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Created on : Friday, February 08, 2008, 12:25:06 pm
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(Original Air Date: 02/15/08) What happens when a parent’s agenda becomes so extreme that his or her children are forced to live a harsh, stoic existence? Dan and Janna are a college-educated couple married for 15 years with seven children, ages ranging from 2 weeks to 14. They have no income, no heat, no running water and are about to lose their house. Dan and Janna believe that their primitive lifestyle is God’s will, and that they are being led by the Lord. Janna’s mom, Carol, and stepdad, Rich, are worried about the health of their grandchildren. Are they eating enough? Are they warm enough? They say because the children are home schooled, they live in a cult-like home environment, and are not exposed to the outside world. Carol and Rich are willing to bail this family out one last time, but why are Dan and Janna refusing the help? After eight failed businesses, why won’t Dan get a job to support his family? Where will they go when they are forced out of their home? Talk about the show here.

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February 15, 2008, 3:45 pm PST

02/15 Living on a Prayer

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on how difficult it is to find a good job in this market place.  I found the show was based too much on god(this word or defination of it does not do it) so much focus on the problem and money and not enough

on practical solutions.

 

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The man didn't need a practical solution....he as much as said he was willingly not getting a job "working for someone else". He claimed a FEW resumes during 2006 and no calls. You know what Dr. Phil says....if you don't have a job, your job IS finding one....9-5 pounding the pavement. This man isn't having trouble finding work...he's having trouble getting a number of self run businesses off the ground....he could find work (to support while pursuing his dreams) during this time.
 
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February 15, 2008, 3:45 pm PST

there is no reason for this

 

  Children should never be put in this position.  They have done nothing wrong.  There is no way that God would want any of his children living in those conditions. What makes this man think so is beyond me.  I would also like to know if the grandparents are so concerned about their grandchildern then why have they not called in family and children services to help protect them.  I know the grandmother said it would tear the mothers heart out for her to lose her children but maybe thats what its going to take for her to open her eyes and see that they don't deserve to live like that.  It's not their fault that their dad is a bum.  If he cared anything about his family hye would collect cans or flip burgers to earn any amount af money to support his family. 

 
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February 15, 2008, 3:45 pm PST

Grandparent Alert


Both the maternal and paternal grandparents of the seven children need to be proactive. They have already depleted their personal funds to help. Both couples need to consult trust bankers and/or estate planning attorneys. The maternal grandparents need to ensure any funds for the children go into trusts. They need to exclude  Dan and his wife from touching their estates or the proceeds of any insurance policies. I

Clearly the children's mother cannot or will not extract herself from Dan's control. In the event Jannna's parents want her basic needs met, they will need to set up a trust or irrevocable trust, to be administered by their bank's Trust Department or a highly trustworthy outside party.

Custody suit or Child Protection anyone?  It sounds extreme, but the children are suffering. They are also getting an extremely irrational model for solving problems in their lives. In any case the grandparents, who want only good care, basic comforts and relief from unremitting stress for the children, should never again put themselves in the position of enabling the parents' poor judgment! Too bad they can't cooperate to care for the little children!




 
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February 15, 2008, 3:47 pm PST

WHAT a HOOT

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She has a degree in Communications and he has a degree in BUSINESS ADMINISTRATION!!!  Doesn't appear that he learned much.

 

How does he rationalize the dishonesty of his "red light blocker" with his deep faith?

 

I think they reflect badly on homeschoolers and people with strong religious beliefs. I have many friends in both categories and they don't excuse laziness like this fruitcake.

 

Child Protective Services really must intervene in this situation. The grandparents are just delaying things by throwing money into this mess.

 

Someone should tell Dan if he loses his house, the mango tree goes too!!

i CANNOT STOP LAUGHINg OUT LOUD AT "tHE MANGO TREE GOES, TOO"......Dr Phil has comics watching his show................fire the writers, please ! This poster says  it all in a few words !
 
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February 15, 2008, 3:48 pm PST

02/15 Living on a Prayer

I gave this man and his wife a lot of credit. I think they are doing great and learning a lot thru their situation.  I think this man should be honored by trying to do the right thing. I do believe the Lord will help them and sometimes the Lord waits till the last minute to do it to check out the faith of the person.  These children were not starving and I am sure that the father and the mother would make sure they never do.   Yes sometimes we learn from out mistakes and perhaps he will get a job but I don't think for a moment this family got a fair shot at ex planing how they live and why.   Many people in this country go without water and heat for one reason or another for a length of time and usually learn valuable lessons in doing so.   This man's faith is awesome and wish I had the faith he did.  I honor his wife for loving her husband thru thick and thin.  They are teaching their kids the powerful message of faith and love and many other things.  I do think Dr Phil put a huge slant on their life style as it makes good TV.   I saw the mother in law have such a hateful face, it almost seem demonic.  Sure they are worried about their grand kids but if they wouldn't of helped them so much with money in the past, the problem would of solved it self long ago.  Why not do what you think is right if you are being hand fed money at every turn.    I think Dr. Phil's faith is nothing compared to this man, as most TV shows are full of gossip.   I use to like watching Dr. Phil till I watched him devote a entire show on britney spears, without her permission.   He loves butting in where he doesn't belong.  I say to this family to continue to do what you are doing and your faith will grow, your relationship with the lord will grow and God won't fail you in the end.    Don't let others tell you how to live, just live the way the lord tells you too.  
 
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February 15, 2008, 3:49 pm PST

A man of faith, for a change

I gave this man and his wife a lot of credit. I think they are doing great and learning a lot thru their situation.  I think this man should be honored by trying to do the right thing. I do believe the Lord will help them and sometimes the Lord waits till the last minute to do it to check out the faith of the person.  These children were not starving and I am sure that the father and the mother would make sure they never do.   Yes sometimes we learn from out mistakes and perhaps he will get a job but I don't think for a moment this family got a fair shot at ex planing how they live and why.   Many people in this country go without water and heat for one reason or another for a length of time and usually learn valuable lessons in doing so.   This man's faith is awesome and wish I had the faith he did.  I honor his wife for loving her husband thru thick and thin.  They are teaching their kids the powerful message of faith and love and many other things.  I do think Dr Phil put a huge slant on their life style as it makes good TV.   I saw the mother in law have such a hateful face, it almost seem demonic.  Sure they are worried about their grand kids but if they wouldn't of helped them so much with money in the past, the problem would of solved it self long ago.  Why not do what you think is right if you are being hand fed money at every turn.    I think Dr. Phil's faith is nothing compared to this man, as most TV shows are full of gossip.   I use to like watching Dr. Phil till I watched him devote a entire show on britney spears, without her permission.   He loves butting in where he doesn't belong.  I say to this family to continue to do what you are doing and your faith will grow, your relationship with the lord will grow and God won't fail you in the end.    Don't let others tell you how to live, just live the way the lord tells you too.  
 
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February 15, 2008, 3:49 pm PST

Dan needs help.

This is beyond judging or name calling. This guy needs a  mental health diagnosis. And his wife is in denial. I hope Dr. Phil intervenes or something. Very disturbing for those precious children.
 
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February 15, 2008, 3:51 pm PST

Working?

 So if you are working everyday for yourself, your boss is a fool.  YOU are the one saying you are working everyday.  You are fooling yourself.  And you are using God to justify what you want to do.  God helps them who help themselves is an old saying but true especially for this person. 
 
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February 15, 2008, 3:51 pm PST

02/15 Living on a Prayer

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I hope someone steps in on behalf of the children and take them out of that "home" and then charge those parents with neglect and abuse.   Those parents might end up killing those children because their "God" told them they need to be saved.

 

Why are those people allowed to live like that...WITH children?

I feel that's quite extreme. There is no child abuse going on here. Is there some neglect of their needs resulting from all of this? Absolutely...no doubt. But they are a well intentioned, kind and loving family. To be honest it would do those children a great disservice to remove them from that home, put them in the "system" where they could very well end up in a real abusive situation and suffer unspeakable things. Why risk it? This family just needs guidance, and dan needs to listen, and be willing to make the necessary changes. A little waking up and action taking on Dan and his wife's behalf is all that's required here.
 
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February 15, 2008, 3:51 pm PST

02/15 Living on a Prayer

Did I hear right that the gentleman thinks God puts trials on us? If so he would benefit by examining James 1:13-15  
 
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