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Created on : Thursday, February 14, 2008, 03:51:34 pm
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(Original Air Date: 02/20/08) Dr. Phil takes on a couple whose story will shock you. Karen says she’s tired of being degraded and controlled by Rick, her husband of six years. She says he calls her “fat pig” and “fat whore,” criticizes her makeup, makes fat jokes and puts photos of nearly naked women on their computer and exercise machine to motivate her. Karen says if she tries to get close to him, he pushes her away and says, “Don’t even touch me until you’re under 200 pounds.” Rick says when he married Karen, she was within his standards, but now she definitely isn’t. He says he’s just trying to motivate his wife, but says it’s a good thing when they fight physically because it’s good exercise “when the beast wails her arms.” Karen says she puts up with the mental abuse because they have two children, and as crazy as it sounds, she still loves him. Is there a chance to salvage this relationship? Tell us what you think!

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July 17, 2008, 3:43 pm PDT

For Mommysangel!

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What are you talking about??????????? Since when am I wrong for taking up for the wife? Why are you allowed to do it and I am not? Shame on you for writing this to me! Let's see, you said "If you don't have anything intelligent to say then don't say anything at all!!!", would you please explain what you are talking about? As a matter of fact, I would like you to explain all of the nasty things that you wrote to me! I don't deserve this! You would like for me to have one day in her shoes? Get real lady! You know NOTHING about me and you have absolutely no right to say such a thing to me. "People like me", I guess that you mean almost everyone else on this message board except for you? You seriously need to get a grip and think before you go around throwing insulting accusations around to people who do not deserve them. Shame on you!

 

P.S. I find it funny that you say "He is hateful and inconsiderate and just down right mean! I am thankful my husband is like that to me!" Really, you are thankful for that? Wow, I'm married to a wonderful man, that is what I am thankful for, I guess we just have different standards!

Please read the message above! I want to make sure that you don't miss this. I am waiting for my apology.
 
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July 17, 2008, 4:07 pm PDT

07/16 Bully Husband

I just finished watching the bully husband episode.   That guy was so extreme, I had a hard time believing he was even real - his attitudes and beliefs left me speechless.  Is it just me or did the wife's flat affect, quiet voice and lack of ANY emotion (even anger or tears) strike anyone?  She's so beaten down, she doesn't even react!  She has no guts to stand on her own two feet, grab those kids and GO because hubby has taken everything from her.  He's an obvious abuser.   She has no self esteem whatsoever because of his treatment of her but she needs to get out of there, if not just for herself, for her kids.  I would have liked to have known if she had any other family support or any close friends that she could depend on.   I'm surprised Dr. Phil even thought that these two had even a small chance of staying together and making their marriage a success.    To me, it was hard to care anything at all about him but she needs to take those kids, get out and get herself into some intense therapy.  I'm just sayin'..........I hope they do a follow up show on this couple cuz I'd be curious to see where things went.
 
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July 17, 2008, 4:24 pm PDT

07/16 Bully Husband

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Does anyone besides me know what is so wrong with having an emotional response? Would it be better if we were all emotionless pod people instead? Just curious!
It would only be bad if it was PURELY emotion based. If there as no substance to your point of view. Other than that  I see nothing wrong with passion for ones opinions.

Your point of view doesn't seem to be purely based on emotion...I think you're fine.

This accusation is just a red herring...ignore it.
 
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July 17, 2008, 5:25 pm PDT

It's not that easy to leave

I feel badly for Karen and I DO know the hard decisions she will have to make. If not after the airing of the show, but someday she will make that choice.  It's never easy leaving an abusive relationship. By the time you make the decision to go, you are then in survival mode.  Faced with an uncertain future... he's always bullied me... how can I escape?  And when she does, he then finally claims he loves you, wants you back, can't live without you... all the things you wanted him to say before he berated you.   How can you survive this, he's made you feel so unsure of yourself, you don't know whether you're coming or going.  He will be uncooperative when it comes to spliting assets, he will use his children to continue the abuse... although suttle comments from the mouths of babes should never hurt us, those babes are being brain washed. Just as she was....  with the promise of a wonderful future together, children, grandchildren.  Emotional abuse doesn't happen overnight, it takes  sometimes years for it to get to the point where Karen is - Emotionally shut down.  She keeps trying to fix it, but there is nothing wrong with her, this I have learned through personal experience.  She has turned it off, it is the only way she can survive the abuse.  An experience which was totally unecessary, after all we don't have a choice of how someone else treats us.. They can be kind or be cruel....  it's the choice of the abuser.  Karen turned it off to protect herself.

 

If your spouse is cruel to you it is their choice - THEY ARE ABUSERS! Not you... you do not deserve to be berated, beaten, sexually abused, economically, verbally abused.  This is not your choice.  It is the abusers choice.

 

You desesrve to be loved better - that's all I can say for now, as this makes me very sad

 

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July 17, 2008, 6:31 pm PDT

Bully Husband

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Some women stay because they want to

 

STAY ALIVE.

 

Separation, leaving, divorce puts an abused woman at a 75 % higher risk of being killed.

 

Staying alive is first and foremost, for both the woman and her children.

 

 

 

 

 

There are bully women as well, and they too are Narcissistic.  My son has been involved in a relationship over the past year.  Because of this woman, every relationship he has, has been damaged.  With his children, his ex-wife (a great relationship for which the children benefited though she is happily remarried),  his sister and best friend etc. He is no longer the man he was, but considers himself to be terribly flawed and messed up, but he thinks she is a caring, loving, warm wonderful woman who he met but who sucked him in.  We all liked her at first and were thrilled for him to find someone to love him, boy were we wrong.  It has taken over a year to see who she really is, and he still doesn't.  He has been close to suicide numerous times.  He is now seeing a counselor, but I don't think he has a clue about what this woman is doing to my son. In researching Malignant Narcisissts she fits every classic criteria, and the worst is, they have an uncanny ability to get inside people's heads, and analyze them to use for their purposes. 

 
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July 17, 2008, 7:12 pm PDT

Hello Penny!

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It would only be bad if it was PURELY emotion based. If there as no substance to your point of view. Other than that  I see nothing wrong with passion for ones opinions.

Your point of view doesn't seem to be purely based on emotion...I think you're fine.

This accusation is just a red herring...ignore it.
Yes, that is wisdom that I think I should follow. I just didn't get where this person was coming from, it was a ridiculous response. Yes, of course there does need to be substance to any point of view, unfortunately some people seem to be lacking in the area. Most of the people on this board do seem to be on the same page for a change and I find that very refreshing, considering how serious this subject is.
 
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July 17, 2008, 7:25 pm PDT

Isn't that such a shame?

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There are bully women as well, and they too are Narcissistic.  My son has been involved in a relationship over the past year.  Because of this woman, every relationship he has, has been damaged.  With his children, his ex-wife (a great relationship for which the children benefited though she is happily remarried),  his sister and best friend etc. He is no longer the man he was, but considers himself to be terribly flawed and messed up, but he thinks she is a caring, loving, warm wonderful woman who he met but who sucked him in.  We all liked her at first and were thrilled for him to find someone to love him, boy were we wrong.  It has taken over a year to see who she really is, and he still doesn't.  He has been close to suicide numerous times.  He is now seeing a counselor, but I don't think he has a clue about what this woman is doing to my son. In researching Malignant Narcisissts she fits every classic criteria, and the worst is, they have an uncanny ability to get inside people's heads, and analyze them to use for their purposes. 

How old is your son? Let me make sure that I understand this, he did have a good relationship with his ex wife and because of his current girlfriend, he now doesn't? If that is the case, it's a terrible thing for this woman to do. My husband stayed on good terms with his ex wife, not that he really wanted to but because of the children. When I came into the picture I would have never expected that to change. As a matter of fact, I respected him even more for it. That is a true man or woman, who puts their children before their own problems. And I also happen to know a woman who is very much like the woman that you described. She is my brothers ex wife. She is a narcissist! She would try and destroy every relationship with every member of his family, which were all women. My father had already passed away by then. She was a real piece of work! Luckily he seems to have found a very nice and good woman at this point. And all of our relationships with him are improving now also. I hope that someday soon your son will see her for what she is and that you will get back the son that you used to have. The suicide part is very scary, if this had never been on his mind prior to meeting her, it's definitely a red flag of what she is doing to him. I wish he could see that for himself. I'm very sorry for your troubles and hope that everything works out for the best. Jewels
 
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July 17, 2008, 7:32 pm PDT

Dump this "LOSER!"

I was so infuriated watching this episode! WHO does this "Jerk" think he is? Karen was right in contacting the Dr. Phil show - I'd love to hear how she is progressing & if she has made any decisions to leave this 'LOSER' or not?!  I was horrified to hear how he berates HER & talks down to HER! Rick is one of the most annoying slobs I have ever seen on TV & he has the nerve to state that his wife's obesity 'disgusts' him? I laughed when Dr. Phil asked Rick IF he had taken 'a look in the mirror or had a mirror at home?' I mean come on guy - 'YOU are not ALL that & a bag of chips believe me!' This verbal abuse is being passed onto the children & IF Karen 'thinks' that she is saving her relationship for the children one thing I would like to share with her that was the best advice that I ever received & gave ME the will to leave a 'dead-end relationship' myself was the term 'self-sacrifice!' I was NO longer willing to 'self-sacrifice' MY own happiness for that of MY child because really how happy was my child in a dysfunctional environment where both parents could NO longer even  function as a couple that affected both of OUR parenting skills to raise this child in a warm, loving, safe enviornment. That was the 'promise' I made to my Son when I brought him into this World! I have never been happier with that decision & I have never looked back either. I sincerely wish Karen ALL the best & send my prayers out to her & her children. Keep your chin up Girl & your eyes forward....YOU are better than HIM & that is what scares the crap out of him! He knows he is 'nothing' without YOU! Women are the 'givers' of Life & the behind every Man is a 'good Woman!' He needs to either realize what he has with YOU & 'respect' YOU as the 'mother of HIS Children' or it is time for YOU to kick this Loser to the Curb because YOU deserve so much more out of Life than this...believe me...I know from first hand experience! "Don't hang onto Mr. Wrong, how else are YOU going to find Mr. Right?!"

 
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July 17, 2008, 9:06 pm PDT

Unbelievable!!!

Oh my word, what a jerk.  He is so arrogant that the thought has crossed my mind that he must be acting.  I wish I could reach through my tv and punch him.  Dr. Phil, narcissistic is an understatement!!!
 
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July 17, 2008, 10:05 pm PDT

I agree.............

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I was so infuriated watching this episode! WHO does this "Jerk" think he is? Karen was right in contacting the Dr. Phil show - I'd love to hear how she is progressing & if she has made any decisions to leave this 'LOSER' or not?!  I was horrified to hear how he berates HER & talks down to HER! Rick is one of the most annoying slobs I have ever seen on TV & he has the nerve to state that his wife's obesity 'disgusts' him? I laughed when Dr. Phil asked Rick IF he had taken 'a look in the mirror or had a mirror at home?' I mean come on guy - 'YOU are not ALL that & a bag of chips believe me!' This verbal abuse is being passed onto the children & IF Karen 'thinks' that she is saving her relationship for the children one thing I would like to share with her that was the best advice that I ever received & gave ME the will to leave a 'dead-end relationship' myself was the term 'self-sacrifice!' I was NO longer willing to 'self-sacrifice' MY own happiness for that of MY child because really how happy was my child in a dysfunctional environment where both parents could NO longer even  function as a couple that affected both of OUR parenting skills to raise this child in a warm, loving, safe enviornment. That was the 'promise' I made to my Son when I brought him into this World! I have never been happier with that decision & I have never looked back either. I sincerely wish Karen ALL the best & send my prayers out to her & her children. Keep your chin up Girl & your eyes forward....YOU are better than HIM & that is what scares the crap out of him! He knows he is 'nothing' without YOU! Women are the 'givers' of Life & the behind every Man is a 'good Woman!' He needs to either realize what he has with YOU & 'respect' YOU as the 'mother of HIS Children' or it is time for YOU to kick this Loser to the Curb because YOU deserve so much more out of Life than this...believe me...I know from first hand experience! "Don't hang onto Mr. Wrong, how else are YOU going to find Mr. Right?!"

But I do have to say that he IS "not all that and a bag of dog pooh", he doesn't rank high enough for that! But beyond that to more serious matters, I'm happy to know that another woman found the strength to leave an abusive relationship. When it comes to the children, I think that they need to be thought of first and foremost. The children need to get out of this type of environment the minute that it begins. They are our future and our most precious resource. They also need to be protected from the horrors of abuse.
 
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