Topic : 07/17 Living on a Prayer

In most states you have to have your teaching credential to substitute teach, but I totally agree with you, I would dig ditches before my kids would live in those deplorable conditions. If that was my husband and he wasn't willing to work, I would tell him to take care of the children and the house and I'll work. A couple days of watching all those kids and scrubbing the kitchen floor may be an incentive for him to get out and support his family.

I think how many children a person has is certainly there choice. My husband and I purposely stopped at two, although we both love kids, but we looked down the road and knew two was about all we could afford.  I know money isn't everything but raising kids is not cheap and the cost just rises with their age.  It is just something people should think about when they are doing their family planning.

Dan is a very well-rehearsed scammer.   He postures behind religion that manages to befuddle and fool people.  And this pariah on society, with his selective religious reasoning will never change.  You can sit and try to dissect it from a religious, psychological or any other perspective--but this man will not change until the pay off for him being this way changes.  His current pay off is the saccharine sentimentality and/or adulation of "Christians" who aid and abet his self-invoked victimhood status.  He's a proven moocher on his enabling in-laws.  And his "attempts at business"  that he claims failed, are obviously only get-rich-quick-schemes of the most questionable ilk.  Now, if had started a lawn service, humbly with a mower and willingness to work for instance,  and stuck with it...  But, he doesn't want to work.  

If nobody steps in to give him money, his next step will be to send his wife out to earn a living.  I guarantee that. Eventually even losers get hungry enough.   

He is a hopeless user and loser.  a real man isn't happy wallowing in "victimhood."   His kids will grow up to hate him.  I guarantee that as well.  And they will hate their mother as well unless she gets a clue and starts doing right by them and jettisoning this SOB of humanity that she keeps spawning children with as her only significant contribution to the world.  Big deal.  Most women with the right biology can birth children.  The greater significance is in providing them with a real life.  And this family is being denied their childhood.  There is no greater abuse that a parent can heap on a child than denying him or her a childhood.  If she gets a clue soon enough, she can give them back the childhood this derelict of a husband has stolen from them. 

You go girl!!

Why is it  so easy for people to 'diagnose' someone instead of calling it like it is?

Yes, I know their are medical/psychiatric conditions that exist and proper diagnosis is necessary. I also know that laziness, selfishness, stupidity, lack of responsibility, lack of self control etc etc also exist and a proper 'wake-up call' is necessary!

It is time for people to be made responsible for their actions... not find excuses for them!

I am so happy that someone else can see things the same way as I do! There have been others of course, and I appreciate them too. I am so sick of the people who are trying to find every excuse in the book to justify what this man is dong and for his irresponsibility. I get especially irate when others have said that he has done more than most people will ever do in their lives! That one really gets me. It is such a slap in the face when I think about the hours my own husband has had to put in over the years. He certainly hasn't enjoyed the fast pace and long hours that goes along with the business that he is in. But, it is his job, he's a little old to go back to college now and just has to take it and ride it out until he can retire. For over 43 years he has worked the equivalent of 2 full time jobs and one part time job. That is the hours for his ONE job! He tries to take off early occasionally but the minute he leaves everything starts to fall apart and his phone starts ringing non stop. It's just not worth it. He's in produce and when the produce is ready in the field, it's ready. You can't just leave it there for the next day, it won't be worth anything the next day. It's a weird business! And very hard to explain. There is so much more to it than the field hands picking it in the field and it showing up on the grocery store shelves. Yep, I do get irate! My husband is very smart and inventive and could sit at home and doodle with things and call it his "business" but it sure won't get the mortgage paid. And something else I just thought about? They have 7 children? And one is just an infant? They can't possibly have health insurance! So for all of his admirer's here on the board, who do they think is paying for all of her pre-natal care and hospital bills when she gives birth? They don't have the cash to do it. So I guess it falls to the state. Oh yes, I'm so proud of them! We pay $800.00 per month, out of our own pocket for our health insurance. And how do we pay for that? Because my husband works and I get a disability check that I worked and paid into. I don't even use my Medicare, although they take out over $100.00 a month for it. I'm forced into laziness due to my disability and I would LOVE to be able to go back to work. For me, it would be a privilege. And how about all of the single mothers out there with deadbeat dads who refuse to help provide for their children? They hold down jobs and take responsibility for their lives. They should receive the applause that this man is receiving. And even the field workers, that is a back breaking job with very little pay. Seriously, you will never find us "white" people doing that kind of work. If it weren't for them, we would have no more produce! I have more respect for them! Yes, I could go on, I have already been on quite a tangent here haven't I?

Peace and Power to the non lazy hard working people in the world!

Silly arguments about what "Christian" scripture means or doesn't mean is a subterfuge, just as his Dan's blather about what "God told him."

In fact, the fact that professing Christians themselves argue among themselves over the nonsense in this collection of words.   The only benefits this book brings to humanity is the fact that it provides a living for seminary graduates and others who cannot function in the working world.   And it provides fodder for professing Christians to use in lieu of having their own opinions based on the actual facts of a matter.  It's a collection of writings of ancients whose mental state of mind we cannot even verify, and "approved" as "canon" by a bunch of power-hungry men who wanted to further their influence over people by incorporating this belief system into a state religion, at the Council of Nicea.   That's all it's been used for since--a body of writings used to control people and make some rich in the process. 

Some of the teachings contained therein have validity.  But even those basic tenets, such as "Doing unto others" can also be found in other equally as prolific and enduring religious writings from Eastern thought and elsewhere.  These basic teachings, most of which you won't find in "Christianity" today if you visit or try to get involved in a church, are not unique to Christianity.  They endure because they are true to the human condition and what's best for us.

So, bringing this into this discussion of this derelict is a waste of time.   Believing or not believing in "the bible" and trying to sort out its myriad of conflicting or vague words and teachings is for those who have nothing better to do.   And as we can see, Dan here has nothing better to do with his time or energy.

The discussion is about a grown man who will not go out and subject himself to working for someone else in order to provide for his children.  And the discussion is about a mindless woman who thinks this is okay for the children she has brought into this world.   There are plenty more like them of every persuasion and creed.  They have no defense.   They only have obligations to become productive members of society and take care of their family's needs.   They are not special, as they believe they are.  They are not entitled, as they believe they are.  They are not victims, as they want to project.   

I thank Dr. Phil for highlighting this type of situation for the incredible insanity that it is.  I hope that some woman watching gets the courage to leave this type of situation and take care of her kids.  Because,  this kind of man will not change.  I know whereof I speak. 

He could substitute teach?   OMG.  I wouldn't want someone with his issues or lack of values anywhere near my child, or anyone's child.  Come to think of it, I don't even like thinking about him and his influence on his own children.   Perish that thought!