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(Original Air Date: 02/15/08) What happens when a parent’s agenda becomes so extreme that his or her children are forced to live a harsh, stoic existence? Dan and Janna are a college-educated couple married for 15 years with seven children, ages ranging from 2 weeks to 14. They have no income, no heat, no running water and are about to lose their house. Dan and Janna believe that their primitive lifestyle is God’s will, and that they are being led by the Lord. Janna’s mom, Carol, and stepdad, Rich, are worried about the health of their grandchildren. Are they eating enough? Are they warm enough? They say because the children are home schooled, they live in a cult-like home environment, and are not exposed to the outside world. Carol and Rich are willing to bail this family out one last time, but why are Dan and Janna refusing the help? After eight failed businesses, why won’t Dan get a job to support his family? Where will they go when they are forced out of their home? Talk about the show here.

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July 17, 2008, 6:40 pm PDT

07/17 Living on a Prayer

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I have a brother and sister in law who have been living in my mother in laws basement since 1994.  They have 2 beautiful daughers who are now 16 and 11.  My brother in law has not worked since 1994 and has maintained the fact that the Lord is going to give them the million dollar house and all that they need one day.  The girls were being home schooled until a neighbor went over and found the basement swarming with flying bugs.  She called DSS and they made them put the girls into public school.  The oldest daughter was kept back a grade but the youngest was only in the 1st grade so she was ok.  They have never been able to have friends over or have any kind of live of their own outside of church.  I was always taught that God will help those that help themselves.  Sitting on YOUR duff all day long is not helping yourself or your family.  It is being lazy and dependent on someone else to provide for the family that you brought into this world and that God gave YOU to protect and provide for.  As you can tell, this has alway been a touchy subject for me.  Get a life PEOPLE!

a major kick in the pants is when you sit on your behind for yearsand just work a little here and a little there  and don't support your family, when you get older and you retire you won't get nothing.  i live on 30 dollars a month, because i missed drawing more because i was short four quarters.  i did work some and babysitted for years didn't pay it in and that hurt.  but i was a housewife cooked cleaned and raised 3 boys and had a stroke/coma  and i am in a nursing home on medicaid.  if i would of worked those four extra quarters i would have medicare and therapy but i don't.  those 2 peas in a pod are just pathetic and dr phil; gets 19 lashes with a wet noodle for not doing an update because it has been 5 months since they ran the first show.  sincerely, teresa  Phil. 4:13
 
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July 17, 2008, 6:59 pm PDT

strange syndrome maybe

I think  these  people   have  some  kind  of  strange  syndrome ,
Ive  heard  of  what  is  called  the  Jerusalem  syndrome ,
where  people  become  traumatized  after  going  there  and  realization  of  it  all  being  real  sets  in ,
these  people  seemingly  have  some  type  of  really  warped  perceptive  about  society    ,  the  man  seems  to  be  having  some  type  of  like  "moral  patriotism"  thinking  going  on  in  his  brain  ,  I  mean  I  do  not  detect  this  family  is  in  any  danger  of   self  love  ,  thats  obvious .
I  am  not  quite  sure  just  how  in  the  world  they  got  such a  really  fearful  perception  of  the  world  and  what  is  going  on  in  it   I  do  not  think  they  are  receptive  to  selfism  advocated   by  the  worldly  system  of  things  .

psycologically   its  a  strange  syndrome   to  see  families  like  this  with  so  many  really  negative  effects  going  on    weird  to  say  but    there  is  some  really  over  the  top  religious  reconstructionist   in  the  world   in  direct  opposition  to   any  and  all  forms  of  secular  humanism 
maybe  they  are  suffering  from   armagedenism  trauma  or  antichristism    . 

I  just  pray  it  is  not  contagious  .  LOl 

I  feel  really  sorry  for  this  family  ,  neglect  is  neglect   and  not   moral  or   patriot  like  by  no  means   Godly  or  otherwise    .  seriously  misguided  to  think  they  have  to  live  that  way  .

well  one  thing  is  certian  the  man  is  not  into  positive  faith  word  of  mouth  cofession  with  faith  and  prosperity  teachings   thats    for  certian  !! 

he  could  use  some  of  that 
he  did  not  go  center  of  the  road   with  his  beliefs  he  went  totally  awol   sold  out  .
Is  this  a  strange  syndrome  ?  like  the  thing  called  Jeresalem  syndrome  ?
I  dont  have  a  clue  if  it  is  or  not 

just  something  about  the  look  in  this  mans  eyes  highly  indicates  to  me  that  something  has  him  traumatized 

maybe  its  povertyism   syndrome   or  something  . 

why ?  would  people  become  so  intimidated  by  the  world  lifestyles  they  would  revert  to  this  kind  of  living  ? 
why  do  they  deny  any  and  all  self  love  ?
do  they  really  believe  if  they  deny  all  that  they  can  have  faith  in  a  loving  giving  God ?
some where  and  some  how  these  people  were  seriously  mis-guided  ,  theres  to  much  missing  information  to determine   the  cause   .

the  sad  thing  is   no  matter  the  cause  ,  those  children  ,  as  well  as  the  whole  family  need  basic  nesesities  in  order  to  survive  .  This  act  of  survival  by  doing  without  is   not  faith  at  all  if  anything  it  is  in  such  rebellion  to   it  ,  it  is   destroying  them   not  saving  them 

this  man  clearly  is  following  the  guidence  of  a  strange  and  destructive  god  .

I  hope  he  gets  some  much  needed  help  for  his  syndrome   ,  a  job  and  some  means  to  care  for  his  family    ,  what  a  really  warped    sense  of  love  
Its  loveless   actually   if  one  thinks  realistically  . 

sad  sad   sad 
 
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July 17, 2008, 7:16 pm PDT

Those kids need to go to DSS.

I agree with what was said about if the parents want to live that way, that's fine.  This is America, you can do what you want.  But those kids have no say in the situation.  If I worked for DSS in that county, I'd have a minivan over at that household pronto and say, "Sorry, charlie, you're not doing your job."  Really, this is how parents who are *drug addicts* run their households; kids are taken away from them in a MINUTE.  I said this is America, you can do what you want - I take that back.  Right now, you cannot build a house (or maybe even buy one) without electricity, running water, heating and cooling, etc.  A house like this would never pass inspection.  Why then are these people allowed to live this way?  Doesn't make sense to me.

 

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July 17, 2008, 7:18 pm PDT

These kids need to go to DSS.

I agree with what was said about if the parents want to live that way, that's fine.  This is America, you can do what you want.  But those kids have no say in the situation.  If I worked for DSS in that county, I'd have a minivan over at that household pronto and say, "Sorry, charlie, you're not doing your job."  Really, this is how parents who are *drug addicts* run their households; kids are taken away from them in a MINUTE.  I said this is America, you can do what you want - I take that back.  Right now, you cannot build a house (or maybe even buy one) without electricity, running water, heating and cooling, etc.  A house like this would never pass inspection.  Why then are these people allowed to live this way?  Doesn't make sense to me.

 

Tracy

 

 

 

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July 17, 2008, 7:18 pm PDT

Family needs financial literacy!

I'm a fan of Dr. Phil but this was not one of his better shows because he really failed to connect with the father and provide sound guidance. The family is clearly financially illiterate (as are many folks). They need to get financial smarts quickly. I love Personal Finance for Dummies as a good starting point.
 
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July 17, 2008, 7:26 pm PDT

07/17 Living on a Prayer

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a major kick in the pants is when you sit on your behind for yearsand just work a little here and a little there  and don't support your family, when you get older and you retire you won't get nothing.  i live on 30 dollars a month, because i missed drawing more because i was short four quarters.  i did work some and babysitted for years didn't pay it in and that hurt.  but i was a housewife cooked cleaned and raised 3 boys and had a stroke/coma  and i am in a nursing home on medicaid.  if i would of worked those four extra quarters i would have medicare and therapy but i don't.  those 2 peas in a pod are just pathetic and dr phil; gets 19 lashes with a wet noodle for not doing an update because it has been 5 months since they ran the first show.  sincerely, teresa  Phil. 4:13

Hey, I read your story about the sorry husband who wouldn't pay child support.  Don't you live in a state where if the father does not support his kids he goes to jail?  If so, why not pursue that?  I know your kids are grown, but maybe you could get back child support anyway and use the money to aid your failing health.  Just an idea, and I don't even know if it will work, but it may be worth talking to somebody about.  I'm very sorry for what you had to go through, but it sounds like you served as a great example to your kids.  He'll get his in the afterlife, don't you worry.

 

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July 17, 2008, 7:38 pm PDT

Living on a prayer that aired Thursday 7/17/2008

I don't get it.  The whole hour and Dr. Phil, his invited guest the man from dream????? in Calif, nor the family of this couple ever touched on whether this man, the father of seven, feels he is too proud to have earned income from manual labor.  This would have served multiple purposes.  One being it would have addressed to this man that his proud behavior is not becoming a Christian.  He may have an education but that doesn't mean manual labor should be beneath his dignity.  You do what you have to in support of your family within the confines of the law.  I saw pride as his major hang-up. 

 

On the college educated mother's side I saw convenience.  She could have stopped bearing children before they had so many and she could have worked.  Now for her to say she has a 2 week old child and is unable to take on a job is convenient for her. 

 

I don't off-hand know of a reference in the Bible  but for them to take material practical gifts really intended to be for the kids and that were not monetary and sell them for pennies on a dollar is very dispictable.  So what happened to the money they got from the sale of the bunk beds anyway?  How did they put the money  to better use than providing them beds to sleep in?

 

Dr. Phil just makes sense.  You cannot keep throwing money at these people.  We all must be good stewards of what God blesses us with.  Let them be good stewards then and they will see the fruits of their labor pay off.  Although Dr. Phil was insensed by this man's using God the way he does, he gave him the benefit of the doubt that he does this wrong unknowingly.  However, does he know now?  I doubt it.  He really needs a thinking adjustment.  He needs to fellowship and those people to listen and provide support and encouragement from scripture the way Dr. Phil suggested and always pray first and pray after that no man or woman misunderstand the word of God shared before these bretheren.

 

Based on their education levels, they have a combined better than average intelligence but they don't show it. 

 
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July 17, 2008, 7:42 pm PDT

where is your help drphil?

What I find interesting is that DrPhil had a show about a rich spoiled teenage girl who goes and gets knocked up and is rewarded by DrPhil with an SUV?!

I didn't hear DrPhil mentioning that he was going to help this family in any way.

Surely they are more deserving of help than some knocked up spoiled rich kid, rich spoiled drug addict etc.

DrPhil needs to have more compassion for poor people people and stop spoiling the already spoiled!!!!

 

 
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July 17, 2008, 7:49 pm PDT

07/17 Living on a Prayer

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What I find interesting is that DrPhil had a show about a rich spoiled teenage girl who goes and gets knocked up and is rewarded by DrPhil with an SUV?!

I didn't hear DrPhil mentioning that he was going to help this family in any way.

Surely they are more deserving of help than some knocked up spoiled rich kid, rich spoiled drug addict etc.

DrPhil needs to have more compassion for poor people people and stop spoiling the already spoiled!!!!

 

How are these people deserving of help in anyway? Those KIDS deserve more, but the parents? They deserve exactly what they have. Less actually. They are living in a house that they refuse to pay for.
 
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July 17, 2008, 7:49 pm PDT

deficiency syndrome maybe ?

The  thing  that  may  have  caused  this  man  to  spiral  downward  into  this  defiency  poverty  syndrome  thinking  is  the  fact  he  had   multiple  failed  bussiness  problems  (failure)  so  maybe  he  lost  his  faith 
and  then  decided  to  make  a  (faith)   out  of  the  idealism  of   "IF"   he  did  that  God  was  for  him  ,and  not  against  him   type  thing  .

sociology  does  not  even  really  understand  some  causes  of  poverty  thinking  

clearly  the  man  has  some  deficiency  with  his  mental  thinking  and  the  strategy  he  is  useing  is   really  due  to  his  failures   and  his thoughts  about  his  failures  

theres  something  clearly   in  this  mans  eyes  I  have  not  seen   much 
I  really  believe  that  maybe  the  man  did  in  fact  crash  so  hard   that  he  resorted  to  the  beliefism   and  idealogy  that   God  wanted  him  to  remain  a  failure  his  whole  life 

In  actual  reality  we  all  know  thats  not  of  God 

now  it  can  be  said  that  many  people  get  totally  sold  out  into  the  prosperity  faith  movements   going  on   ,  it  gives  people  a   sense  of  power  to  think   prosperously  whether  they  ever  achieve  it  or  not  is  a  gamble   I  supose 

this  man  went  totally  opposite  that  because  of  his  repeated  bussiness  failures 
he  took  it  so  to  heart  and  hard  when  he  resorted  he  really  resorted  !!!to  the  extreme 

which  tells  me  the  man  has  strength  !!  no  doubt 

he  just  needs  help   someone  who  can  re-direct  his   mind  set  and  make  him  able  to  use  his  strength   to  be  sucussful  instead  of  a  failure   .

the  cause  of  povertism   thinking  in  my  humble  opinion  is  directly  related  to  people  who  have  come  to  believe  they  do  not  deserve  or  will  never  have  anything  better  than  what   they  some  how  through  failure  come  to  think   and  believe  that  that  is  Gods  will

that  is  NOT  GODS  WLL  AT  ALL.   

maybe  the  will  of  a  man  that  lost his  faith  
certifiably  not  Gods   .

hope  this  man  gets  a  hand  UP  in  the  right  direction  of  belief   so  his  children  dont  suffer  his   lost  faith  syndrome   lifestyle  choice 

Im  certian  he  has  monopolyzed  his  whole  family  into  thinking   wrong 
he  has  them  fenced  mentally  into  believing  if  they  go  against  him 
they  go  against  his  God 

well  his  god  clearly   is   not  the  God  of  faith  ,  this  man  needs  to  confess  looseing  his  and  find  another  strategy   of  HOPE 

I  do  really  HOPE  he  gets  helped  .     As  sad  a  case  as  this  is   it  is  not  beyond  understanding  how  it  happened 

the  cure  ?   man  have  a  little  hopeful  faith  ,  failure  and  poverty  was  never  Gods  will   it  was  just  you  lost  so  much  you  may  be  thinking  it  was  ,  your  thinking  is  wrong   ,its  wrong  to  really  need   and  not  have  enough  faith  you  can  recieve  it  because  you  failed    at  something  .
the  defeatism   is  really  not  manly   ,  get  up  and    do  something  different  and  stop  forceing  your  family  through  this  pathetic  sufferage   man .  
 
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