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Created on : Friday, February 08, 2008, 12:25:06 pm
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(Original Air Date: 02/15/08) What happens when a parent’s agenda becomes so extreme that his or her children are forced to live a harsh, stoic existence? Dan and Janna are a college-educated couple married for 15 years with seven children, ages ranging from 2 weeks to 14. They have no income, no heat, no running water and are about to lose their house. Dan and Janna believe that their primitive lifestyle is God’s will, and that they are being led by the Lord. Janna’s mom, Carol, and stepdad, Rich, are worried about the health of their grandchildren. Are they eating enough? Are they warm enough? They say because the children are home schooled, they live in a cult-like home environment, and are not exposed to the outside world. Carol and Rich are willing to bail this family out one last time, but why are Dan and Janna refusing the help? After eight failed businesses, why won’t Dan get a job to support his family? Where will they go when they are forced out of their home? Talk about the show here.

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February 15, 2008, 3:12 pm PST

02/15 Living on a Prayer

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There is nothing wrong with having religion, but he is using it in a false way to be lazy and control his family. After this show airs....they better get it straight becasue child protective services will be after them soon but maybe thats what the children need. Those por children and the sad part is I dont think the family honestly gets it...they think or aleast mom thinks they are doing all they can do...i think in some way dad knows but mom lets dad get away with it.
I was thinking the same thing about child protective services. Usually, Dr. Phil says something like 'my interest is in these kids and if you don't do something about this problem, I will....' How is an infant living in a house with no heat not abuse? I just wanted to shake the **** out of both of them!
 
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February 15, 2008, 3:12 pm PST

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When this man realizes that his interpretation of the scriptures is incorrect and begins to feel let down by God there is going to be a problem.  Were talking family annihilation here.

  Dr Phil, This message sounds a warning.  There is a serious lack of reality being expressed in this case which could tip into outright insanity.  Get those kids to a safe haven before it is too late and he thinks the Lord is leading him to send them to heaven.  The scripture also says"let him who won't work not eat."

II Thes.3:10. He can make that choice for himself, but has no right to subject his children to his fantasies.

 
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February 15, 2008, 3:12 pm PST

dr phil has no clue

on how difficult it is to find a good job in this market place.  I found the show was based too much on god(this word or defination of it does not do it) so much focus on the problem and money and not enough

on practical solutions.

 

JD

 

 

 
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February 15, 2008, 3:13 pm PST

Living on a Prayer

I would hope that after this show has aired that the child protective services steps in and removes those children. I do not understand how people can put children through what this couple has the&@&@&@& nerve do put their kids through all in the name of the "lord". If anything this couple needs to pray for some common sense!

Thankyou

Ann in Ottawa

 
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February 15, 2008, 3:13 pm PST

NOT TO BE RUDE, BUT...

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It was a little creepy turning on Dr. Phil to hear about a woman with the same name as mine with many similarities as me.  Ok there a few differences like I only spell my name with one N, I only have 4 children and my husband works but I homeschool (and proud of it), my husband doesn't make enough right now, we are college educated, we depend on family and government assistance to make it and I turn to God and hope next year (going on three years now) will be better.  Dr. Phil didn't answer a question I (and maybe the other Janna) wanted to know.  How do we support our husbands into a higher paying job without ruining our marriage?  I mean it is a little late to decide which of the kids we are going to get rid of because they cost money and make it hard for us moms to work.  How do you help a middle age man to find his passion so he does not make us miserable just so we have enough money to "make it"?  Why can't we have a real answer and not just knock us down for the choices we have already made.
This is the kind of question that you should kind of know the anwer to BEFORE you have 4 kids...I mean come on, 1 kid could have been "unplanned" but 4...and now you want to know what to do. I think you should know what kind of man you are with before you start having kids. The kids COME FIRST....millions of people work jobs every day that they is not their "passion" passion doesnt always pay the bills, and truthfully when you have kids, if you have not reached your career goals before having them, and found your passion BEFORE having them...then you are really in a FIX....You have to pay the bills provide for your kids...and if you can find your passion in themidst of that, then fine...I do not know a "college educated" couple, that gets government assistance...what kind of college, clown college...come on seriously, I am a full time student and my husband works full time, we have 2 children and we get NO assistance whatsoever....and my husband does not have a degree....maybe your husband needs to get a better paying job....and you should sure not have any more kids, until then....sorry but that is REALITY
 

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February 15, 2008, 3:15 pm PST

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I hope someone steps in on behalf of the children and take them out of that "home" and then charge those parents with neglect and abuse.   Those parents might end up killing those children because their "God" told them they need to be saved.

 

Why are those people allowed to live like that...WITH children?

Doesn't this community have child protective services? Doesn't anyone know the unhealthy conditions in which these children live? Where does Dan get the money for his "experiments"? They must be on welfare and food stamps, so why doesn't anyone know about the lack of heat and hot water?

It seems that this smug, self-righteous man does the only thing he can do well--get his wife pregnant. I hope we're not looking at another Andrea Yates situation here.

 

 
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February 15, 2008, 3:15 pm PST

It's 3:06pm

If my knowledge of ignorant self described Christians holds true his answer to Phil will be he holds true to his believe and only God can tell him what's right.  I've had enough of religious idiots and will turn the channel if he comes back at anytime with the I only listen to God routine.
 
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February 15, 2008, 3:16 pm PST

Been there, Done that!!!

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Yeah this family needs alot of prayers. I am sure their self pride is preventing them from getting the financial help they need from extended family members (and they should not have to be in the position to have to help). Their pride has closed their heart and mind to wise and sensible living.  

 

The first thought that went through my mind is that is alot of kids to provide for. Businesses fail alot and that is no excuse to continue to have more kids. They definately need a better plan then the one they have!

 

It really is troublesome when people throw the term "God's Will" around like they have! It is their wrong definition of "God's Will" and it has also been their excuse for continuing to live the way they have!  

 

My understanding of God's will is it means the same for everyone who chooses to follow God. God's plan does not lead families in the ditch, humans do that on their own will!

 

Today's program brought back alot of memories and they were not good memories.My dad was an alcoholic and didn't provide for our family of 9 children so we lived with no electriciy, gas, hot water or even food alot of times. The church people did the best they could to help us but we still about starved to death.I loved my parents even when we were going through this but I come to resent them too. Dad,f or the things he did and mom, because she let him. She stayed with him no matter what because she thought she couldn't live without him.Us kids paid the price for that. Dad worked some and even had decent jobs but every Friday night he wouldn't come home from work.When he did get home sometime Saturday morning, someone had stolen his wallet??????? so of course we had no money to buy food,clothes,or pay any bills. You've heard the saying"We moved everytime the rent was due"? Well, that was a reality in our home.I married at an early age and we were determined we were going to have a home for our children and they would not have to go through the humiliation I did. That is exactly what happened. I thank God for that. It's kinda ironic now that in our 50's, we may be homeless before too long though. My husband had to go on disability in 1998 for a mistake made in the operating room at the hospital where he was having a simple
gall bladderectomy. I had a good job so we made it. Not easy but we made it. Now, my plant downsized and my job is gone. I can't find a job anywhere and I am really scared. It feels like dajavous in some ways. Not because we haven't tried. I am really having a hard time with this one though. We are 3 months behind on our house payment and no job in sight. We are raising our 2 year old grand daughter because her mommy died when she was 4 months old. I don't want her to go through anything like I did. Please kept us in your prayer. Right now, that is our only hope.
 
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February 15, 2008, 3:16 pm PST

CPS...

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Dr. Phil:  Aren't you now required to report this child abuse?

These nuts don't desserve to raise kids.  Birth control, people, use it!  The Lord may provide CPS's boot up your bum if you don't wake up and get a job.

 
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February 15, 2008, 3:17 pm PST

WHAT HAPPENS WHEN...........

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Janna could be observed several times on today's show breastfeeding her newborn baby. She was in a reclining position laying on a  couch or bed. Did you observe that? Probably not because it is so easy to breastfeed and no one will know what you are actually doing.

That is one decision I can credit them with doing. Breastfeeding is the best gift they could give that dear baby.

Therefore no need to warm up a bottle. The best food for a newborn baby...always available, always at the right temperature. ( Just too bad I saw a pacifier in the baby's mouth at one point.)

....when the breast-feeding Mom runs dry, develops an infection, eats a harmful food, has to go to the emergency room, takes a medication which is harmful to breast-fed babies or baby is allergic to her milk and needs soy or special formulas?    WHAT THEN? Can she boil drinking water for baby's safety?  Their water supply did not look sanitary to me. Will baby eat unheated, non-refrigerated baby food when the time comes? How will she store pumped breast milk if Janna goes to work?
 
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