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(Original Air Date: 02/18/08) Living with an alcoholic parent is one of the most difficult and heart-wrenching experiences a child can go through. Heather, 28, and Alexandra, 21, say their mother, Joey, is a pathetic drunk, and if she doesn’t get clean once and for all, they will walk away from her forever. Joey says she had her first drink at 7 and was drinking heavily every weekend by 15. She’s now 54 and about to lose everything she holds dear. Former guest and drug addict Joani began documenting Joey’s addiction a month ago. Faced with home video footage and testimonials from her family members, will Joey have the courage to take a step toward sobriety, or will she cave in to her addiction like she did after her previous stints in rehab? Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

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August 18, 2008, 8:48 pm PDT

08/18 "Sober Up or Else!"

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My sister has been an alcholic for years.  This past year she has lost her job and been hospitallized at least 5 times due to her drinking.  She is admitted to intensive care and fixed up then released.  She cannot keep any food down. She has lost 35 lbs and weighs only 102 lbs.  She suffers from major depression and will not help herself.  She is living with an alcholic boyfriend. My sister is 48, educated and held a job making over $100,00 a year for over 20 years.  She lives in Northern California near the bay area.  Our family has let her sink, and think this may be her bottom.  She has no job  or money, no insurance.  What's available?  She needs a rehab program for her alcholism and depression.  We have no resources to help her. She is too ill to help herself.  I am sure if we don't get her some professional help she will die.  Where can we get help?
Dear Child of alcoholic mother,
You and your mother need help this is true. Do not ask Dr. Phil to help on the air. He is not out for your best interest. He is out for ratings. You should try to talk to a teacher or a counselor at your school. Is there another adult in your life who is not using alchohol or drugs that you can talk to? Try adults in your life who you trust. Love and treatment is what you and your mother need. DOn't give up!! The fact that you recognize the problem is the first step.

 
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August 18, 2008, 9:45 pm PDT

My Big Sister

While watching the show today I thought of my big sister.  Alcoholism runs in my family, it's genetic.  My father and several siblings were or are alcoholics.  I understand it goes back to Aunts and Uncles on both my father and mother's side. 

 

I worry a lot about mu big sister, but I am on the West Coast and she is in the East.  Most of my siblings live there as well and have accepted her alcoholism and say there is nothing they can do, it's the way she wants to be and they can't talk to her about it.  She has the typical alcoholic mentality I saw on your show today. She has been an alcoholic most of her life, she is now 62. She lives with one of our older sisters who puts up with her alcoholism.  If it weren't for our older sister, she would be out on the street. 

 

My big sister has 2 children.  Her son turned out to be an alcoholic and drug abuser and has been to prison several times.  Her daughter has raised her 5 children and is also raising her brothers son.  She has tried to help her mother over the years, but has had her hands full caring for her own family and now caring for her nephew whom she got legal custody of.  She still sees her mother on occassion and said her own children do not know their grandparents very well.  My big sister doesn't even remember all her grandchildrens names. 

 

My big sister was abused by her x-husband (who is also an alcoholic) over and over, which I saw first hand when I was young, about 15 yrs old, and babysat for them. My neice and I hid in the bedroom while the father was beating the living daylights out of her one night.  I tried to call my Mom, but feared he'd catch me on the phone and beat me up too.  I tried to get to my nephew who's bedroom was right next to my sisters and bother-in-laws, but again I feared detection.  I recently found out that my older brother beat my big sisters x-husband up after he found out.  I guess my Mom told him what happened that night.  I even saw the son constantly being verbally abused by my brother-in-law.  I know he beat the kids too, because my neice told me he did. 

 

I am making the effort again to contact my big sister and see if she will go into rehab.  I sent my older sister, that she lives with, the webpage of the La Hacienda in Texas.  I'm going to start the ball rolling again in hopes of saving my big sister.  I called my big sister on her birthday to wish her well.  She called me back crying and told me I am the only one who ever calls her to wish her happy birthday other than my older sister she lives with. We cried together over this when she told me.  Ofcourse she was at a bar and I could tell she was drunk already.  I think we made a connection though and she might listen to me, finally.  I will try.

 

I have lost 2 brothers and a sister and do not want to lose any more too soon.  My oldest brother has had MS most of his life and is around 69.  I recently found out one of my other brothers whom I was closer to growing up recently had open heart surgery and a month later had cancer surgery where they removed his right lung.  He will be receiving chemo this month.  He has a 39% chance to live another 5 years.  If the chemo works it should raise it to about 80%. He just turned 60.  I could potentially lose 3 more siblings within the next 5 years.

 

When I saw this lady on your show today I saw my big sister.  I don't want to see her this way anymore.  She use to be so vibrant, pretty and happy.  Her x-husband and her became alcoholics together.  She has had many opportunities in the past to stop drinking with the help of the family, but refused.  I hope she accepts our help now before it's too late.

 

 

 
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August 19, 2008, 4:21 am PDT

Those children should be ashamed of themselves!

As I watched this episode, my heart did NOT go out to the woman's children, only to the woman herself. I actually wanted to smack both kids yet wrap my arms protectively around the woman. How dare a child text message a mother to say they hated her and wanted her to die? It's not to be borne. Perhaps "I love you and want you to live" would have hit home for Joey a bit better.

 

Ya know, I hope you two girls are reading this. Did you actually think it would be helpful to take your mother onto a national TV show and spew hateful remarks to her as she cried her eyes out in front of millions of viewers? That was for YOUR benefit, not hers. If my kids ever treated me like that, I'd be picking up a bottle too! And yes, I saw the videos of Mom at her worst. But I also saw the pics of you dressed up so cute and lovingly (by your mother) in your costumes. I also heard you tell your story about how mom went to PTA meetings and all your games - albeit drunk - but atleast she WENT. I've known many a SOBER mother who couldn't be bothered with those things, yet your mother did - she did it for you, because she loves you.

Now it's your turn to love her back - no matter what condition she's in. She took care of you; you take care of her. The door swings both ways.

So before you go sitting on your therapist's couch complaining that all your problems are due to her, pick up a bible and read the commandment, "Honor thy Father and thy Mother". There's no room for interpretation.

 

 

 

 
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August 19, 2008, 4:56 am PDT

I can walk in her shoes

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I applaud you in what you have overcome. I know that it couldn't have been easy but you did it. Congratulations! But I also wanted to let you know that you made  a teeny mistake with the date. You need to repost the correct date so you can get all of the credit that you deserve. Wishing you the very best, Jewels

Need to make a correction on the date of my Sobriety 12/14/2007, for those who did not catch it and those who did. I can say that I am very happy being Sober and not having to sneak and take drinks as a grown woman. The reason I started is because I liked the  taste and liked the feeling of being drunk and having fun as I would call it.
 
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August 19, 2008, 5:13 am PDT

For people who want help

I have a family of addicts.  And I think that its great that people like Dr Phil and Montel get some people help.  But what about all the others?  There are thousands, and while I know they can't help everyone.  For some there is no place to go.
I work for a hospital with a mental health/addiction unit.  It's actuality it's own fee standing facility.  It offer all the out patient treatment you want.  But as far as inpatient which is what most need they don't.   After your have detoxed your out on your own to follow up with out patient treatment.  Long gone are the days of a 28 day program.  and why......because most insurances do not cover it, and face it if you are an addict most likely you don't have insurance to begin with. 
The clinics that Dr Phil and other send people to are very expensive and if you don't or your family does not have money your pretty much s*** out of luck.

So if we want to help people with addiction....we need to start from the beginning and get it covered by insurance and make more long term inpatient  programs available.  And for peole who don't have insurance we need to do something....but that is a whole nother story.    We need to focus on the poor to middle class.  If we can get them clean maybe we can get them out of the welfare system or keep them from going into the welfare system....hell that would free up some of the Nations money problem

 
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August 19, 2008, 5:39 am PDT

Much love and Care faded faded faded...

                    Joey's daughters love and cared for her...

                    I am learning    DETACHMENT  at 64 years of age...

                   Learning for my own survival...

 

     Anyone have lessons for detachment...

 

                       Hope Joey's family  find healing...

 
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August 19, 2008, 5:51 am PDT

Adult children of alcohoics

My ex-husband is a drunk.  My kids are 24 and 19.  They won't talk about the situation much but I know they must be hurt watching their dad kill himself.  After four failed interventions he is now facing a year in jail.  Maybe that will be the trick if he does not skip town or kill himself first.  My heart goes out for all the children that have had to watch  a parent go down the tubes. 
 
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August 19, 2008, 5:51 am PDT

THIS IS ME!

I watched your show yesterday .. It was wierd because I had just hung up the phone after yelling at my mother exactly the way that Joey's daughter did.  I spoke the exact same words to my mother that she did.  It was almost scary.  My mother is a 4 year survivor of breast cancer and after her healing began she turned to anti-depressants and alcohol.  Everyday I sit back and watch her pop pills and drink booze.  Basically, any type of booze she can get her hands on wether it be beer , vodka or any type of whiskey.  She doesn't care.  And yesterday I had had enough.  I told her she was going to die and I was not going to sit back any longer and watch her do it to herself and more importantly her  husband, kids, and grand kids.  I also told her that once she did kill herself by using the pills and alcohol that I would not go to her funeral because I have been living her funeral for the past 4 years.  I hung up the phone.  Later on yesterday afternoon my 19 year old niece came to see me and said that she saw her grandmother (my mom) walking into a bar and she told her that I had just yelled at her so she was going to buy a beer.  We live in a very small town of about 1,000 people so the bar owners / tenders know our situation with my mom but they continue to serve her the booze.. But I suppose they are just doing their jobs... I just don't  know what else to do !  It doesn't seem like anyone else cares besides my dad and he doens't know what to do !

 
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August 19, 2008, 6:21 am PDT

Legacy

 Hi Dr, Phil and crew,

 

Watching this show I saw my mom acting up, showing fake remorse and having an amused grin as the daughter gives her feedback and literally feed the sick person with all the energy it requires to take care of a child. Because what I saw is also a daughter who is taking care of a -fake mother-demanding little girl.

My mom is not an alcoholic but has been raised by one. I still have stigma and I am fighting as hard as I can to not transmit that to my son...

Thanks for beeing you!

Nadine

 
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August 19, 2008, 6:52 am PDT

This is Dr. P's web site!

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Dear Child of alcoholic mother,
You and your mother need help this is true. Do not ask Dr. Phil to help on the air. He is not out for your best interest. He is out for ratings. You should try to talk to a teacher or a counselor at your school. Is there another adult in your life who is not using alchohol or drugs that you can talk to? Try adults in your life who you trust. Love and treatment is what you and your mother need. DOn't give up!! The fact that you recognize the problem is the first step.

I find it appalling that you are actually on Dr. Phil's own web site nd using it against him and telling others that "he is not out for your best interest". First of all, this was a grown woman who still had the capacity to hold down a full time job, so it's not like she was hood winked to go on the show. She went there knowing full well what would transpire. And on top of that he has given this woman a tremendous gift by sending her to one of the best treatment facilities there is, and for however long it will take. Your insurance company would never do that for you. Rather than being so hypocritical by using his own web site against him why don't you just log off instead and use your own telephone to spread your opinions of this good man.
 
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