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Created on : Friday, February 08, 2008, 12:25:06 pm
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(Original Air Date: 02/15/08) What happens when a parent’s agenda becomes so extreme that his or her children are forced to live a harsh, stoic existence? Dan and Janna are a college-educated couple married for 15 years with seven children, ages ranging from 2 weeks to 14. They have no income, no heat, no running water and are about to lose their house. Dan and Janna believe that their primitive lifestyle is God’s will, and that they are being led by the Lord. Janna’s mom, Carol, and stepdad, Rich, are worried about the health of their grandchildren. Are they eating enough? Are they warm enough? They say because the children are home schooled, they live in a cult-like home environment, and are not exposed to the outside world. Carol and Rich are willing to bail this family out one last time, but why are Dan and Janna refusing the help? After eight failed businesses, why won’t Dan get a job to support his family? Where will they go when they are forced out of their home? Talk about the show here.

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February 16, 2008, 11:11 am PST

02/15 Living on a Prayer

Quote From: billyb56

I definitely made it a point to watch this show after seeing the comercials advertising the content/subject matter. This is a very important subject to look at,especially these day's as per the different new's shows and the vast array of problems that seem to be devasting this nation not to mention the world. I do feel this show needs to be followed up on and Dr. Phil needed more time to get into more history, background of not only this couple, but this subject  matter seems to be affecting millions of Americans and thier familys and the nature of jobs and resources in this great nation of ours. I do admire this familys belief in GOD and it did sound to me as if he is not a lazy person, just maybe needs some guidence as to the job market. I do not remember where this family resides (city/state), it looked as though it was a rural setting and maybe there unfortunately are not jobs available in that area. The man mentioned several times that he did have resumes sent out for a job but apparently had no responses from those employers. Is he overqualified/underqualified or are those jobs with his degree/experiance now in India, China etc. As far as other comments I read regarding taking the children away from these parents should we also go to appalachia (SE America) poverty stricken areas and take away thier children also because those parents can't find or don't have good jobs. I guess they must also be "Deadbeats". Also this is a real shame in this country that money is tight but the child porn industry supposedly is in the billions of dollars, along with the adult porn industry, sports, drugs, $10,000 martinis, $100,000-150,000 private partys, millions of dollars for a presidential party,etc, etc, etc( NBC,CNN,ABC, PBS,MSNBC,FOX, And So many specials that are on cable, but education is failing our children, and also hardly letting our children actually be children again. I Do believe these children should be in public school so the parents have more time for job search and/or go to work, if there are actually jobs available in thier area. As far as the taxpayer paid healthcare, food stamps at least they are LEGAL americans! I haven't read any comments about the supposed 12-14 million illigal immigrants who are able (supposedly) to receive these benefits. I do pray that this great nation of our's can get our priority's and real issues back in line, as GOD would like his believers, Children, People however that should be said, ASAP while we still have a chance before Saudi Arabia, China or whomever owns us. Then where would we be. The land of oppurtunity Still???? May "GOD" BLESS US ALL! I TRULY look forward to any and all comments. Thank you!
Now there's a thoughtful and reasonable response to this situation.

Anybody calling for this obviously loving family to be split apart is WAY off base. The mere suggestion of having their kids taken from them displays an obvious ignorance of the situation.

As a former employee of Dan's (see my initial post back on page 40??) I know for a FACT this is a loving family, and love trumps living conditions any day.
 
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February 16, 2008, 11:18 am PST

02/15 Living on a Prayer

Quote From: kimbasham

 yes...i am serious about the abortion thing...as i do agree that abortion is murder and birth control is preventative... i believe that pro-life is just that for life. who are we to decide on birth, especially as christians.... if you are having sex which is the means of creating life, then you should accept the responsibility of the act. As a bible believing christian I personally have never found in the Bible that Birth control is acceptable, if anything I have read that MANY children is a blessing unto is father.

Psalm 127

   3Lo, children are an heritage of the LORD: and the fruit of the womb is his reward.  

   4As arrows are in the hand of a mighty man; so are children of the youth.  

   5Happy is the man that hath his quiver full of them: they shall not be ashamed, but they shall speak with the enemies in the gate. 



 

If it be by murder or prevention - stopping life is just that - stopping life from exsisting
 


 

agree or not, that is the great right of our freedom - the joy of this country - but not reason to judge someone for having children and calling it abuse
 


Tell you what, Sweetie...you take a good look at third world countries where birth control isn't readily available and children are starving and dying horrible, slow deaths in astronomical numbers every day and tell me again that "MANY children are a blessing unto his Father"!

 

How could a loving God look upon that and find ANY sort of "blessing in it?

 

And, by the way, here in the U.S. where jobs are available, when you choose to have a litter of children and then refuse to get a job to support them it IS abuse, regardless of what you say. You can hide behind the Bible all you want...it doesn't change the facts of what IS.

 

That same Bible also tells you that if a man does not work, he shall not eat...and it says it many times.

You cannot pick and choose passages to suit yourself....you either believe and go by it all, or none of it. 

 
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February 16, 2008, 11:18 am PST

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Quote From: saemae

I'm a Christian and very proud of the fact.  That's why it ruffles my feathers when a lazy, irresponsible loser like this guy claims "God's will" so he doesn't have to work!  Come on!  God commands you to work to support your family!  What Bible are you reading?  This guy's just mad because God's REAL will might actually lead him to an honest day's work instead of a day of feeding tropical fishes!  A bit of advice for ya, DAD!  Get off your duff and get to work like a real Christian man would do for his family.  And stop using God as an excuse for your laziness!

 

Mom, if I were you, I'd start listening for the still small voice that is telling you to dump this bum.

So you're calling him names, and encouraging his wife to divorce him?

Ummmm, what Bible are YOU reading?
 
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February 16, 2008, 11:27 am PST

02/15 Living on a Prayer

   Matthew Chapter Six verses 25 through 34 encourages the reader that God will provide for his needs and there is no reason to worry.  Chapter Seven continues by advising the reader not to judge others, but to examine your own life and behavior before looking at other's lives.  Yes, these parents are living this scripture to the extreme, but they should be admired for living their faith.  I surely do, especially in this age of plenty.  In my opinion, more was accomplished out of adversity than out of comfort.  Dr. Phil, in his expensive suit and extravagant life style was a little harsh on this family.  Matthew Chapter Six Verse Twenty Four says you cannot serve both God and money.
   I commend and applaud this family in their attempt to live according to God's teaching and will.  Tim McKinney
 
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February 16, 2008, 11:31 am PST

Misunderstood the Bible

The Bible says he who won't work, shall not eat.   Hobbies and pass-times at home usually don't make you money.  They have to find a way to make money where there is a demand.  God gave us brains to learn new skills.
 
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February 16, 2008, 11:33 am PST

Excuse Me!!

Quote From: housewife52

This family is different than the Amish in that they are not actually trying to live without electricity, etc. They are set up in a home that needs electricity. If they want to live a simple life w/o modern conveniences then they need to relocate somewhere else. They need to move to a home with a woodstove and an outhouse and a nearby water source. When I was growing up poor, we had electricity but no indoor plumbing or water. We had an outdoor toilet, carried our water in from a spring and heated with a woodstove. My mother cooked on a woodstove. This family lives in a house set up for modern conviences but they are not supporting this lifestyle. There is a big difference in this and the way the Amish live or the way I grew up. We always had a garden and ate well and were warm in the winter. This family is caught somewhere in between. The parents need to s*** or get off the pot if you ask me. It's not about thier beliefs not matching mine, it's about using the Bible to justify not trying to do any better for thier kids.
How dare you say that I'm a neglectful parent to my children!!!! When I got married I married for life not knowing yrs down the road he would find hitting me and other women a big turn on. I work because I have no choice I'm the only bread winner in this family and without my income we would be living on Welfare...so you need to be happy that I am working ...its saving you on your taxes!!! Not to mention the fact that I go to Church faithfully as do my kids, we are all three involved in various ministries myself 4 of them, so don't go preaching stuff about people you don't even know.  Matthew 7:1-2 Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. Matthew 12:37 For by your words you will be aquitted, and by your words you will be condemmed. So heed my advice and back off being so hateful to those of us who have no choice but to be living as a divorced, working mother, or father.
 
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February 16, 2008, 11:33 am PST

Pathetic & Deranged Parents!

This is the first time that I am writing here on the message boards, but I just feel the need to. I am a 35 year old woman, single, with no children. I am waiting to have children until I am fully financially able. Why do people have children that they can not support? Have you heard of birth control? Oh, that's right, you can't afford that either! I really do not get this! I can not believe that Dr. Phil didn't mention anything about Social Services or DYFS. If that was my sister, I would request full custody of those children and let her live with her pathetic husband. It is insane to believe that God is going to provide them with running water, shelter and the bare necessities to live. I was sickened by watching that wife pet her husband throughout the whole show. They are both insane individuals and I feel sorry for those children. Good thing that I don't know them because I would do something about it!
 
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February 16, 2008, 11:38 am PST

You're right!

Quote From: ljdena

please America!!!!!!!   it's clear as the "hair  in a witches wart" Dan has had a mental breakdown due to the unfortunate circumstances surrounding his business ventures of the past.  He spoke if them repeatedly, he is obsessed.  He can't move past what has happened to him.  His wife, clearly loves him, so she believes it's faith that helps her stand by her man. The children are casualties of war.  The battle is with mental illness. 

 

 

HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It was so obvious that Dan was obsessed with recounting all of the reasons why his business had failed, AS IF that had any relevance to his current situation.  "Stuff" happens, but life goes on.  I agree with you,  Dan has had some kind of breakdown (or an existing problem is simply escalating) and he is stuck in self-pity. Fear of failure is probably at play here too.  As long as Dan can wander in the wilderness and wait for a burning bush, he doesn't have to be a mature, independent, responsible man/father/husband. 

 

His wife isn't helping matters by enabling him.  She treats him like one of her children.  At the end of the show, she had her arm around his shoulders, stroking and patting him in a very maternal way.   She needs help getting him to accept help.

 

And not to be too morbid about this, but doesn't this couple conjure up images of Rusty and Andrea Yates?  We all know the tragic end to that story.  This couple needs serious help...and fast.

 
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February 16, 2008, 11:46 am PST

I GAVE you oars!

Quote From: buterfly429

My husband and I just watched this show and we felt that the whole show was slanted the wrong direction.  These parents know what is important and it is TRUSTING THE LORD FOR EVERYTHING.  When Dr. Phil said, "ya trust the Lord, but row to the shore", it just shows that he really doesn't believe.  That means he is using his own will instead of being silent and listening to the Lord for an answer.  I wish I knew more people like this family and I wish I knew how to get a hold of them.  More families should be like this and we would all be better off.  Instead of judging, how 'bout a little praying instead.

It's great to trust in the Lord.....but He also says that He will help those who help themselves....which means using common sense...which, by the way, he also gave us.

 

Dr Phil said, "Ya trust the Lord, but row to the shore"....well YEAH! What would you have the boater do....sit in the boat and wait for the wind to come up and blow him onto the shore? That could take forever; he could die of starvation, and when he got to Heaven and questioned why God didn't blow him to shore, God would look at him, shake His head at this fool and say, "I gave you oars so you could help yourself to shore!  

 

Kind of like I said in another posting: A man stands in the middle of a freeway and says,  "I have total faith in God. He will prevent cars from hitting me." Of course, he gets smooshed. When he gets to Heaven, he angrily asks God, "Why did You not prevent me from getting hit by those cars?"  God replied: "I gave you the common sense to stay out of the street...you chose to ignore it!"

 

Common sense, people....just common sense.

 

"More families should be like this"? I don't think so!

 

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February 16, 2008, 11:46 am PST

yes, you're right

Quote From: ihmhehdh

 I'm not positive but I think Dr. Phil's show give people clothes and makeup.
If a guest wants to wear clothes that the studio has available, they may do so, or bring their own to wear.  Generally the staff wants you to bring a couple different outfits of your own, if you so desire, or wear theirs. That includes shoes, clothes, jewelry,etc. And, yes, you get your hair and makeup done at the studio as well.  All you have to do is let them know your size, or sizes, and they will have clothes ready for your arrival. Of course, you leave them there when the show is over....haha!
 
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