Topic : 02/19 The Dr. Phil House: Rules of Engagement, Part 2

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Dr. Phil continues his work with four engaged couples who wonder if they’re ready to take the plunge. With issues such as abuse, infidelity, chauvinism and unplanned pregnancy, the couples move into The Dr. Phil House to see if their relationship has a chance to survive. After completing the last leg of the teamwork challenge, tensions in the House run high as one team gives up and accuses the other of cheating. Scott is confronted about his questionable game tactics. Will he admit to cheating and apologize? Then, since the women complain that their fiancés don’t pay them enough attention, Dr. Phil invites some good-looking gentlemen to the house to pamper the women. While each woman has a one-on-one talk with an attractive stranger, the men secretly watch. Which women reveal the good, the bad and the ugly about their relationships, and which one says her man is perfect? During an intense meeting, Dr. Phil doesn’t mince words when he tells them which couples don’t stand a chance of a successful marriage. What is behind Kalin’s anger? Will Stephanie stop trying to control Steve? And, Dr. Phil makes an offer to Scott and Lisa that brings them to tears. Plus, a huge prize is at stake when a money expert quizzes the couples on how well they know their partner’s financial situation. Talk about the show here.

Find out what happened on the show.


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February 19, 2008, 7:48 am PST

Offering Steve some support

Steve, I just needed to offer you a little support in one small area.  If I ask for mozzarella cheese fries from my husband, I expect to get six or so breaded pieces of mozzarella with a little cup of marinara.  I'm a gonna say you were entirely right on that point and Stephanie was totally wrong.  That was one of the silliest things I've seen anybody fight about.  But we all know it's not about fries, is it?
 
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February 19, 2008, 7:54 am PST

read it again...

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Lily, you and Tim are in for a train wreck.   You're 19- you shouldn't be raising a kid and getting married. You should be on a beach in Rio or traveling the world or in college.  Babies are complicated enough when you HAVE all the resources, at your age, it's going to drain everything you have and require many things you don't.  If I were you, I would put the baby up for adoption, go to college, and THEN see if you still have feelings for each other.   By the time you have your first job, your money issues won't be as big because you have higher earning power.   

Are you kidding me. So they are young Lily is lucky Tim didn't run like most men.   Yes it's going to be rough but every single marriage has it's bumps in the road.  YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO TELL THEM TO GIVE THERE BABY UP.  I have been were they are and you can do great. Money is always going to be an issue in a world that only cares about money.

At 19 you can have tons a resources to raise a child.  They can give that child everything it needs and tings it don't need and it can and will most likely become a great person.  I had a child at 19 I even tried making things work with the father even I was date raped. (at that time I didn't understand you could be raped by your boyfriend but that's another topic)  I worked and he worked.  when I had the baby I stayed home.  My son had everything he needed and love.  he didn't need designer clothes but he had more than he needed.  he did have name brand diapers but he had what he needed.  he went to the dr for every well baby check up and every time he was sick.  and his father nor i had a college degree.  I hate to tell everyone but a degree doesn't mean more money.

heck my father doesn't have one and makes great money working for bowing.  I child cares about love and being warm and feed and clean and healthy and dry...the basics and love.  I see many people who can afford a child and give them all the toys and stuff in the world but can't be bothered to give them the love they need. 

I still can't believe that you are so down on them because of there age...here they contact dr phil to get help before getting married and you are telling them to give up before even trying.

Tim and Lily don't know if you are reading this but you can make it if you want to make it.  I may not have married the father of my first son. but I got married at 22 and everyone told me that was to young and we are doing great.  yes we have debt but show me someone who doesn't owe someone else something.

You love each other and that baby and well I think you will do fine as long as you keep up the hard work it takes to make a marriage work.

 

 I said that's what I would do in MY situation.  I just don't think they seem to be ready, especially if they're on the Dr. Phil House.  And they want to bring a child into a situation where they constantly fight over money. 

 

The fact is at 19, you can't give a baby what you can 5 or 10 years later.  Just a fact.  Having more assets for your child may mean the difference between taking the baby to a free clinic or a specialist. 

 

I have EVERY right to tell them what I think and what I'd do in their situation. Just because YOU did it that way, doesn't make it the IDEAL situation in which to raise a child.  I think they should keep their options open, just because she got pregnant doesn't mean they have to get married and raise kids.  They CAN adopt out, they CAN go to college, they CAN better their situation if they want to.  They're not trapped because of a dumb choice.

 

They seem VERY naive and I don't think they fully realize yet the commitment and responsibility theyre about to take on.  Thinking before you leap is a good thing.

 
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February 19, 2008, 8:31 am PST

02/19 The Dr. Phil House: Rules of Engagement, Part 2

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my husband of 21 years.  verbally abuses me.  he calls me a whore, ugly, stupid and fat. no matter what i wear he hates it.  i am a very thin person.  he i could wear almost anything. but if i do he tells me it looks horrible, or i look like a whore.  he thinks i am cheating on him when i go to work.

he has my selfasteem so low that i do not even want to go out any were.  i lost my job because of him.

he does not work and it is so hard dealing with this, we do not communicate at.

 

i know what i need to do, but it is so hard after 21 years...........but i am trying to get my self together.

 

Carol

Lord, I am SO tired of women staying in abuse relationships when, these days, you have so many wonderful resources!

Please go to my website, WWW.NONONSENSEGRAMMYTREE.BLOGSPOT.COM/ , click on "January" and scroll down until you find the article titled "Even A Turtle.....". Maybe you can find some help there.

 

NO woman should live like you are, but you will continue to be abused because you are allowing it.

I cannot believe you've put up with it for 21 years.

 

Way past time for a change!

 
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February 19, 2008, 8:32 am PST

Scott

Scott,

I know you, I am the step mother to your last wife's kids. You really need some help and I hope Dr. Phil will give it to you.

 
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February 19, 2008, 8:50 am PST

02/19 The Dr. Phil House: Rules of Engagement, Part 2

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Lily, you and Tim are in for a train wreck.   You're 19- you shouldn't be raising a kid and getting married. You should be on a beach in Rio or traveling the world or in college.  Babies are complicated enough when you HAVE all the resources, at your age, it's going to drain everything you have and require many things you don't.  If I were you, I would put the baby up for adoption, go to college, and THEN see if you still have feelings for each other.   By the time you have your first job, your money issues won't be as big because you have higher earning power.   

Are you kidding me. So they are young Lily is lucky Tim didn't run like most men.   Yes it's going to be rough but every single marriage has it's bumps in the road.  YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO TELL THEM TO GIVE THERE BABY UP.  I have been were they are and you can do great. Money is always going to be an issue in a world that only cares about money.

At 19 you can have tons a resources to raise a child.  They can give that child everything it needs and tings it don't need and it can and will most likely become a great person.  I had a child at 19 I even tried making things work with the father even I was date raped. (at that time I didn't understand you could be raped by your boyfriend but that's another topic)  I worked and he worked.  when I had the baby I stayed home.  My son had everything he needed and love.  he didn't need designer clothes but he had more than he needed.  he did have name brand diapers but he had what he needed.  he went to the dr for every well baby check up and every time he was sick.  and his father nor i had a college degree.  I hate to tell everyone but a degree doesn't mean more money.

heck my father doesn't have one and makes great money working for bowing.  I child cares about love and being warm and feed and clean and healthy and dry...the basics and love.  I see many people who can afford a child and give them all the toys and stuff in the world but can't be bothered to give them the love they need. 

I still can't believe that you are so down on them because of there age...here they contact dr phil to get help before getting married and you are telling them to give up before even trying.

Tim and Lily don't know if you are reading this but you can make it if you want to make it.  I may not have married the father of my first son. but I got married at 22 and everyone told me that was to young and we are doing great.  yes we have debt but show me someone who doesn't owe someone else something.

You love each other and that baby and well I think you will do fine as long as you keep up the hard work it takes to make a marriage work.

I am speaking directly to you:

 

You are right that a college degree doesn't ALWAYS mean more money....but it sure can better your chances! Education is never wasted.

 

The more education you have, the more intelligent you become, and the more you have to offer your children. Just because you aren't in school and have children too young, doesn't mean you have to stop learning. There are many ways in which you can educate yourself....books, educational TV programs, (PBS is a wonderful station, as is The Discovery Channel, The Learning channel, National Geographic channel, etc.) 

 

I have no doubt that you love your son, but it takes way more than material things to raise a child. You need to become better educated yourself so that you can help teach your child. Think of it as a gift you will give to your child!

 

There's nothing more demoralizing to a young man than to go out looking for a job someday and be turned down by a potential employer who perceives him as ignorant because he cannot spell or write worth a darn, and has such awful grammar that he sounds like he hasn't gone to school a day in his life. What he learns at home, he will take out into the world some day....which is why I say that your own education, however you are able to get it, is a gift to your children! 

 

Please visit my website: NONONSENSEGRAMMYTREE.BLOGSPOT.COM, and go to "A Letter To Teen Moms".       

 
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February 19, 2008, 9:07 am PST

The plot thickens...

 I love these "house" shows of Dr Phil's.
It should be apparent to everybody watching by this time that it's never all the fault of one or the other. We all come into a relationship with our own baggage and expectations of the other. Rarely do we conceive  that the other has their own baggage and expectations!
Only by taking responsibility for our own baggage, jettisoning what doesn't work and working to improve the rest, not projecting our baggage onto the other, can we make a first step in really coming together.
Then comes the second step: figuring out the baggage and expectations of the one you love and being patient and loving while they also find their way.
Sorry if this sounds patronizing, I don't mean it to be.
In my own marital quagmire some of the best advice I ever got was to be as kind as I knew how to my husband. I thought the counselor was nuts because my hubby was a total jerk at the time... What a surprise that I was no piece of cake either!
 
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February 19, 2008, 9:53 am PST

What you say makes alot of sense!

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 I said that's what I would do in MY situation.  I just don't think they seem to be ready, especially if they're on the Dr. Phil House.  And they want to bring a child into a situation where they constantly fight over money. 

 

The fact is at 19, you can't give a baby what you can 5 or 10 years later.  Just a fact.  Having more assets for your child may mean the difference between taking the baby to a free clinic or a specialist. 

 

I have EVERY right to tell them what I think and what I'd do in their situation. Just because YOU did it that way, doesn't make it the IDEAL situation in which to raise a child.  I think they should keep their options open, just because she got pregnant doesn't mean they have to get married and raise kids.  They CAN adopt out, they CAN go to college, they CAN better their situation if they want to.  They're not trapped because of a dumb choice.

 

They seem VERY naive and I don't think they fully realize yet the commitment and responsibility theyre about to take on.  Thinking before you leap is a good thing.

I tend to agree with alot of what you are saying.  While this young couple may seem more mature in comparison to the other three (and it can't be too hard to out do them in the maturity department), the fact is that 19 is very very young, and even if they love ech other and bring a child into the world with good intentions, this is not the ideal age to have children at.  First of all, they are very young themselves.  They haven't actually even reached adulthood at 19.  Like you stated in your post, at 19 they are not going to be able to give this child what they could in 5 or 10 years after they get their educations, earn money and get sttled into a house, condo or whatever living arrangement they wiill have. They are already fighting constantly over money.  This will get worse once they have a child and have even more expenses.  The child will have to come first and many many sacrifices will have to be made.  They probably won't have the chance to save much and life is going to be a financial struggle for years to come.

Another thing to consider are all the things they are going to miss out on, which will probably lead to resentment later on.  Enjoying life, college experience, going out with friends, travelling. At some point they are going to feel that they missed out, though they would probably deny that now. 

I met and started dating my (then future) husband at 19, just the age that they are now.  I knew I loved him very early on and knew I wanted to marry him. But we waited three years until we both finished our educations.  Then once married,  I worked a few more years and we got into a house before having children.  By that time we could give children a very comfortable lifestyle, and in addition, we had those few years to ourselves first to go places and do things as a couple. We didn't enter the parenting years feeling like we missed out on life.

I do wish that couple the best of luck.  It is not going to be an easy road; they are not entering parenthood under optimal circumstances so they will have to try that much harder to make things work out.

 
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February 19, 2008, 10:43 am PST

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I am speaking directly to you:

 

You are right that a college degree doesn't ALWAYS mean more money....but it sure can better your chances! Education is never wasted.

 

The more education you have, the more intelligent you become, and the more you have to offer your children. Just because you aren't in school and have children too young, doesn't mean you have to stop learning. There are many ways in which you can educate yourself....books, educational TV programs, (PBS is a wonderful station, as is The Discovery Channel, The Learning channel, National Geographic channel, etc.) 

 

I have no doubt that you love your son, but it takes way more than material things to raise a child. You need to become better educated yourself so that you can help teach your child. Think of it as a gift you will give to your child!

 

There's nothing more demoralizing to a young man than to go out looking for a job someday and be turned down by a potential employer who perceives him as ignorant because he cannot spell or write worth a darn, and has such awful grammar that he sounds like he hasn't gone to school a day in his life. What he learns at home, he will take out into the world some day....which is why I say that your own education, however you are able to get it, is a gift to your children! 

 

Please visit my website: NONONSENSEGRAMMYTREE.BLOGSPOT.COM, and go to "A Letter To Teen Moms".       

First of all I know it takes learning doesn't stop because I am out of high school and college.  I just happen to be a losy speller.

I know it takes more than material things to raise my as I am now 26 years old and have another child and plan on more children.  I also happen to be happily married as well.

I do teach my child and you don't know what I teach him....my son's favorite channels are the discovery channel and TLC.

I already said I am a losy speller and that is why i help my son so that he doesn't become like me in that department.  But my son started school knowing much more than other children...why because even though for a long time it was just him and me I thought him.

To assume that you know me by one post made at the crack of dawn because I couldn't sleep do to an injury....is well you know.

I would like to say other than being able to spell very well, that i fairly well educated...finished high school in 3.5 years (before I got pregnant) and was in college and working full time when I got pregnant.
 
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February 19, 2008, 10:47 am PST

02/19 The Dr. Phil House: Rules of Engagement, Part 2

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 I said that's what I would do in MY situation.  I just don't think they seem to be ready, especially if they're on the Dr. Phil House.  And they want to bring a child into a situation where they constantly fight over money. 

 

The fact is at 19, you can't give a baby what you can 5 or 10 years later.  Just a fact.  Having more assets for your child may mean the difference between taking the baby to a free clinic or a specialist. 

 

I have EVERY right to tell them what I think and what I'd do in their situation. Just because YOU did it that way, doesn't make it the IDEAL situation in which to raise a child.  I think they should keep their options open, just because she got pregnant doesn't mean they have to get married and raise kids.  They CAN adopt out, they CAN go to college, they CAN better their situation if they want to.  They're not trapped because of a dumb choice.

 

They seem VERY naive and I don't think they fully realize yet the commitment and responsibility theyre about to take on.  Thinking before you leap is a good thing.

Lets see I had my first as a teen and my second in my twenities and both my sons have the same medical care and if they needed a specialist they got one...heck my oldest got to one fast when it was just us do all the bs paper work now.

But they can fix money problems and get the tools to learn how and talk about and still go to school.  My dad is in school and just turned 50 funny thing is he is getting the degree for the job he already holds.  My step mom just finsihed school and is a life coach.

This young man should be credited for not running like most do. 
 
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February 19, 2008, 10:54 am PST

The Fact of the matter....

The fact of the matter is that the girl is already pregnant!!!  No seconds thoughts as to wether or not they should have put that condomn on or took that pill. We all have made wrong choices in our lives but the fact of the matter is, it is more rude and cruel to tell someone they should give up their child just because it is your opinion that they do so. You TOLD them that is what they should instead of telling them that was your opinion.

I lost my mother to cancer at the age of 10 and along with my father helped raise my younger siblings. I have always wanted nothing more than to be a mother and wife and that I did! I got married at 17 had my daughter over a year later and had my son 3 years after that. I have been married now for 13 years and love my life, husband and children.  I have not once thought I made the wrong choice with my life and just because some young mothers and fathers don't make it together and some struggle does not mean everyone who is young can not make it in this world! Sure education is important but who said that was the most important thing in life. Also, all material things are not always the requirement. I think some people can live without T.V., Cell Phones, Cable, etc. I believe they need the basics, home, food, clothing, a vehicle(or just a ride to wherever). They have to learn on their own! God has given them this gift!!!!! I am sure they will do all they can to make the best choices in the future, if not they would not be on this show trying to get help to make a GREAT start!!!!!!!!!

 

I wish GREAT luck to the couple, I know if they love each other enough and have faith in GOD they will get through anything and raise a wonderful child!!!!!

 

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