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Created on : Friday, February 08, 2008, 12:25:06 pm
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(Original Air Date: 02/15/08) What happens when a parent’s agenda becomes so extreme that his or her children are forced to live a harsh, stoic existence? Dan and Janna are a college-educated couple married for 15 years with seven children, ages ranging from 2 weeks to 14. They have no income, no heat, no running water and are about to lose their house. Dan and Janna believe that their primitive lifestyle is God’s will, and that they are being led by the Lord. Janna’s mom, Carol, and stepdad, Rich, are worried about the health of their grandchildren. Are they eating enough? Are they warm enough? They say because the children are home schooled, they live in a cult-like home environment, and are not exposed to the outside world. Carol and Rich are willing to bail this family out one last time, but why are Dan and Janna refusing the help? After eight failed businesses, why won’t Dan get a job to support his family? Where will they go when they are forced out of their home? Talk about the show here.

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February 15, 2008, 9:51 pm PST

Shocked as well.......

Jesus taught any who would hear to love one another. What does that mean? It means word study of the usage, the context and the culture in which the idea was being taught in at the time it was written/spoken. Maybe God has led these people or not, but I did not hear he/they beat their children. I did NOT hear that they are/were sexual predators. I heard that they are living as most human beings live in this world, in truth perhaps even to a higher standard. Perhaps not, I didn't hear that information during the show.

 

What angers me is that in the absence of stated abuse, neglect has been defined by a wealthy person who came out of poverty. Sure it must have been tough, even horrible-- yet those experiences are the very foundations that have built the empire into what it is today-- a show that has far reaching potential for both injury and healing. Dr. Phil wouldn't be on the air without his past, without providence and each player moving at the right time. If that family or any of you makes more than $1,500 per year, I learned in Church that they made more than 75% of the world's population. Neglect as a reason to tear a family apart in this case has been defined by glutenous Americans repeatedly on this board, not starving Hindus or Africans.

 

I heard grandparents complaining about giving money and materials. Doesn't that imply change of control/ownership? If they had wanted the water bill only paid, they should have paid the water company directly. If they wanted to feed the children, they should have brought food to them. Were they actually trying to help or were they trying to control? Give and walk away. Don't look back. Anything else is just a loan hidden in expections of a return of some kind. That is not giving. Give or don't Give, but IF you give-- do so with a cheerful heart as unto the Lord. Do not please attach strings to it. That is a trap of the enemy.

 
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February 15, 2008, 10:03 pm PST

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My husband and I just watched this show and we felt that the whole show was slanted the wrong direction.  These parents know what is important and it is TRUSTING THE LORD FOR EVERYTHING.  When Dr. Phil said, "ya trust the Lord, but row to the shore", it just shows that he really doesn't believe.  That means he is using his own will instead of being silent and listening to the Lord for an answer.  I wish I knew more people like this family and I wish I knew how to get a hold of them.  More families should be like this and we would all be better off.  Instead of judging, how 'bout a little praying instead.
Oh please, that's easy for you to say.  You're not one of these kids that have to live like that.  I strongly believe in prayer, but I also believe that you should work in conjunction with your prayers instead of just sitting there waiting for God to throw something great in your lap. 
 
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February 15, 2008, 10:09 pm PST

Living on a Prayer

Dan is, like a prior member of the Dr. Phil House, giving Christianity and dedicated Christians a bad name.  He is so misled it is heartbreaking.  As Dr. Phil said, "Pray to the Lord, but row for the shore."   My faith view is also that of Dr. Phil.  Dan is taking Scripture TOTALLY out of context to support his skewed view of "I trust in the Lord."  His reference to Shadrach, Meschak and Abednego was totally laughable, and had absolutely NOTHING to do with his (Dan's) situation.  But you could see he felt very self-righteous in quoting it to support himself.   I couldn't believe it when Dan said he "thought selling the red light blocker" would appeal to people who didn't want their rights trampled"!  What about the precious people who have THEIR rights trampled by just such a person RUNNING a red ilght and t-boning and killing them or horribly injuring them!  Does God condone his selling to enable the red-light runners' rights from being trampled???  God forbid!  The visiting Pastor was right on:  God expects us to use our common sense to see when things aren't working, and see that the obvious decision is to get a regular, paying job!  Dan is a "semi-master of all trades, a master of NONE."  Quit having children (she can't say "no" to a new life!) and support the 7 you have! 
 
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February 15, 2008, 10:10 pm PST

02/15 Living on a Prayer

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As a Registered Nurse.....I  saw the show and all I could think of is.. who is paying for the births, well child checks, immunizations and other healthcare needs of the children?  Probably the state which is our tax dollars at work. While I work my 40 hours a week to provide for my family, I'm also paying for families such as this family to be able to continue to have as many children as they want with no financial burden. Not only do I pay $ out of pocket each month for my healthcare premium  (my employer pays the rest),  I pay co-pays, deductibles, etc.  This family can proclaim all they want they are self reliant but they are burdening our healthcare system and those of us who work are paying for their children's healthcare.  If they had to pay for each office visit, childbirth, etc. they wouldn't keep having children because they'd have to become responsible and stop.  What if one of those children breaks an arm?  (check out trampoline statistics with ER visits and injuries). Needs hospitalization?  They get free care and if one of my children breaks an arm or needs hospitalization I'm paying whatever my insurance doesn't pay, ER co-payee, including the deductible.  They are truly kidding themselves if they think they are not burdening anyone-in the long run we all pay.  Its time someone steps in and says "enough".  I can't imagine continuing to bring children into the world with no means to support them.  Its just all so WRONG.  There is nothing wrong with having your own dreams and wanting to be self employed - until you have 7 children that you need to be responsible for. 
Amen!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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February 15, 2008, 10:17 pm PST

"Dan the miss guided man"

  Well I watched the show, that should've been a " Special" and a 2hr one at that. Dr Phil i hope you and the young pastor got a chance to spend private time together with this couple..?  I'am a "practicing Christian" and you know I believe we all have our own interpretation of the "Word" to a certain extent .  Dan you need to provide more for your family "now ' "2008"  brother.  God has givin us all talents and there is an old sayin that  "do what you love to do for a living and you'll never work another day in your life" .  We all must live in the "here and now"  but remember the "Word" does say "Do not be conformed to this world". 

   Dan needs to find a job Immediately and get back to the real world . I know it's ugly and not a great place to raise children but it's not gonna go a way  and quite possibly  is going to get alot worse.  I believe Dan has the right intension and is partially on the right track ,but it's not quite the end yet and DOES'NT  need to live like he is presently living. 

   Brother you need to give your children an abundent life with Christ in it, the life they have now is not good. God wants the best for each and every one of us and he helps those who help themselves.  We as Christians  our number one priority  is to bring others to Christ (John 14:6) and when we live a Godly life everything  else just seems to fall into place.  We all need to pray for Dan.  when we work from day to day  for someone else , we need to work like we are working for God for in a sense we are.

     

 
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February 15, 2008, 10:26 pm PST

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I hope someone steps in on behalf of the children and take them out of that "home" and then charge those parents with neglect and abuse.   Those parents might end up killing those children because their "God" told them they need to be saved.

 

Why are those people allowed to live like that...WITH children?

Everyone's perspective is different.  From my perspective, parents who spend more time at work than with their children are neglectful.  Parents who let day cares and public schools do the job that they should be doing are neglectful.  Parents who can't manage to stay married to people they chose to marry are neglectful.

 

Obviously, not having electricity is a problem.  How can the parents get anything done without sticking their kids in front of the TV?  How would they ever find out what Dr. Phil spoke about with Brittney Spears?  For this reason alone,  the Amish and all those who don't use electricity should have their children taken from them and given to the State.

 

Sure this guy might not be making as much money as the preacher who helps the poor, but he is providing food, water, and education for his children.  If they loose the house then they can live in a tent like the prophet and patriarch, Abraham.  Of course, Abraham was only the father of Judaism, Islam, and Christianity, but if the good Christians on this thread had there way, CPS would've taken Abraham's children, if not for living in the tent, then perhaps for being a polygamist.

 

And to think that Jesus said Abraham will be in the kingdom of heaven.  I have know doubt that many of the good Christians on this list are just waiting for the opportunity to get to heaven and call CPS on Abraham, Moses, and the other righteous men of God who dared to raise their families in tents, and without electricity and running water.

 

May the children of all those who have financial difficulties and whose religious beliefs don't match our own have their children taken away from them.  Let's just hope that you never fall into that category.

 
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February 15, 2008, 10:29 pm PST

Shame Shame!!

I cant believe these people. The wife sits there the whole show rubbing the husband's back to comfort him.. How can she allow this, and go along with this with her 7 kids involved.. And she  is so worried about his feelings (on the show continually rubbing his back) It's disgusting!!! Who's with me?? What about her 7 children??? I am outraged.. more so at her. As a mother myself, I want to know, how? Just how can you sit there and look into your childrens faces everyday?? Knowing what you are allowing them to endure... Then say the kids look happy. Their about to be homeless.. That is happy?? That existence forced on you at the hands of your parents?? And if that husband said 1 more time about the acrylic business is 1988... It's 2008.!!!! and that's the editied version.. he must have said it 50 times.. Is it me?? Buddy wake up!!!  You have7 children living in those conditions and soon to be homeless!!!   Depending on YOU!! And they have drained both his parents and hers  financially and emotionally.. SOMEBODY NEEDS TO STEP IN AND TAKE THOSE KIDS AWAY!! I think its a bunch of malarkey about "the lord's will" for them.. and more about those peoples laziness and clear incompetence..2 idiots.. they deserve one another.. only problem is, the kids dont deserve them..  I wish Dr. Phil had lit into them.. they got away too easily.. It's disgusting 2 grown ups and they keep having children.. Then the husband says "is that wrong" , when Dr. Phil asks why they keep having kids??? Arrgh!! They both need to get not only 1 job each but 3 each if necessary.. They choose to have all of those kids..the kids didnt choose them.. Then,  the wife says she has no intention of getting a job because of the newborn.. Ha! Instead asking her parents for their entire retirement fund,  ask them to baby sit the baby and get a job lady, and pay your bils and pay your mom and stepdad back.. I have been watching Dr. Phil's show everyday for 2 years and I have seen a lot on his show, but never have been so compelled to blog about the subjects.. but this goes too far.. I am disgusted with these people!!

 

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February 15, 2008, 10:29 pm PST

Setting a bad example

I have been a Christian for about 10 years now.  I attend church on a regular basis.  Part of being a Christian is setting a good example so others will want to follow.  I worked 2 jobs, 7 days a week, for years in order to give my daughter a college education.  I didn't get money from family, friends or the government.  My daughter is a hard working Christian with top notch morals and standards.  The father in this story probably makes none believers think twice about wanting to become a Christians.  I believe that they really do love their kids very much but love alone doesn't pay the bills.  I would flip hamburgers at the local Mc Donalds before I would let my kids become homeless.  I will pray that this father finds a job soon.
 
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February 15, 2008, 10:31 pm PST

Price of Mangoes

Does this guy really think his little mango tree will bring in enough cash if or when it fruits to feed his family? Has he checked the price of fruit in supermarkets? If he wants to live off the land he should try something quicker - like tomatoes. They could at least eat the produce then. Or set up a roadside stand.

I hope we get a follow-up sometime soon.

 
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February 15, 2008, 10:37 pm PST

02/15 Living on a Prayer

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As a Registered Nurse.....I  saw the show and all I could think of is.. who is paying for the births, well child checks, immunizations and other healthcare needs of the children?  Probably the state which is our tax dollars at work. While I work my 40 hours a week to provide for my family, I'm also paying for families such as this family to be able to continue to have as many children as they want with no financial burden. Not only do I pay $ out of pocket each month for my healthcare premium  (my employer pays the rest),  I pay co-pays, deductibles, etc.  This family can proclaim all they want they are self reliant but they are burdening our healthcare system and those of us who work are paying for their children's healthcare.  If they had to pay for each office visit, childbirth, etc. they wouldn't keep having children because they'd have to become responsible and stop.  What if one of those children breaks an arm?  (check out trampoline statistics with ER visits and injuries). Needs hospitalization?  They get free care and if one of my children breaks an arm or needs hospitalization I'm paying whatever my insurance doesn't pay, ER co-payee, including the deductible.  They are truly kidding themselves if they think they are not burdening anyone-in the long run we all pay.  Its time someone steps in and says "enough".  I can't imagine continuing to bring children into the world with no means to support them.  Its just all so WRONG.  There is nothing wrong with having your own dreams and wanting to be self employed - until you have 7 children that you need to be responsible for. 
Looking at the water collection, from the rainwater, sitting in the containers outside and inside - its also just a matter of time before this family becomes ill from the growing bacteria in this water.  Even if only used to flush the toilet, they are touching the water which leaves bacteria on their hands, then countertops, then children's hands, to their mouths.  They'll have diarrhea, staph infections and other illnesses most people don't even want to know about.  I see these illnesses every day and I wouldn't wish them on anyone.  I truly hope they don't continue to put their kids and themselves at this life-threatening risk.  And then again, who is going to pay for these medical bills, hospitalization, office visits, blood tests, IV's, medications.....
 
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