. Phil follow's up on this show and I hope Matthew comes to his senses and tells the truth for his children's sake!

 
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July 21, 2008, 10:09 am PDT

Just some common sense advice...

Why, oh why are so many women so easily led straight into hell by these sociopathic men??

 

Reading this message board, reading all the stories from these women sickens me, and infuriates me at the same time! If you don't do your homework and investigate any and all men who attempt to come into your lives, then you deserve whatever you get! No one is going to protect you but yourself. Keep these jerks away from you...and especially your children....until you use every available method to check them out! Use the same Internet you probably used to find these men to find out the information you need. It's there...you just have to be persistent in finding it.

 

Ask to see their driver's license and do a NATIONWIDE back ground check using that information. If something that's even a little bit off comes up, don't allow the guy to gloss over it and use excuses to twist it around.....know that if he lies about one thing, he will lie about other things.  Don't forget to check sex offenders websites, especially if you have children....predators love desperate single mothers and they have all kinds of devious ways to get next to you and then the kids.

 

Check out where he says he works; verify it.  Verify where he says he lives by doing a car license tag check. You can access utility records to see whose name they are in...and, by the way, do this without alerting him first, because if he's lying about where he lives and he knows you're going to check, he will figure out another lie to cover his a**.  This information is public, by the way, so you have every right to look it up.

 

If you have access to their social security number, even better.....with that information you can find out any criminal history they may have...and if the name doesn't match the number,  you know  you're in the path of danger. (BEFORE YOU FREAK OUT ABOUT THE SOCIAL SECURITY THING, LET ME CLARIFY THAT YOU ONLY HAVE THE RIGHT TO ASK THAT IF YOU ARE SO INVOLVED WITH THIS MAN THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT OR PLANNING TO MARRY, OR ARE LETTING HIM MOVE IN WITH YOU! DO THIS BEFORE YOU TAKE EITHER OF THOSE STEPS......and, by the way, if you've gone that far, have you met his family? If not, that's a red flag! Personally, if he told me he didn't have any family because  they are deceased, I'd check out death records to verify that, too!)

 

Don't accept ANYTHING they tell you at face value. If they act insulted, run. Those who have nothing to hide, hide nothing.  

 

Sorry if you think this is being paranoid....better that than being gullible, naive and ignorant, and putting yourself and your kids in danger.

 

And one more red flag: Do NOT allow any man to rush you into marriage or living together! That's a prime sign that something isn't right. You cannot fall in genuine love with anyone within a few weeks or months......you can't know someone in that amount of time, and you can't fall in love with what you don't know.  Besides, if it is genuine, both of you should be willing to give it some time to be sure, and to do it right.  And, for God's sake, don't be stupid enough to get pregnant and put yourself in a desperate position!!

 

Common sense, ladies....just common sense. Use it!

 
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July 21, 2008, 10:37 am PDT

UPDATE

HAS THERE BEEN AN UPDATE ON ALL OF THIS,,,WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF THOSE PEOPLE WERE STILL BELIEVING HIM AND IF HES STILL LYING,,,

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July 21, 2008, 11:38 am PDT

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This story is definitely familiar to me.  I actually met someone and became friends for about 5 years till we decided to start dating.  I really thought he was a good man, a level minded person.  That is till the day we found out we were pregnant.  It was a complete 360, everything I had known about him came up and was a lie.  After I had my beautiful daughter I started finding out slowly but surely the truth about him and his family.  I had never met his family all the years of knowing him, he told me his mother was dead and he wasn't close to anyone because his family was never good to him.  Well I ended up getting in touch with a sister and the truth came out, his mother was alive and the family actually feared him and what he's capable of.  I decided to fight for full custody of our child due to his unstable life and for the safety of our child.

 

During our court hearing which are still ongoing he has made nurmerous false claims, he has claimed that certain family members that help me with my daughter have been sexually explicit, he has claimed that I am a drug dealer, he claimed that I had an affair with him and I was due to get married, I can go on and on.  The bottom line is there needs to be one sane parent and not to drop to the others level. My daughter will always come first.  It's hard for me to understand how some women are in these situations, they need to love themselves and understand that this is not normal and your child needs to come before anything.

 

The only question that I have for Elizabeth is if you already had one child what were you doing with someone you met on the internet, I would have been scared for the child I already had at the time bringing a STRANGER in his life.  Married 3 1/2 months later is ridiculous to me, people are married a life time and don't know who they sleep with.  I think single mothers really need to be more careful who they date and for how long.  As a single parent there is no way in hell I would bring someone who I just met around my daughter, bottom line is you don't know the person.  What's done is done but I hope other single parents read this story and learn from it, always keep your child's best interest your top priority.

 
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