Topic : 07/16 Bully Husband

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Created on : Thursday, February 14, 2008, 03:51:34 pm
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(Original Air Date: 02/20/08) Dr. Phil takes on a couple whose story will shock you. Karen says she’s tired of being degraded and controlled by Rick, her husband of six years. She says he calls her “fat pig” and “fat whore,” criticizes her makeup, makes fat jokes and puts photos of nearly naked women on their computer and exercise machine to motivate her. Karen says if she tries to get close to him, he pushes her away and says, “Don’t even touch me until you’re under 200 pounds.” Rick says when he married Karen, she was within his standards, but now she definitely isn’t. He says he’s just trying to motivate his wife, but says it’s a good thing when they fight physically because it’s good exercise “when the beast wails her arms.” Karen says she puts up with the mental abuse because they have two children, and as crazy as it sounds, she still loves him. Is there a chance to salvage this relationship? Tell us what you think!

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July 21, 2008, 2:20 pm PDT

ok so I missed the rerun

and I would give ANYTHING to know how things are going now!  There was a follow up show on this couple & they were going to be trying to get help etc. etc.  I was a bit taken aback that Dr. Phil would allow him to try to fool eveyrone this way.  narcissists will feed whatever they think you want to hear to "get away with it" & then turn things on the victim again.  Very manipulative.  Anyway I'd originallypredited that he'd have turned back around by like March or April but the follow up show was in April I think & Karen & hubby had actually come online & he was very insulted that people thought he was juust going through the motions to trick people (he didn't like me) .   I just want to hear that Karen is doing alright because she was determined to try to give him another chance and they had this "therapist" that was working with him.  I figured he'd be on his best behavior until the camera's were turned off & then he'd be back to his old self.  He apparently had a bunch of women at work telling him what he was too & this going on TV was in a way to tumb his nose at them too because he actually thought Dr. Phil would tell Karen she's over weight etc. etc. Last I'd heard they were trying to work it out which I found upsetting.  I'd love to know if she's still there & if so that things are better?
 
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July 21, 2008, 3:27 pm PDT

To : ok so I missed the re-run

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and I would give ANYTHING to know how things are going now!  There was a follow up show on this couple & they were going to be trying to get help etc. etc.  I was a bit taken aback that Dr. Phil would allow him to try to fool eveyrone this way.  narcissists will feed whatever they think you want to hear to "get away with it" & then turn things on the victim again.  Very manipulative.  Anyway I'd originallypredited that he'd have turned back around by like March or April but the follow up show was in April I think & Karen & hubby had actually come online & he was very insulted that people thought he was juust going through the motions to trick people (he didn't like me) .   I just want to hear that Karen is doing alright because she was determined to try to give him another chance and they had this "therapist" that was working with him.  I figured he'd be on his best behavior until the camera's were turned off & then he'd be back to his old self.  He apparently had a bunch of women at work telling him what he was too & this going on TV was in a way to tumb his nose at them too because he actually thought Dr. Phil would tell Karen she's over weight etc. etc. Last I'd heard they were trying to work it out which I found upsetting.  I'd love to know if she's still there & if so that things are better?

Dr Phil -   do a follow up for us on this couple please.  We all want to know that she is safe and he has learned to temper his insanity.

This is not uncommon in America anymore - abusive men.

But abusive type men on TV baring all is unusual - usually abuse like that is done behind closed door.

 

We, as women, can't all afford to leave abusive relationships.   Especially while trying to raise children.

We try to make it work for the sake of the children.   Try to protect ourselves and our children from these men. But it takes years and years to fix an äbusive man - they actually believe what they say.

 

My abusive husband,  actually told me he wasn't the problem and that I was the problem all along.

He actually believed I was the abuser.  Funny I wasn't the one put in jail - he was for assault.

Assault on your wife is despectible.

 

 The tables actually turned in my home when I told him it was time for him to move out - there is the door (calmly, without tears, and without emotion).  So far he has refused to move out.

 

 

 

 

 

 
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July 21, 2008, 10:46 pm PDT

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Unfortunately this is a sad but very true statement. No woman deserves to live in an abusive home! And the children really don't deserve it, not only are they also abused but they also learn that it is OK. I wish that women would empower themselves more and get out so much sooner. Yes, it may be scary but if I was faced with this situation I would rather face the scary unknown of my future alone than the "even more scary" familiar life with the abuser. I realize that this is sometimes easier said than done, but I would rather live in a shelter than to be abused and allow my children to witness this. To help women in this situation, I donate my good clothing to shelters that have programs designed for women to get back into the workforce and who do not have the appropriate attire. I feel that this is a very worthy cause. When I became disabled and knew that I would no longer be able to work, I donated everything that I had. Clothes, shoes, coats, purses, unopened pantyhose, everything! The value was at least $8,000., minimum, and yes it is a tax deduction, but that was not the purpose. I just wanted to be able to help others who really needed it. I mention this because if any of you have items such as this to donate, make sure that it goes towards a special program such as this. If you just give it to Goodwill, they will sell it instead. I'm not trying to tell anyone what to do of course, this is just a suggestion. It is a very good program and helps many women to get back on their feet.

I think it's a great idea to donate clothing and such to help women get back into the workforce!  There are so many ways in which to help these women and their children.  I donate our used cell phones (and batteries) to the local women's shelter since they can still be used to notify police in an emergency.  Our office once held a "teddy bear drive" where the donated bears were to used to comfort frightened children coming into shelter.

 
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July 21, 2008, 11:28 pm PDT

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It is all to easy to say take the kids and leave.  Dr. Phil's advice from his books is that you have to do all that you can do to try and fix and settle things before you divorce.  Divorce seems the easy way out for way to many people these days.  What I would like to see and hear is more advice on how to deal with verbal abuse.  I married the guy and have loved him for 23 years, I am not ready to dump and run.  The quote " get a backbone" is easy to say, but if you have ever tried to stand up to a bully, you know things get much worse.  I know things often get worse before it gets better, but I have failed to ever see standing up to my husband make things get better.  It just makes two of us acting like five year olds.  I think he is a verbal abuser, although not quite to the extent of the " bully" on tv. I definietly now have an internal critical voice.  In fact I regularly now have what I call" failure" dreams where I always have some new problem and everything I do is going wrong. I'd like to see some more concrete advice from Dr. Phil.  10 years ago I gave him and one of his books credit for saving my marriage, but his shows have been jumping the shark lately going for almost the extreme talk show entertainment bizzare topics.  It truly depresses me that his show has changed.  I used to be able to frequently find tibits of useful information in his shows, but now he seems to be going for the entertainment shock value and the advice is really thin.  "  I'll set up some counseling in your hometown if you are willing to take the help"  is about all he has to say.  How about some help out there for us struggling in the everyday trenches of marriage?

The social, psychological, and behavioral effects of bullying can be devastating.  To many, bullying refers to a person who hurts or indimidates those who are weaker.  Although this simple definition is correct, it fails to address cause and effect relationships and the complexities associated with such behavior.  Bullying is often hidden, opportunistic, mean-spirited and recurrent, AND involves an imbalance of power.  Modern-day terms for bullying such as peer victimization and social aggression further convey its significance.  Bullies seek to isolate their victims which render them helpless.  As is often the case, the tables turn where victims often start blaming themselves.  Although physical bullying is the most obvious form, it's the verbal and mental bullying that is the most psychologically damaging.  When hurt is "invisible," there is little proof that anything has happened.  For every bully, there is a victim.
 
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July 22, 2008, 10:14 am PDT

very intelligent post!!!!

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The social, psychological, and behavioral effects of bullying can be devastating.  To many, bullying refers to a person who hurts or indimidates those who are weaker.  Although this simple definition is correct, it fails to address cause and effect relationships and the complexities associated with such behavior.  Bullying is often hidden, opportunistic, mean-spirited and recurrent, AND involves an imbalance of power.  Modern-day terms for bullying such as peer victimization and social aggression further convey its significance.  Bullies seek to isolate their victims which render them helpless.  As is often the case, the tables turn where victims often start blaming themselves.  Although physical bullying is the most obvious form, it's the verbal and mental bullying that is the most psychologically damaging.  When hurt is "invisible," there is little proof that anything has happened.  For every bully, there is a victim.

I am glad to have found this post; it is a very intelligent and insightful message about bullying. I know, because I was extremely shy as a child and had experienced lots of bullying, mainly in the verbal form.  You are so right about the mean  spiritedness of bullying, as well as the fact that it is recurrent and, yes, the bullies are so good at hiding what they are doing from those in authoritarian positions such as teachers.  I had several children bully me verbally with the worst time being around 6th grade. One girl in particular (I'll call her Jane) seemed to be constantly finding fault with whatever I wore, said, did etc. and would rally other kids to join in with her in demeaning me.  It was intense and it happened every day.  The results can last for years. I do think that, although I am no longer shy and can handle social situations including problematic ones well, there are times I find myself still affected by those long ago days.

 

So what did I do about it?  I recently e-mailed "Jane"!!!  I haven't seen or heard from her in decades but got her e-mail from our High School reunion committee.  No I did not mention anything to her about the bullying..just talked about old memories from school and people that we knew.  I was determined that for the first time I would meet Jane on the same level and that she would no longer intimidate me.  And she didn't in her response.  She was in fact quite pleasant.  Actually she is now disabled.  I remember how she would target people for their weaknesses and that she was a master at finding them too. She would have made fun of someone who is in the position that she is in now.   I would never exploit the fact that she is at a disadvantage because I am not that kind of person, even after all the horrible bullying that I took at her hands (and mouth!!) as a child.  I feel no need to "get even". Re-connecting with her was an eye-opener for me as I saw the fragile side of a person that used to seem to have so much power over me. I just needed to see that, and I feel that I got my closure through this re-connection.

 

 
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July 22, 2008, 10:53 am PDT

dont be afraid

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*sighhhh*.....I just saw MY story on today's show.  I have always felt like my husband's treatment of me was abuse and now I know, without a doubt, that it is.  I am so beat down that I hate to even see the morning come.  The only time I am not depressed and hopeless is when I'm asleep.  I live for bedtime.  It's really sad and lonely.  I have tried to leave but my husband is an M.D. and I don't have the money to get away...he makes sure of that....so I'm just waiting to die.  I had a life once.  I was a model and traveled the world, living in Paris and New York.  I've now lived in HELL for 21 years.  I'm not posting for sympathy...I just needed to write this as a confirmation of what I have suspected for years.  I AM living with an abuser!  NO doubt about it.
   Hey dear, how are you? Why is it hard to leave? You get the law to get a restraining order on him. Your not happy you leave. I am in school for criminal justice at ecpi.  We get senarios.  One is if you husband comes home from work,  you poor his bottle of hennasea at 65 dollers a bottle dawn the drain?  this is a case my teacher has.  she was being choked by this large tall guy,  she is short.  Well she grabed a forlk and stabed him with it.  needless to say she stab him in the heart and killed him. Teacher say do you charge her with anything.  I said no cause she was defending herself.  Teacher also ask ok what if he repeatidaly choked her before and let go?  Ok its wrong for any person, male or female to put your hands on each other.  Unless you in some kinda martial arts compitition.  But if a person loves somebody, then why do they treat them like dirst, smak them around, tell them what to do.  Ok how do you know this time he will accually let go?  did she count how long he held it for each time, and if i count pass that nember i need start to do something before he kills me.  I think oh well stinks to be him, gues he shouldnt of put his hand around the neck.  then theirs that ok if she not happy, she being misstreated why dont she leave.  oh yes he mis treats me, smakes me around, but i love him.  how can you.  No body should die, but if it between someone life, then you got to do what it take to protect yourself.  you just need to leave, if you need body guard do it, a friend that will keep him from killing you cause your unhappy, dont want be their any more, restraining order.
 
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July 22, 2008, 12:14 pm PDT

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You couldn't change enough for me.  You are a pathetic excuse for a man.  I  hope your wife leaves you.  I'm not usually this harsh, but you have totally broken your wife's spirit, so much so that she couldn't even show much emotion on the show.  I hope the counseling that your wife gets, helps her to realize that she is beautiful and worthy in every way to have better.  You're evil and mean and I hope you get exactly what you have given, which is nothing but pain.
  Ok no one video tapes themself correct.  but if some one treats someone so bad for seven year or sevral years, how long does it take to say hey im treating my wife bad? shouldnt takes sevral years to make up your mind he mistreats me, and im unhappy.  I am a male 31.  i didnt get a chance to watch the show due to trying to make maney.  but i watch the trailer, and treateing me bad is one thing, but calling my child what he or she calles my child is no call for that.  I dont have kids, but ill be damn if some woman calles my kids names or meanfull hatefull things like he did.  I think people get in that sistuation where constinly fighting, you should just seperate.  mean she to me is not fat at all to me. she seem evrage.  she seemed hot and sexy to me.  my thought are, if you think your doing it for the sake of a child to be happy, your wrong.  the child is going to be just as unhappy.
 
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July 22, 2008, 12:36 pm PDT

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We need to rent a tazer.  Everytime he says something "not nice"  he gets zapped.  It worked for Pavlov's dog.   It will work for this dog too.
  Hi their, im a white male 31. I sure liked your tazzer idea.
 
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July 22, 2008, 5:44 pm PDT

SICK OF EXCUSES!!!

         LISTEN UP LADIES! It has happened AGAIN! Here in INDIANA another BULLY HUSBAND has KILLED his wife and one of their children! One of the kids survived a thirteen year old girl. LEFT ALONE IN THIS WORLD! Left alone because her mother decided too late to file for divorce! So for ALL you ladies that will stay with a BULLY HUSBAND because you have no money let me tell you this, THE LONGER YOU STAY WITH THEM THE MORE DANGEROUS IT WILL BE WHEN YOU LEAVE! The longer you stay with them the more controlling they become! You may think you are their WIVES but the BULLY HUSBANDS see you as PROPERTY!!! You AND your children!!!

 

           I read the post from a Md's wife here. So what if he leaves you with very little money? LAWYERS LOVE SUING DOCTORS! So GRAB YOUR KIDS and RUN!!!!!! He is a DOCTOR!!! That makes him even more dangerous! Doctors have access to drugs that can make it look like YOU committed suicide or died from a heart attack! Then WHERE would your CHILDREN be! WHO WOULD PROTECT THEM THEN?

 

           So ladies, listen up STOP using the excuse of not having enough money to leave your husbands!! Grab your kids and get to the NEAREST shelter! They will help you get out! If there isn't a shelter near you GO to the nearest police station, fire station or FAMILY SERVICES!!! There is NO excuse for staying in an abusive relationship!!!

 

            Usually, this is where I would be apologizing for saying anything that would scare or upset or anger anyone, but NOT today!!!! NOT when a CHILD is left ALONE because of an abusive man!!! If what I have said in this post can get even ONE woman out of an abusive situation then it's worth angering thousands!

 
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July 24, 2008, 8:51 am PDT

Love yourself!!

I WAS READING THE POST ON HERE AND MOST OF THEM HAD SOME VERY HELPFUL ADVICE. I SEEN WHERE MANY OF THE POST SPOKE ABOUT THE KIDS GROWING UP IN A HOME WHERE THE HUSBAND IS BULLYING HIS WIFE.  I AM SPEAKING FROM A WOMEN WHO SAW HER MOTHER ABUSED BY MY STEPDAD WHEN I WAS AGE 6-9. I DIDN'T LEAVE WITH MY MOM , I WOULD ONLY VISIT DURING THE SUMMER. DURING THOSE SUMMER MONTHS THAT I WAS WITH HER, I WITNESS THE NAME CALLING, THE PHYSICAL ABUSE, AS WELL AS THE ALCOHOL MY MOM DRANKED TO DEAL WITH THE PAIN.

 

THE SITUATION NEVER GOT BETTER, AND EVEN WHEN MY MOM TRIED TO STAND UP TO HIM, SHE STILL WAS NO MATCH. FINALLY, MY GRANDMOTHER CAME AND GOT HER AND TOOK HER BACK TO MARYLAND WITH US. IF IT WASN'T FOR MY GRANDMOTHER STEPPING IN MY MOM MAY DEAD TODAY.

 

MY THING IS THIS AT SOME POINT IN YOUR RELATIONSHIP YOUR HUSBAND OR BOYFRIEND FOUND OUT THAT IT IS OKAY TO TREAT THAT WAY AND THAT IS WHY THE DO IT.

 

ONLY PERSON CAN ONLY TREAT YOU THE WAY YOU ALLOW THEM TOO. I HAVE DATED SOME GOOD GUYS AND I HAVE DATED SOME SO CALLED BAD GUYS. I HAVE DATED A GUY THAT I WAS TOLD HE HIT WOMEN. WE DATED 3 YEARS AND HE NEVER ONCE LAID HANDS ON ME OR TALKED TO ME IN A DISRESPECTFUL WAY. AND THE REASON BEING IS THAT I TOLD HIM STRAIGHT OUT THE GATE THAT I SAW MY MOM GET ABUSED AND I WILL NOT ACCEPT IT AND THE FIRST TIME HE EVEN THINK ABOUT IT , I WILL LEAVE HIM.

 

YOU DON'T WAIT UNTIL THE RAIN COMES BEFORE YOU SEEK SHELTER!!!!  YOU HAVE TO LET THEM KNOW THAT YOU ARE NOT HAVING IT PERIOD!!!!! IF THEY CAN'T DEAL WITH IT, THEN SEND THEM PACKING. YOU HAVE TO LOVE YOURSELF IF NO ONE ELSE DOES. DON'T MAKE YOURSELF A VICTIM.

 

MANY WOMEN ARE SCARED OF BEING ALONE, BUT IF A MAN ABUSE YOU THAN YOU ARE ALONE BECAUSE HE DON'T LOOK AT YOU IN A LOVING WAY, JUST AS IS PROPERTY TO DO WHAT EVER HE FEELS LIKE DOING. THERE ARE MEN THAT TREAT THEIR CARS BETTER THAN THEIR WIVES AND GIRLFRIENDS.

 

I HOPE THIS HELP SOMEONE. GOD BLESS

 

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