Topic : 07/17 Living on a Prayer

Totally agree with your opinion!  That's exactly what will happen after he moans and groans about

"Oh Lord, why hast thou forsaken me?"  If he has access to his children and their mother when that thought comes to him, he will send them all to heaven! 

 It is very difficult to compete with the idea of a certain behavior being "God's leading".  Here are a few items I believe that God clearly expects of His people.

God expects you to be gainfully employed to provide for your family.  What does that mean?  Simply this: having a job that is morally upright and provides value to your employer.  In other words, doing something  that someone is willing to pay you for.  Dan claims he had a good business.  Perhaps he did.  Where is it now?  It doesn't really matter what you had,  it's what you have now.  Last month he had something to eat.  That has little bearing on your empty stomach today.  You simply can't sail with yesterday's wind.  If you are in your forties and haven't figured this out yet then you are certainly educated beyond your intelligence.
(By the way, hobbies don't qualify as jobs).  I don't think Dan cares what others think.

It is simply pride and selfishness that allows Dan to behave like this.  Dan needs to put the interest of his family first.  Having a regular job really cuts into your schedule and social life.  Many days I'd rather be doing something else.  Doesn't matter.  I am to work to provide for my family even if I don't feel like it.
God does provide for His people.  He gives you talent and abilities.  He expects you to trust Him for the outcomes when you use them.  But He expects you to use them!!!
The farmer that prays for a good crop of corn should say "Amen" and then pick up a hoe and start using it!
  Personally, I think Dan is a taker and bailing him out won't change his attitude.

My main concern is, if  the children ARE receiving adequate health, dental, and vision care? As a mother of three teenage boys who is full-time employed with insurance to cover most of these expenses, I still have a hard time affording all the co-pays, deductibles, etc... I can only imagine that these children are not receiving the care they need and deserve! Oh, and by the way, my husband also works full-time, as a long haul truck driver to provide for us. I thank God for our jobs, and our ability to work! I think God helps those who HELP THEMSELVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

I really think that Dan just doesn't get it.  He keeps saying how everyone doesn't know the whole story and blames other people for losing money.  Get off your butt and do something.  The Lord helps those who help themselves.  Give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach a man to fish and he eats for a lifetime.  This man really needs help, emotionally, mentally, just all the way around and his wife isn't any better either.  He had just a blank expression on his face like there was nothing wrong with what he was doing.

I NEVER have written into these things, but I just have to comment here.  The Bible says many things about providing for your family.  Another thing that the Bible says, is that your family is your first ministry.  So, pursuing your dreams and the "gifts" the Lord has given you while neglecting your kids needs is just NOT the Lord.  Yes, I do believe that the Lord provides, and BTW, no where in the Bible does it say that the Lord helps those who help themselves.  It does say, however, those that don't work, don't eat.  Our family isn't perfect.  When I had my first kid, we believed that I should be home to care for the kids.  Being as I was the primary breadwinner, that seemed impossible.  We began to pray.  After the birth of our first son, an opportunity for a business for my husband came up.  We sent him to train while I was on my maternity leave.  He began building up that business.  Over the course of the next couple years, times were hard.  I got a job from home doing transcribing for a court reporting agency to supplement our income.  We borrowed money against our house to fund our new business.  We also tithed regularly, and believed that if we were good stewards of the money we were given, God would honor that.  We believe God honors the decisions we make for the good of our family.  That being said, both of us are working for income, and we've sacrificed a lot.  After 3 years, hubby's business is prospering more than ever.  We haven't borrowed any money since June.  My hubby has a part time job that gets us all benefits for our whole family, and I still work for the court reporters.  We still have our house, and we have no credit card debt.  We are working towards paying down our mortgage since we borrowed against the house to fund the business.  We are expecting our third child, and we are prospering.  We have never lived off the government, and we believe that God has blessed us by making a way for us to live, and have me home with our kids.  This family makes me sick.  I grew up with a mentally unstable mother and a deadbeat dad.  They did all kinds of things "in the name of the Lord".  We had no heat, phone, water, etc. from time to time.  It was wrong!  We always resented them for making us live like that.  I can honestly say, we will do whatever we have to to provide for our family.  I hope someone takes those kids out of there.  Isn't that abuse?  Can't CPS step in?

JUST HOW DAMN STUPID I MUST BE  LOL  POSTING THAT MAN ON TODAYS SHOW A MESSAGE HERE ON THIS TOPIC BOARD  LOL HELL HE AINT GOING TO SEE THIS, CRAP HE AINT GOT NO POWER ON AT HIS HOME TO RUN A COMPUTER  ,ITS A SADS SITUATION BUT TRUE, DAMN HOW STUPID OF ME  LOL KIND OF FUNNY IN A WAY THO, CAUSE I UNLOADED ON HIM, OHHH WELL WASNT HIM I UNLOADED ON HE WONT BE SEEING MY MESSAGES  LOL, MAYBE ONE OF HIS NEAGHBORS WILL SEE THEM AND PRINT THEM OUT AND GIVE THEM TO HIM  LOL, HAVE A GREAT DAY EVERY ONE I THINK I NEED TO WAKE MY SELF UP APARENTLY MY BRAIN AINT WORKIN TODAY I BETTER GET OFF MY CHILDS COMPUTER , IT TAKES BRAINS TO USE THESE THINGS  LOL

I blame the parents. There is no way in the hell I would be funneling thousands of dollars to those two shiftless lay abouts . The bottom line is those two want a free ride on the parent's dime...and they're getting it.  It's time for some tough love. What the mother and step father should do is report those bums to DHS. I bet that would light a fire under their sorry asses.

Right on you hit the nail on the head.It just made my blood boil sitting there watching those two justifying child abuse and neglect

Sad thing is, I doubt she'll go to work either, she's too busy popping out babies.

But I will say I felt more pity and sadness for this man than anger.  Now do I agree with the situation those kids are in NO, do I feel bad for Mom, NO she has a choice and she made it baby factory, if you don't belive in birth control, then stop having sex, they have degrees, but then I guess they slept through THOSE classes.

But the most frustrating thing for me, this man was obviously lost and no one thought to address that, he was there but he wasn't if that makes any sense.  He reminded me of someone who has had so much pain and failure in his life, that he drew into a world that HE could CONTROL and predict.  Being determined to be his own boss no matter the cost, is telling, I think more than ANYTHING he NEEDS profesional help to deal with those issues, otherwise he'll never be a contributing memeber of society.

She seems capable of working, exscept for the small baby, I understand that, but she's so wrapped up in him being right, she won't let go for any reason, even if it means sacrificing the physical and mental well being of the children, those kids should be taken out and let those two figure out HOW they'll get them back, if she loves them as much as she CLAIMS then she will tell her husband to get help, and if he refuses then she has two choices, she can use her degree, get a job, and live as a single parent OR she can resign herself to supporting him.

He just looked so void, his eyes showed NOTHING, his face NOTHING, his voice NOTHING, it was like he was a zombie.

 

 

I cannot understand how the Child Protective Services in this country can let children live in conditions such as these.  With no running water, no heat in the house isn't that abuse?  How do they buy food and get medical care for these children?  These children are home schooled so they do not even have school administrators looking out for them.  I just do not understand why it is o.k. to treat helpless children this way.  They did not ask to be brought into this world and they do not deserve to be treated like this.  I feel the grandparents have every right to be concerned about the well fare of them.  Dr. Phil please get these kids some help.