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Topic : 08/18 "Sober Up or Else!"

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(Original Air Date: 02/18/08) Living with an alcoholic parent is one of the most difficult and heart-wrenching experiences a child can go through. Heather, 28, and Alexandra, 21, say their mother, Joey, is a pathetic drunk, and if she doesn’t get clean once and for all, they will walk away from her forever. Joey says she had her first drink at 7 and was drinking heavily every weekend by 15. She’s now 54 and about to lose everything she holds dear. Former guest and drug addict Joani began documenting Joey’s addiction a month ago. Faced with home video footage and testimonials from her family members, will Joey have the courage to take a step toward sobriety, or will she cave in to her addiction like she did after her previous stints in rehab? Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

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February 19, 2008, 1:33 pm PST

02/18 "Sober Up or Else!"

Quote From: carmela13

On August 19, 2007 I was arrested and may I add I was mortified and still today Im scandalized, my daily walks are impoverished by the atrocity of that day- those are the only words I have to describe it.

 The action bestowed on me was harsh .The almost twenty hours of incarceration and still to my bewilderment the action that was taken by the very young officers was of bad judgment.

 I do understand they have a job to do but I assure you the step they took was inappropriate for my situation, little did they know they stole my right as a human being and did not realize the consequence and the impact that was born on their decision.

For some that moment might be shrugged off but for a person like me it has been magnified and it will live with in me till I die

 

 Im a respectful and compassionate person a person of well standing a person who knows what is right and what is wrong my only crime that day was to call 911.

I dont understand this law I called for help and I was whisked away in a police car in hand cuffs -It has been hard for me to digest and the thought bears tears with every step I take I needed help I welcomed the officers in my home thinking they came to my rescue but to my surprise I was taken to a detention center mugged shot humiliated and feeling worthless to the world.

 Im 5ft1 my husband is 6ft1 we had an argument it escalated to a physical altercation he pulled my hair and I tried to push him away from me I (believe its called self defense) my husband had been drinking my husband never makes sense when he drinks, he is an alcoholic- he is a bad drunk- but he is a good man.

 Lately it has been hard for my husband his barley fifteen year old daughter (who is living with his ex) is allowing her to date a 19 year old and there is nothing he can do about it

I watch him hurt, as he feels helpless not being able to stop the situation his only consolation is more drinking so he may burry his pain 

On that day my husband accused me of biting him after I told the police officers he pulled my hair- they just said its a little bit messy I had blood on my ear lobe I wear earrings and he had blood on his finger - I can say I did have clips in my hair I did not bite my husband he did confess in the police car but they said it was to late so they still took me in.

 I do not lie I came to this country my back round was checked- clean as a whistle

 I have never done wrong I went from employee of the month for September to A detention center in Rancho Cucamonga (all in the three days)- I never felt so humiliated in my life mugged shot and being sworn on. While I was in the detention center I asked for a blanket, not just for myself  but also for the other two girls we were cold.

 I pressed a button on the intercom I didnt know it was only for emergency the warden came charging in like a bat out of hell and started swearing at me- such foul language when she asked why I pressed the button I answered cause we were cold we needed a blanket she answered what do you think this is a hotel- any literature that was giving I could not read so what I signed I could not see I didnt have my reading glasses no one took the time to explain I did no crime I shouldve had no time I do not ask for much but I do ask for justice, as God is my witness and in God I trust and with a little prayer we need to change that law- if a woman is in this position and she calls the police and gets thrown in jail where is the justice  

I cant undo the past but I would like to move on and burry that day I want to be able to live a normal life

 I dont know why that day happenedmaybe it was a wake up call and to realize that life is precious and based on honor dignity and pride and how important it is to be part of a respectful society.

 

 I will assure you this will never happen again, cause as God is my witness I will never call 911 because I would rather die than go through the same humiliation.

Pathetically Sad that I feel this way -I can tell you I have nightmares I feel very vulnerable and I have lost my confidence this has been very dramatic for me I have been traumatized its sad cause I feel more afraid to call the police than to get abused

No woman should feel this way ...All I wanted was help it was a case of he said she said and now I might lose my job ...I'm a Caregiver  now it shows that I have been arrested -tell me where is the justice all the good I done  thrown away and burried .

When I think about it I feel wotherless ! 

 

Give Al Anon a try.  I bet you could benefit.
 
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February 19, 2008, 2:00 pm PST

Counseling Session Today

 Anger.  Letting go.  sigh.  I feel like such a failure.  Intellectually, I am making an educated guess, my father and my mother will never say to me, "I'm sorry for ....."  Intellectually, I understand that both of my parents were just as much victims as myself.  They never received an apology from their parents.  Intellectually, I understand that.  Let go and let God.  I'm struggling today.  I want the pain to go away.  I'm responsible for my healing and it has to be without them.  I understand...yet...ah, yes...yet, I just want to cry and hit them and yell at them and ask them, "Why?"  All the while, knowing that they won't give me a satisfying response.  They are unable to do that as they are unhealthy, so much caught up in their own pain.  It's days such as this that I want to stay away from people...isolate.  I read Psalm 59 this morning.  As I read it, I prayed the scripture to the Lord outloud.  I want these character defects... these enemies... to go away.  I know.  It takes time...be patient.  I'm just feeling sad today.  Thanks for allowing me to share.
 
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February 19, 2008, 2:27 pm PST

Losing hope for my mother...

My mother...lets see...has been struggling with alcoholism for the past five years.  After 23 years of marriage to my father, he divorced her because of the drinking.  She lived from one house to another, abadoning my younger sibling who needed her the most.  She was arrested for four DUI's in four months!!  She spent 4 months in jail, 5 episodes in rehab (some court ordered), having multiple seizures from alcohol, almost dying from a head injury....need I say more.  My mother was a loving, caring person throughout my childhood - what happened??  I am the only one that has tried to help her - I have cleaned her, fed her, bailed her out, supported her, attended therapy sessions with her - why is this not working???  My brother is only 11 and needs her, but feels abandoned.  She entered rehab last month for the fifth time, completing 30 days, but only drinking on her day of release - she was admitted with a BAC of .474.  I keep trying to understand why I can't help her - it is destroying my life.  My mother is on a binge as we speak - her boyfriend that she resided with, kicked her out again and he is a user too.  She keeps going back to the same environment - I don't know where she is right now.  I wish someone could please help me to try to figure out what to do???  I can't turn my back???  After watching the last episode on Monday on Dr. Phil, i realized that I could relate to that woman's daughters - I know how they feel...I'm tired and I'm running out of options, what to do...
 
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February 19, 2008, 2:53 pm PST

Reaching out to Heather

Dearest Heather, I dreamed of you last night  or more to the point I saw you laugh. I went through every emotion with you and felt the ones you were holding back. I grew up with  that Mother, and to say the least as the eldest , redheaded child of a alcoholic female, I know there is nothing you wouldn't do to save her and have her whole and need you and acknowledge you and Honey i am here to tell you this. TURN AROUND and see all those people that have been supporting you and loving you and accepting you . THEY are the ones that matter right now.  It's like your the link to those that are on the cliff , holding you by the ankles, keeping you grounded because that Mother is off the side, falling fast and the only thing keeping them linked the her is you, and they are there ONLY for you.     LET that Mother go, save yourself.  Find your life, You have done a Great job in corralling  Mother  Let Her go for you need a life to call your own. Do you know how to show people how  okay you are??  Live it. Live a happy life, laugh.    Sweetie, 7 years ago My Mother called, drunk as usual and told me I was   " laughed to much and had way too many friends" She is right  and  I know I have done right by my life in the FAct that she finds  these bad things. Life sucks for her when outside the bottle.

  Blessed Be  Dear Heather and let No harm Come to thee..........A kindered spirit....Christine 

 
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February 19, 2008, 3:12 pm PST

Ask doctor Phil

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My mother...lets see...has been struggling with alcoholism for the past five years.  After 23 years of marriage to my father, he divorced her because of the drinking.  She lived from one house to another, abadoning my younger sibling who needed her the most.  She was arrested for four DUI's in four months!!  She spent 4 months in jail, 5 episodes in rehab (some court ordered), having multiple seizures from alcohol, almost dying from a head injury....need I say more.  My mother was a loving, caring person throughout my childhood - what happened??  I am the only one that has tried to help her - I have cleaned her, fed her, bailed her out, supported her, attended therapy sessions with her - why is this not working???  My brother is only 11 and needs her, but feels abandoned.  She entered rehab last month for the fifth time, completing 30 days, but only drinking on her day of release - she was admitted with a BAC of .474.  I keep trying to understand why I can't help her - it is destroying my life.  My mother is on a binge as we speak - her boyfriend that she resided with, kicked her out again and he is a user too.  She keeps going back to the same environment - I don't know where she is right now.  I wish someone could please help me to try to figure out what to do???  I can't turn my back???  After watching the last episode on Monday on Dr. Phil, i realized that I could relate to that woman's daughters - I know how they feel...I'm tired and I'm running out of options, what to do...
All I can say is you are a good daughter ! I wish I had the answer for you ...the truth of the matter is she needs to help herself before others can  ...my husband asks for help but on the other hand he has a can of beer I'm not in control of his elbow 'while he is asking for help he's still drinking ... they need to go cold turkey I would lock up my husband in a room and sober him up... but with my luck I would  go to jail . why dont you ask Dr. Phil to help you ?
 
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February 19, 2008, 5:06 pm PST

I've had 45 years of education on this sister...

Quote From: beblessed55

TO QUOTE DR PHIL, "ARE YOU KIDDING ME?"   YOU GOT IT TWISTED, DEAR.  I WILL NOT ARGUE THIS  ISSUE WITH YOU .  IT HAS BEEN PROVEN THAT ALCOHOLISM IS A DISEASE, NO MATTER WHAT YOU MAY THINK.   DOES THE ALCOHOLIC MAKE THAT CHOICE TO DRINK, YEP THEY DO...BUT GET EDUCATED ABOUT THE  DISEASE, MY SISTER.  GOD BLESS YOU.

and thank God I'm done with it.  I don't have to argue this issue with anyone anymore.  By the way, I know a 10 year old boy with cancer, he doesn't have the choice an alcoholic has, neither does his family.  To call alcoholism a disease insults me.  I lived with it, I learned about it, I read about it, I spoke about it, so don't tell me to educate myself about it.  To call alcoholism a disease is just making another excuse for it.  My father was blessed enough to live to 82 years old without ever having to suffer a real disease.  Go visit a children's cancer hospital; those poor kids don't have the luxury of choice in their lives.  Let's pray to God for the children and the people in this world who are stricken with cancer, that they find the life luxury of "choice" and resources to help them get better.  Talk to a parent of a child with cancer or a child with a parent who has cancer, so don't tell me I have it twisted "dear."  It's called having my priorities straight.

 
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February 19, 2008, 5:40 pm PST

I have been there...

on both side of this show. My adoptive mother was an alcoholic and as always the disease progressed over the years to the point where she did absolutely nothing but sit at home and drink until the time she drank herself to death. It was sad but it was the best thing that ever happened to her and me and my siblings. I always told myself that I would never be like her, I would never do what she had done to my kids. Well never say never. I too also became an alcoholic, and I still am, even though I am sober for 16+ years. I did hurt my kids emotionally, I went though two marriages, but today I have the love of my kids. I saw the light and realized that I had to do something or take the chance of losing the most important things in my life, my kids. I am so grateful that I had the support of many to help me get through the rough times early on in my sobriety, but thank goodness my kids were there to help. I just want to say to the two daughters on the show that if you have to walk way then walk. There is nothing you can do unless your mother is ready to help herself. Do not beat yourself up over and over again as it will not help her get sober, walk away, she has to hit bottom before she will be ready to climb back up, she has to show you her willingness to be a part of your lives, she has to earn your respect. It may sound harsh to tell you to walk away but I do not want to see you get hurt anymore. You both need to have your happy lives and not live in the same the same hell as your mother is. I have the respect of many today, but most important is my kids and I would not change that again again for anything.

 

Best of luck!!!

 
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February 19, 2008, 6:05 pm PST

Crying for Heather and her sisters

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I just watched the show about alcoholic mothers. I wanted to grab Heather and just hold her and tell her it would all be ok. That would be a lie of course because it won't be, not yet. It was so surreal watching that show today because I was Heather. My mother had lost my father to cancer and she fell into a bottle and never came out. I have two younger sisters that were 12 at the time and still needed someone to take care of them. I did the best I could. I raised them and paid my mother's bills. I wish to God that we would have done an intervention. But we were all so scared of her. I really don't understand why. She had stopped eating and was doing more drinking and was only 90 pounds soaking wet. But we were always just so scared of her. If we would have done the intervention and had gotten her to quit drinking then maybe we would have recognized the fact that she had a brain tumor. No sober person  would've acted that way. We just explained all the weird behavior away on her being drunk. My family is completely destroyed. Since the death of both my parents all of us six children have all gone our separate ways. Only a select few of us still talk and that is so sad. I fell down crying watching this show today, not just for Heather, but for what my family has endured, and still is. I mourn the death of what my family could have been. It is for this  reason that I have chosen to stay away from alcohol. I will never do this to my son.
My heart also really went out to Heather. I felt ashamed of wishing my alcoholic mom would just die, but after watching the show I understand that I was not the only person who has ever felt that way. I also wanted to cry watching the show because it was so sad to see Heather having to step up and be the parent-figure, to be the strong one when she is obviously hurting inside. Watching the clips of Joey and Heather was like reliving memories for me. I hope for the best for this family, and I think this time rehab may work since Dr. Phil is behind it. However, if Joey cannot do her part to maintain a sober lifestyle, Heather and her sisters need to move on. They are strong, intelligent women who shouldn't have to be so negatively affected by their mother's immature choices and behaviors. They deserve so much more.
 
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February 19, 2008, 6:07 pm PST

Powerful force it is.

Quote From: toniecw

Our Heavenly Father doesn't want us to view life as a struggle and with all the struggles that you have personally witnessed in your life and your own...I can well understand how you would feel like "either way life continues to be a struggle."

 

One of my brother's two years younger than myself (your story is quite similar to my own) came out of prison for having partied with his youngest daughter and her two girlfriends...all three girls addicted to alcohol and pot...17-18 years of age, him 48 years old...and in the drunken/drugged mess, he touched the private part of the 18 year old that said no...and he got 7 years in prison for it.

 

I remembered how I felt when I heard that his youngest daughter now in her mid twenties...took her dad who had dried out in prison and realized that alcohol and pot had not only ruined his life/career, yet also his entire family's...took her dad to a bar to celebrate his freedom!

 

I wrote her sister and told her to ask her sister why was it that she was wanting to release the evil that alcohol created in her father who was a trying to remain sober and get his past damaged life straightened out?

 

My niece told me that she had asked her sister why would she take dad into the bar and her response was, "dad is a grown man and he can do what he wants to do."

 

Wow!  Breaking the chains that bind us, generation after generation is not an easy thing to do...yet I know it can be done because both my parents and my sons dad, broke the habit when they discovered God and His love, forgiveness and mercy and all three never had a need for another drink!  Praise God!...I hope that my brother will also stay cemented with Our Heavenly Father for if he doesn't...no one in our family will ever trust him around us or our children...not because he is a child molester...only because when he drinks he turns into an ugly old man that no one wants to be around...

 

Those are my thoughts...

May All Be Blessed

Love, Light and Peace

Tonie

 

 

 

 

Thanks for your comment. I feel your pain with the prison thing. My younger brother finally gets out next month and it will start all over again.

 

You know I once believed life shouldn't be a struggle and then I came to conclusion that maybe it is supposed to be for some. Who am I to think I was entitled to a great life when there are so many out there suffering from nonaddictive circumstances. My life isn't a bad one...just a pain in the rear sometimes.

 

Oh and I stopped believing in God during my gambling addiction so that added to the things I have had to work to get back. Im getting there!

 
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February 19, 2008, 6:32 pm PST

Still there, doing that

I'm so glad to see all the messages here that speak of those who have either successfully quit and others who have broken the cycle of chemically dependent family members. On the other hand, the overwhelming response to this topic makes it clear that addictions are alive and well around the world.

 

I, too, broke the cycle of chemical addictions in my family, and I'm happy to say that both of my siblings have also managed to keep themselves chemical-free. Unfortunately, our mother remains chemically dependent & I fully believe she will do so until she leaves this world. She has only briefly moved beyond the denial phase in the past and is a master at pretending that she has never believed she has a problem. My family members have watched her destroy her own life and felt the corresponding misery in our own lives for more than 50 years now. She's nearing her 74th birthday and none of us can figure out how she has managed to stay alive this long. One of the saddest things is seeing the life drain from my otherwise very healthy 78-year-old father as he sees his final years of life slip away while he takes care of a woman who has no apparent will to live but who keeps hanging on by a thread.

 

My heart bleeds for those of you who have gone through life with an alcoholic and/or addicted parent. It's heartbreaking, and chemical dependency in a family changes us all. I'm just glad to see that it fortifies so many of us with a solid will to break the pattern.

 
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