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Created on : Thursday, February 14, 2008, 03:51:34 pm
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(Original Air Date: 02/20/08) Dr. Phil takes on a couple whose story will shock you. Karen says she’s tired of being degraded and controlled by Rick, her husband of six years. She says he calls her “fat pig” and “fat whore,” criticizes her makeup, makes fat jokes and puts photos of nearly naked women on their computer and exercise machine to motivate her. Karen says if she tries to get close to him, he pushes her away and says, “Don’t even touch me until you’re under 200 pounds.” Rick says when he married Karen, she was within his standards, but now she definitely isn’t. He says he’s just trying to motivate his wife, but says it’s a good thing when they fight physically because it’s good exercise “when the beast wails her arms.” Karen says she puts up with the mental abuse because they have two children, and as crazy as it sounds, she still loves him. Is there a chance to salvage this relationship? Tell us what you think!

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February 18, 2008, 4:07 pm PST

What is wrong with people?

If you really love someone their size doesn't matter and you don't treat someone that you love like dirt. If he really loves his wife then he wouldn't be knocking her down like he is he would be encouraging her to loose the weight in a positive way and if he wants her to exercise then he should be willing to do it with her. You should always be willing to help the pth some one doesn't mean that you have to be togetehreople that you love no matter what the issue is. But what I want to know is why does this woman feel like she has to put up with all of this from some man, just because you have children with some one doesn't mean that you have to put up with being abused what is that showing her children?  Children are better off with one parent that is happy then to have two parents together miserable. I am sure she is a strong woman and she needs to realize her strenght and that she doesn't need this man in her life and she can be better than ever if she would just realize her worth.
 
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February 18, 2008, 4:33 pm PST

name-calling...

 

My step-grandfather used to do this to me.  I was a chubby kid, and he would make comments about my weight- a real jerk.  Anyway, the seeds were planted and I ended up an anorexic teenager, I never was convinced I was thin- even though my bones were showing.

 

I had to realize that my self worth wasn't tied into whether I was fat, thin, or purple.  I still struggle with dieting and exercise and can't stand to gain an ounce, but I do eat.  I have quite a way to go before I'm comfortable in my own skin and comfortable at a healthy weight.

 

My husband is the most wonderful man ever- so patient.  He treats me like I'm jewel-encrusted!  I'm so lucky to find that male acceptance and let someone in despite fears of rejection once he found my flaws.

 

Anyway, it really infuriates me when I see some sorry jerk verbally abusing a child and screwing them up astronomically.  Why not rip her heart out while youre at it?  Karen, if you won't leave for you, at least leave for them. They desserve better.

 
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February 18, 2008, 4:52 pm PST

Oh My God

What is wrong with those men how dear they say what they have been saying 2 there wifes that is just so rude they have no rite 2 say dat 2 there wifes the men need help so bad they dont need 2 hit there wifes they should walk away insted of hitting there wifes and kids.
 
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February 18, 2008, 7:47 pm PST

you know

this is just crazy. I dont even know what to say about this. Their is NO way in heck a man would talk to me that way. Their is NO sense in putting up with it.  GET OUT!!!!!
 
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February 18, 2008, 10:02 pm PST

02/20 Bully Husband

                  Karen, you deserve so much better than what you're getting, don't take his abuse please. You also need to think of your four year old little girl, she honestly don't need to be around a dad that would call her momma names and treat you like he does. It sounds as though old Rick has really messed with your self esteem, he doesn't look so hot himself. He says you are a fat pig and all that mess, it sure is hard to think better of yourself or try to do better when you are called names and treated so mean. Maybe you try to stand up to him, you know what Dr. Phil says," you teach people how to treat you". Let today be your day of redemption from a bully of a husband............my husband used to try and control me and he was so very jealous but, after years of that, it seems that within the last ten year or so, I started doing what I wanted and when I wanted to do it, I mean its nothing bad or anything like that but, if I decide to go the beach, I go. My husband now is a wonderful and loving man, he is very good to me...........but, I say its all God for Jesus really and truely changed my husband into a loving man...............................take care of yourself and your precious little girl...........................Laney
 
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February 19, 2008, 4:16 am PST

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She has support, but she is in need of professional help to give her the courage to leave the jerk!  You can't just offer advice to leave, you have to want to do it!  She's in it for the kid's sake and that is sad...

Good morning.  I read your response to my posting.  First, I am glad to hear (from one of your other postings that you are a friend of Karen's.  She will need all the support she can get to get out of this sad situation.  I agree with you that she would probably need counselling to uncover the reasons why she puts up with this as well as to get the courage to get out.  While we  don't know much about Karen's particular situation (the show hasn't aired yet) I suspect a few things are fairly common in this type of situation.  The guy uses put-downs to erode away the woman's self-esteem.  Then he lets her know how "lucky" she is that she has him because no other guy is going to give her a second look because of the way she looks. Does he try to isolate her from other important people in her life?  He doesn't want the voices of sanity and common sense to reach her because she may pick up and leave.    I don't even know that he truly wants her to lose weight.  If she did, and became more physically attractive  and her self-esteem picked up, she might decide to leave him behind.  I suspect this whole thing is a huge control issue, and that he has his own self-esteem issues.

About your comment that she is in this for the kids.....she MAY think she is doing the right thing by keeping the family together, but the kids are watching and absorbing what they see, and will grow up thinking that this is the "normal" way that things are.  They should not grow up believing that it is normal for a woman to be belittled, particularly by the person who is supposed to love her above anyone else. 

 

 
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February 19, 2008, 4:22 am PST

the double standard

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From the previews I seen of this upcoming show, Rick is no free trip to Hollywood himself.  I have heard other men on previous shows degrade they're wives for being over weight when they are way over weight themselves.   That is not love she feels for him, it is just that she is so insecure about herself that she is afraid if she leaves him that no one else will have her.  He has probably drilled that into her head day after day.  I hope she gets up the courage to tell him to take a long hike and never return.  He could use the hike to drop some of that weight he is carrying.
The double standard always amazes me.  Some fat slob of a guy thinks it is his perogative to criticize and put down a woman who is overweight, but doesn't think that he himself needs to do anything about his own appearance, and heaven forbid if someone should dare mention his weight problem to him!!!!!
 
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February 19, 2008, 4:31 am PST

yes!!!

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I think it's the husband w/ low self-estem,so breaks down his wife and controlls her so she won't leave him. I'm pretty sure she could be happy without him..LEAVE HIM WOMAN, HE MAKES YOU MISARBLE, HE CAN'T MAKE HIS WIFE HAPPY..WHAT A LOSER...You don't need him, be free from this ugly pathethic man.

Yes!  I thought the same thing.  He destroys HER self-esteem so that she feels worthless and wouldn't even attempt to leave him.  He probably makes her feel like she is lucky that she has him and that he stays with her (even though she is heavy!!), because "no one else would want her the way she is".

She needs to get out quickly, not only for her sake but for the sake of her children.

 
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February 19, 2008, 8:21 am PST

Only losers belittle people Lose him, girl!!

I told a guy once that kept finding things wrong with me that I thought if he could find enough wrong with me that he wouldn't have to take the risk of loving me.  He thought about it and agreed. Didn't change him, because he was a womanizer.

 

This guy is beyond cruel, beyond pathethic, and if he thinks she's not up to his standards, he needs to find someone else who is and let her find someone who thinks she hung the moon, because believe me, he needs to get this message:  "One man's trash is another man's treasure."

 

His criticism of her tells me he is narcisstic and totally in love with himself.  In the end, he will get someone who is just like him and will find what goes around comes around, and he Will remember all the things he said and did to his wife. 

 

Dr. Phil, he needs to be stopped, because he is teaching his children to grow up and be God knows what. You watch enough on serial killers and they can find all kinds of reasons connected to their childhood to murder women for just such nonsense! Not to mention, you can kill with your words and this man has more than murdered his wife over and over.

 

My first husband told me that I was so ugly I was doing good to get him!  I'd seen pictures of his past fiancees' and I was the best looking.  However, having been raised by such a man, I went on an excersion to find out, and I found out he didn't know anything. His next wife must have believed him, because she stayed and let him cheat on her and molest their children, and said that's just the way the Blackman men are, when her daughter told her.

 

Someone needs to pop them in the mouth every time they open their mouth and say such stuff for the next 30 days, and I guarantee you, they will shut it up! Like the rubber band on your wrist.  Girls like us need dads and fathers to stand up for us and say to these men, "You will not disrespect my daughter or my sister ever again or this little piggy will go to the market:"  Don't remember the name of the series but I loved "Jesse" played by Tom Sellek, a police chief, when this woman's husband kept abusing her and the protective orders didn't work. He showed him he had a protective order that did and that he would be following up if he ever did it again.

 

 

 

 

 
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February 19, 2008, 8:22 am PST

02/20 Bully Husband

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WOW. This fellow needs a bit of a wakeup call. Motivating somebody does NOT include humiliation, bashing, degrading, belittling, or using children or others to mentally abuse someone, because that's exactly what it is, abuse. Not even close to "motivational", and is wrong on every level. 

 

I can only surmise that he has extremely low self-esteem and needs to put his wife down simply to make himself feel better. On top of his poor as heck behavior, he then involves their daughter?! I'm agitated just sitting here thinking about how this guy could think that this type of action is in any way, okay to do. I mean come on!

 

Not only does this man need to attend some serious spousal abuse groups, he needs to take his being a role model for his young child, and take parenting classes...a lot of them. This man has a very long way to go...or If she was smart, she would tuck-tail and call that marriage a day...and take custody of the daughter. Obviously he is in no way even close to being a good father, or husband.

Long way to go my friend, long way to go. Good luck family.---Matt

WOW, Is correct I read your comment and I have to say this has GOT to be the Best comment I've read, Everyone else is saying ''GET OUT'' GET OUT NOW WHILE YOU CAN'' Well its NOT That easy when the Woman Loves him unconditionally. She will get out but Obviously NOW is not the time. She is my sister and I love her dearly and she has MORE FAMILY Supprt then he will EVER HAVE

 

Not only is Their daughter involved but they have a beautiful lil boy who is 2 yrs old also. Lets not forget We dont want Nicholas to Act like his daddy. I think DADDY needs some ACT RIGHT. Maybe they will get the help they need and he will REALIZE HE AINT ALL THAT.

 

She did fine without him and will do FINE when they Split

 
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