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Topic : 07/17 Living on a Prayer

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Created on : Friday, February 08, 2008, 12:25:06 pm
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(Original Air Date: 02/15/08) What happens when a parent’s agenda becomes so extreme that his or her children are forced to live a harsh, stoic existence? Dan and Janna are a college-educated couple married for 15 years with seven children, ages ranging from 2 weeks to 14. They have no income, no heat, no running water and are about to lose their house. Dan and Janna believe that their primitive lifestyle is God’s will, and that they are being led by the Lord. Janna’s mom, Carol, and stepdad, Rich, are worried about the health of their grandchildren. Are they eating enough? Are they warm enough? They say because the children are home schooled, they live in a cult-like home environment, and are not exposed to the outside world. Carol and Rich are willing to bail this family out one last time, but why are Dan and Janna refusing the help? After eight failed businesses, why won’t Dan get a job to support his family? Where will they go when they are forced out of their home? Talk about the show here.

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February 15, 2008, 5:27 pm PST

hmmmm

 Has this man ever heard the saying "The Lord helps those who help themselves." ? Has he ever heard the joke about the man trapped on his roof during a flood? The man prayed to God for help and when a boat and then a helicopter came he turned them away, saying that God would save him. The man eventually died and when he got to heaven he asked God why he didn't save him. God told the man that he did try to save him, he sent a boat and a helicopter.
God loves you but he isn't going to pay your mortgage.  It isn't fair to these kids to live like that and while they may not show signs of it affecting them now they will later.
God doesn't want us to rely solely on Him. That would take all the living out of life
 
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February 15, 2008, 5:28 pm PST

god bless this family

shame on those who would tear down this mans good works I pray for his family to hold together in the face of such over whelming lack of faith. the hate and pessimism that I saw thrown at this man is obvious as it was sickening. I hope this man stops taking money from people who would stop him from achieving his goals. shame on all of you for your lack of faith I know that we can do better. we have all been brainwashed not to support (emotionaly) each other.

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February 15, 2008, 5:28 pm PST

Living free does not mean accepting hand outs

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I agree completely!

There are many people in our country that choose to live simply. They largely take care of their own medical needs, they may believe that all children are a blessing from God,  and they believe that homeschooling is a better way. They are looked at as been poor or trash or neglectful, when in fact they aren't. It's just a lifestyle choice, and who's to say that's any more wrong then any other lifestyle choice?
I think that these people would have had their children removed from the home by now if the Mom and Dad had not been enabling in their foolish journey to trust in the Lord. I have a sister-n-law who my husband and I warned not to start having children right away but to get to know her husband first for a few years. We came from  abusive homes and made the decision to wait 7 years and only had two children and have done well. Her and her husband went on to have five children in six years and then she finally admitted her husband was abusive to her and the children. The whole time they were singing praises to God and Praising the Lord, but in reality they were living in Hell. They divorced and she married another man and had two more children right away. Once again Praising the Lord and Doing God's will. Bla Bla Bla. Once again husband number two was abusive and she divorced him and ended up in the Psych Ward. Her children were put in several different church families. She is trying to get her life back together but still will not accept responsibility for the role she had to play in her relationships, with the family and her children.
 
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February 15, 2008, 5:31 pm PST

02/15 Living on a Prayer

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This is beyond judging or name calling. This guy needs a  mental health diagnosis. And his wife is in denial. I hope Dr. Phil intervenes or something. Very disturbing for those precious children.
I agree!  Have written a comment wondering why intervention or an offer of counseling/career/guidance help was not even offered.  Dan's flat affect and demeanor throughout the whole show sends up dozens of red flags!
 
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February 15, 2008, 5:34 pm PST

I just don't understand.

I appreciate anyone who starts a business and puts in a lot of hard work.  I did it myself and worked for 25 wonderful years, BUT I did not do it at my families expense.  This man is so worried about telling why something didn't work that he cant/won't get to the future work to do.    He needs to go to McDonalds if that is all he can do  and get to work.  Earn some money, set the house up again, take care of his 7 children then start to save money.   It will take forever but some things are worth waiting on.  It is possible for him to do his own business if he has savings to take care of the down times we all go through.  He needs better priorities.
 
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February 15, 2008, 5:35 pm PST

Why

Don't know where they live but where in the world is child social services?  Dr. Phil how in the world do you deal with stupid people day after day?

 
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February 15, 2008, 5:37 pm PST

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1 Timothy 5:8

But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.

 

I am sorry, but if these people are being led, they are not being led by what God has said in his word.  I don't believe God leads people contrary to what the Bible says.

 

I didn't say this . . . God said it . . . this man (Dan) has denied the faith and is worse than an infidel.  I don't know how God judges the wife Janna, except . . . 

Romans 14:12

So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

 

I am concerned for the children's sake.

Lady

 

 

I totally agree. I always say "the Lord loves a working man!"

 
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February 15, 2008, 5:37 pm PST

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I am from Ontario, Canada and just finished watching the show listed above, and I have to say I'm a little disappointed in Dr. Phil.  I would've thought that he would've threatened to have those children taken away from those parents unless that couple gets jobs.  I've seen previous shows where Dr. Phil has promised to bring in Child Protective Services, where their circumstances were better than these poor 7 children.  Due to their parents selfish acts, regardless of their religious convictions, these 7 kids are living in intolerable conditions, that are bad for their health!!  How can that not be something worth reporting to Child Protective Services?  I understand these parents love their children, but this is neglect and this man has no intention of changing anything.  He believes the whole world sees him as wrong because we don't know the whole story...what he doesn't see is that it doesn't matter.  They should be living in the here and now, and I believe Child Protective Services should be sent in.  Maybe if they were afraid of losing their 7 children, he would get off his butt and get a steady job.
I was wondering too why Dr. Phil didn't threaten Child Protective Services this time when I have seen him do it before with other abuse cases...
 
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February 15, 2008, 5:38 pm PST

HOW?

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I gave this man and his wife a lot of credit. I think they are doing great and learning a lot thru their situation.  I think this man should be honored by trying to do the right thing. I do believe the Lord will help them and sometimes the Lord waits till the last minute to do it to check out the faith of the person.  These children were not starving and I am sure that the father and the mother would make sure they never do.   Yes sometimes we learn from out mistakes and perhaps he will get a job but I don't think for a moment this family got a fair shot at ex planing how they live and why.   Many people in this country go without water and heat for one reason or another for a length of time and usually learn valuable lessons in doing so.   This man's faith is awesome and wish I had the faith he did.  I honor his wife for loving her husband thru thick and thin.  They are teaching their kids the powerful message of faith and love and many other things.  I do think Dr Phil put a huge slant on their life style as it makes good TV.   I saw the mother in law have such a hateful face, it almost seem demonic.  Sure they are worried about their grand kids but if they wouldn't of helped them so much with money in the past, the problem would of solved it self long ago.  Why not do what you think is right if you are being hand fed money at every turn.    I think Dr. Phil's faith is nothing compared to this man, as most TV shows are full of gossip.   I use to like watching Dr. Phil till I watched him devote a entire show on britney spears, without her permission.   He loves butting in where he doesn't belong.  I say to this family to continue to do what you are doing and your faith will grow, your relationship with the lord will grow and God won't fail you in the end.    Don't let others tell you how to live, just live the way the lord tells you too.  
How can you reconcile it in your head that this is okay to do to these kids? The thing I don't think you get is that they don't have a lack of opportunity. These are educated people who could get a job if the want, she chooses not to and he just would rather try to sell stuff that he made. Nothing is wrong with that but when you bring kids in the mix you have to support them, that is Gods will. You sound pretty mislead yourself.
 
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February 15, 2008, 5:38 pm PST

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As soon as I saw this show begin an old joke I'd once heard kept running through my mind...  There was a man who lived in a house near where a river has flooded.  The authorities came to evacuate the neighborhood but the man refused to leave telling the officers, "The Lord will provide!  He'll see me through."    The water rises to where the man had to go to the second floor of his home at which point rescuers came in a boat and told the man to get in the boat and they'd take him to safety.  Again the man refused and said, "God will provide, he'll see me through!"  The waters continued to rise and the man had to go to his roof because the water was now that high.  A helicopter came and they begged the man to please let them take him to safety.  Again the man refused saying the same things.  He drowned.  When he got to heave he met with God and asked, Lord, why did you let me die?  I thought you'd save me, thought you'd see me through!?"  God looked at him and shaking his head in pity and said, " And who do you think sent the authorities, the boat and the helicopter?"   God is sending these people help via Dr. Phil.  In all that have asked for it, Dr. Phil has chosen them to  bring on this show and he has resources that the rest of us have prayed to have access to.  They'll get their help but I somehow doubt that they'll see that it was God who has sent them the gift of Dr. Phil's intervention.  Nuff Said...
This little joke is so funny but so very, very true.  Dan needs to stop relying on his own interpretation of events and "God's will," and ask for insight from others.
 
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