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(Original Air Date: 02/20/08) Dr. Phil takes on a couple whose story will shock you. Karen says she’s tired of being degraded and controlled by Rick, her husband of six years. She says he calls her “fat pig” and “fat whore,” criticizes her makeup, makes fat jokes and puts photos of nearly naked women on their computer and exercise machine to motivate her. Karen says if she tries to get close to him, he pushes her away and says, “Don’t even touch me until you’re under 200 pounds.” Rick says when he married Karen, she was within his standards, but now she definitely isn’t. He says he’s just trying to motivate his wife, but says it’s a good thing when they fight physically because it’s good exercise “when the beast wails her arms.” Karen says she puts up with the mental abuse because they have two children, and as crazy as it sounds, she still loves him. Is there a chance to salvage this relationship? Tell us what you think!

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February 20, 2008, 11:07 pm PST

Call yourself MATT!

I am simply shocked and outraged that anyone would allow themselves, but especially their precious children to live in a home with daily abuse by a person who would speak profanity at them, put them down, order YOU around AND YOU STAND FOR THAT!!!!?????

Wouldn't it be easier to throw yourself down on the ground call yourself MATT, and let him stomp on you everyday, because that is what he is doing to your spirit. But if you cannot see the beautiful person inside you, then run like hell and take your precious children with you, who don't have the skills to protect themselves from such an abuser. God doesn't create JUNK, so don't listen to a word that PIG is saying to you, he is lacking many things in his life like GOOD JUDGEMENT, COMMON SENCE AND TENDERNESS, so because he knows he is totally worthless as a man, he is taking out his frustrations on you and your kids. As far as SEX GOES.....he probably lost his ability awhile back because of his weight gain, but is too ashamed to say anything! Or maybe he can't find his own WINKIE under all his FAT!

 

And if he ever reads this message, I just want to say HONEY I AM A SIZE 10, I AM BUSTY AND BEAUTIFUL AND LOVED AND ADORED BY MY MAN, AND IF YOU WERE THE LAST MAN STANDING ON EARTH......I WOULD RATHER MATE WITH A GOLDEN RETRIEVER THEN GIVE YOU A FIRST GLANCE......BECAUSE YOU SAY YOUR OWN WIFE ISN'T TO YOUR STANDARDS.....I HAPPEN TO SEE YOU AS A OVERWEIGHT BEAST, WITH A HUGE BARREL SHAPE, A HUGE MOUTH, NO CLASS, AND NOT FIT TO SHINE MY SHOES.....TAKE A LOOK IN A FULL LENGTH MIRROR BEFORE YOU JUDGE ANYONE, YOU LOW CLASS DOMINEERING, SMART ASS PIG!

You should be so lucky to have even 1 person that loves you in this world, and YOU think you can do better! Hahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaa..........

GET SOME GLASSES, AND GET A CLUE......I am outraged and pissed off at your behaviour today on the show, do you kiss your mama with that mouth?

I really hope she leaves you, and you are left alone FOREVER to look at your own reflection in the mirror.

 
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February 20, 2008, 11:13 pm PST

Changing is easier said than done

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To all the responders who haven't even seen the show yet, it doesn't get any better than the trailer. For I was there to experience the pain of karen (my wife). I had no idea I was that bad, for people don't video tape their lives, and go over them at night and see their mistakes and correct them the next day. I would like to apoligize to Karen and let you know that every action has a reaction, and no one knows what we are really going through in our lives, but that is no excuse for the way I have treated her or other people in my life. We are currently "BOTH" getting help, thanks to Dr. Phil and his wonderful staff. And as time goes on hopefully we can fix our marriage, but it will take some time, and alot of apologies from me. Please give us a chance to heal instead of throwing salt on the wounds. For now  " I " know how she feels after reading your comments.

                                 Ashamed

First of all, you definitely have a lot to be ashamed about.  I don't think that you should even be calling Karen your wife.  A real man would never treat anyone like that most of all his wife (hint to you...being that she is your wife, she is someone that you are supposed to love and protect)  Whether you believe it or not, you have killed her spirit and hopefully she will be able to now start to rebuild that with the help that Dr. Phil provides.  I honestly believe that you do not deserve another chance.  If you truly loved your wife, or even just cared for her as a human being, you would have never treated her that way...and you don't deserve to have anything more than the responsibility of child support with your children either.  I don't care how angry you are, a four year old could never do anything bad enough to be talked to the way that you do.  I hope that you realize the issues that your daughter is likely to have with men when she grows up...girls tend to learn how relationships should be through their fathers.  TRANSLATION:  If your daughter allows herself to be in an abusive relationship like your wife, it will be your fault!!  She will think it is normal for a man to treat her the way you treat her mother.  I do believe that Karen is at fault as well, she should have taken your children away from the situation, but that in no way takes any of the fault away from you.  You better pray that your wife doesn't leave you (I will be praying that she does, for her own sake and the sake of your children) because you are definitely not attractive and although that is not normally what matters in a relationship you lack the personality and everything else.  I hope that you truly do change by I think that it is a lot easier for you to say that you are going to change than to actually do so.  And for the record...you deserve salt being thrown on your wounds...I honestly can't believe that you even think that you have any wounds.  Karen and your children are the ones with the wounds.   And sometimes people need to hear the truth from strangers to realize how much they need to get themselves out of a situation.  I know Karen may not want to hear that she should end her marriage and begin starting her life with her children as a single mom, but the truth is, that is what she needs to do to get on with her life. 


Karen,

  You still have time to make things right with yourself.  I think that with Dr. Phil's help you will be able to start over and build yourself back up.  I also want you to know that there are men out there that will love you for the woman that you are.  I think that you need to get back to the woman you were, you husband has torn you down so much that I am not sure that you even know who you are anymore.  I will pray for you, I believe that making the changes necessary you can get your life back, and you still have plenty of time to find the man that will truly LOVE  you and CHERISH you the way that you deserve.  For now make sure that you get back to loving yourself and cherishing yourself.  You are a beautiful woman no matter what your husband has told you and you may be a little overweight, but you do not look that large.  Womens bodies change after they have kids.  You seem to carry yourself very well still and you need to know that you can do so much BETTER!!!
 
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February 20, 2008, 11:31 pm PST

A message for Karen from the show

Karen, I just want you to know that I was in the same spot you are (minus the kids) several years ago. Of course, mind you I am 5'7 and only weighed about150 lbs at the time. I still received the exact same treatment you are receiving from your husband. It's almost uncanny, if I close my eyes it's almost like the show is talking about me and my ex bf. I want you to know that you truly are a beautiful woman and he's flippin crazy to think that there aren't men who would LINE UP to make you happy regardless of your size. There are men out there who can and will love you for who you are, exactly the way you are. Take it from me, I know from experience. I am very much a "plus size woman" and not only did I follow that relationship with a perfect marriage (he passed away in an auto accident years ago now), but I am in another fabulous relationship now at the age of 36. The key you need to embrace is that you have to fall in love with yourself and respect yourself before anyone else is going to. I am not egotistiacal at all but I do love myself first and most (in fact I think I'm one pretty damn cool chick). Once you embrace that (and dump that ignorant idiot) you will be a happier woman. I know that having kids makes it harder but you have to think about what you are teaching them. You don't want them growing up to think that is the way men are supposed to treat women. They will just fall into the same trap. As a mother, your first job is to take care of yourself for your kids. And that means physically, mentally, emotionally and spiritually. Please email if you would like to talk more. My email is dtrmoon@hotmail.com. Luv you sister!
 
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February 20, 2008, 11:43 pm PST

This man made me sick.

There are three men on the Dr. Phil show in the recent past who literally made me feel sick and disgusted. "The Bully" today was one of them. The camera panned to some faces in the audience, and one woman had a consistent look of disgust that mirrored mine.

 

Is this guy living in the Dark Ages? It's almost hard to believe he's for real!  His little mouth movements, blinking eyes, stupid statements (for such a "smart" guy) -- this fat 'prince' of a man just made me sick. Who does he think he is?? Arrogant doesn't even begin to describe him.

 

If I were Karen, who looks totally beaten down and probably unable to make a move to protect herself and her children, I would leave as soon as I returned home. Yes, get counseling for yourself, Karen, and don't worry one whit about your so-called husband. He's a self-serving, arrogant, bullying, disgusting, clueless, abusive prick. And that's only the tip of the iceberg!

 

You CAN do it (don't think for one minute you can't!) and, if he wants to be involved in his kids' lives, then let the court handle that. I also would report his child abuse to the department of family and children, or whatever it's called in your home state. I'm shocked that you expressed your love for him. WHY? Where do you seriously see or feel any "love?!" And why would you even want to have sex with him? Just boggles my mind. You must get the help you need to turn your life around, stay strong (for you & your kids) and don't backpedal.   Unbelievable!!

 
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February 21, 2008, 12:08 am PST

It's not a backbone that she needs.

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Just from reading the preview..this woman needs to get a backbone and fast!!!!! Quite frankly, based on the descrition of what this guy has done and the put-down comments he makes, I'd have taken the kids and run for the hills a long time ago if I were Karen.  No one deserves to be called names for being overweight, and pointing to other women (attractive and skinny I'm sure!) and asking the kids if they want her for their new Mommy is unconscienable.   And whether he realizes it or not, he is not motivating his wife with his insults. He is making her miserable and she is probably turning to food to fill the huge void. And what message does this send to the kids?  Hope she has some extended family support she can count on, and that she gets herself and the kids out as soon as possible.

     Some will question why this woman hasn't left this marriage.  They will wonder why she's willing to accept the put downs, the lying, cheating and though he only push her a little, the physical abuse.  She knows that what he's doing is wrong.  She even knows that his actions not only hurt her, but her children as well.  So why does she stay?  She's hoping for what was.  The rationale side of her brain is saying get the heck out of here.  Her romantic side is trying to recapture the love, the joy the thrills they had at the begining of the relationship.  The rational and romantic sides may be overlaping at this time, but they will gradually pull apart.  One day she will be able to look at her situation and say I deserve better. 

 

     This woman has suffered greatly.  She may not have visible bruises, but she is bruised inside. She is scared of leaving.  I suspect she's wondering...If she is the problem...What's he going to do if I leave?.....Is he going to take the kids?  Can I survive without him?  Will he pay child support?  What about the house?  What about the bills? Where do I go from here?  I'm fat, I'm ugly...at least that's what I've been told over and over again by the one person who should love me the most, no one else is ever going to want me....I'm going to die a lonely old woman.... Maybe he'll change if I just hang in there.  I hate this marriage....I wish this was over.....

 

     I've been this woman for the past 10.7 years.  I'm not a weak individual.  I'm actually the manager of a staff of over 100.  I'm the bread winner...always have been.  Yet my husband convinced me that I wan't worthy of respect.  That I should accept his put downs, his cheating etc....after all, he did say sorry later, he just wanted me to love him more...he just wanted to get more of my attention.  10.4 years of marriage, three rounds of therapy trying to figure out what's preventing me from just walking away....what am I hanging on for.  Honestly, I was hoping he would see how miserable he made me feel and that he would change back to the man he was when we first met (in hindsight he probably never changed, I just hand love blinders on and couldn't see his faults)..... New page in life, the rational and romantic sides of my brain have now separated...good news for me....bad news for him....3 months into a divorce and life is getting better each day.  Still have a long way to go....still worried about becoming a cat woman in my later years, but at least I will be happy. 

     Counseling mixed with time is what she needs.  I can't wait to see the follow-up episode...I wonder who's going to be singing the blues then, I'm guessing the husband.

 

 

 
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February 21, 2008, 12:44 am PST

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I don't usually watch daytime T.V. anymore because I don't want my infant daughter exposed to too many adult issues.  I had a horrible head cold today so I could do not much else but look after her needs and stay horizontal on the couch when she was playing on her own.  What made me stop on Dr.Phil was that Rick looked exactly like an old abusive boyfriend I used to have.  Watching the show gave me the eebeegeebee's at how similar they were.  I met my boyfriend  when I was 17 and I stayed with him for 2 years.  During that time I was broken down and criticized almost daily.  Near the end of the relationship the physical abuse was getting worse as well.  He was extremely controlling and would not let me phone my family when I was at his house.  He would tell me how much he loved me though and if I ever broke up with him he would commit suicide.  I was ready to break up with him after a year but the threat of killing himself kept me with him another year.  Finally when I decided to do it, I thought living with this man would either make me kill myself eventually or I could picture myself going crazy and rocking back and forth in an insane asylum.  Both options I did not want for my life so I gathered up the courage and told myself to run as fast as I could away from this man.  He did disappear for a while when I broke up with him and I did fear that he killed himself but then he did resurface in a mental institution.  After that experience I did not want to date just any man.  I stayed single for the next 8 years and dated only extremely casually.  I kept telling myself I would rather be with no one for the rest of my life then a jerk.  I met the nicest man in the whole world, then we married two years later and have been married now for almost five years.  In that time he has never criticized me once!  Not in words, tone or actions.  We had a baby girl last year and he if the nicest most loving father.  I am so thankful to have escaped the situation of my teenage years.  I feel so bad for Karen to be living a type of hell on earth.  I could have easily been her.
 
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February 21, 2008, 1:27 am PST

Abusive husband

After watching this show, & listening to this very ignorant man....I am blown away by Rick who says he is always RIGHT. That his wife is not smart, so he has to dictate to his wife on what she needs to do, because she is the one that didn't have his proper upbring.ing, listening  there was not one intelligent word that came out of his mouth. She was the smart one as it was her that wrote Dr. Phil, for help. He thinks no one would want her, .........believe me this man has absolutely NOTHING to offer a woman. I wonder how motivated he would be if his boss constantly told him how dumb he was, how ugly he was, that he did not do his job right, on a regular basis. I don't think he would have that job very long. No one , especially him would take the abuse, that this woman has. She desperately needs to get rid of him. No woman in her right mind would stay and put not only herself through this abuse nor her children. This man is very mentally unstable, and is beyond STUPID. He doesn't get it. He really doesn't GET IT. He has accepted the counseling help from Dr. Phil, ........well let us please pray that he gets the much needed help, that he desperately needs, far more than his wife .  And she certainly needs help, to have waited this long to seek help. And, he says he loves his children, but yet abuses

his children,  and talks about his children not being looked after properly.??  Calling his children names is the same as beating them.  The way to his children's heart is to treat their mother with love and respect. He's blessed to even have this woman as I assure you, that I or 95% of women would run rom this abuser, so fast that it would make his head swim. For he is definately NO PRIZE!!!!

 
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February 21, 2008, 2:22 am PST

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Wow! I watched this show yesterday and I have to wonder why any woman would put up with that crap. I would rather be alone than live that hell. He doen't love her at all. As for staying for the kids, you have got to be joking, her son will grow up to be just like him and her daughter just like her. How is that helping her kids. If she doesn't leave for herself, please leave for the children.
 
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February 21, 2008, 2:41 am PST

02/20 Bully Husband

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My husband says the reason he has not so much as touched me in the last 7 of the 14 years we have been married  is because he is not attracted to fat women. I was thin up until 9 years ago when I was diagnosed with fibromyalgia and had to leave work. I am on disability. A year and a half ago I had lap band surgery and have lost 70 lbs. Now my husband has decided that he just doesn't love me anymore. I do not get much money for disability so I cannot support myself. I have talked to a attorney and my husband has everything worked out to where I will get next to nothing. I am deeply depressed and feel like my marriage is making my health problems even worse. Due to chronic fatigue syndrome I have gone from someone with a very clean house to very unkept and I can't get anyone to help me. My husband's friend says that I'm just "a fat lazy bitch". My husband agreed with him. 

I'm so sorry to see that you are going through what I am currently experiencing. I worked two jobs for several years to support my husband and to help him start his business.  I was diagnosed with Fibromyalgia and Rheumatoid Arthritis, and am now on Social Security and long-term disability through my company. He also called me fat and lazy; took pictures of my "messy' house, and kept a daily journal of what I did, when I got off the couch, where I went, when I came back, and how much money I had. He complained to his friends and family, within earshot, about my cooking or housekeeping, or weight, If I did clean the house perfectly, he would find a piece of dust in the corner to complain about, If I did spend money and time making a pot roast, with beef, potatoes, carrots, etc., he'd open a can of stew, with beef, potatoes, carrots. He kept us separated from our  our church, friends and family. He also withheld affection and sex from me, presumably as punishment, for the last nine of our twenty-five years together.  I remember Dr. Phil once told a guest that bank robbers get out of jail sooner than that.

Long story shorter; we finally left him, and are in the court battle. He found an attorney who is just as abusive. Several months after we left, I was diagnosed with kidney cancer, and needed surgery. My husband was notified by our local radio station that I had won their grand prize of $5000.00. He told no one about it, but made sure I found out, two months after it was too late to claim the prize, I couldn't even afford the pain medication, and recovered with meager nutrition. He would have been entitled to half, but he'd rather see me have nothing than to get $2500.00 free money.

Your marriage is indeed making your health problems worse. Your husband knows what he is doing financially. It's very difficult to find an attorney you can afford. I had to borrow money from my elderly parents just to consult with vocational experts to counteract the ones he hired. I'm broke, and he knows it. The business that I helped him build gives him almost 100K per year, and yet he says he can't afford support. But enough of me. Remember that you have value. If the house isn't perfect, so the h*** what? He'll survive. You need to rest when you need to rest, and do some cleaning only on your good days. Try to avoid cooking anything that takes a lot of stirring, because it hurts to stand, and it hurts your hands to stir.

On your good days, you can cook up extra batches for leftovers, but only if it isn't too tiring. On your bad days, you deserve, and need, to rest. If you can, see if there is a support group or counseling for domestic violence in your area. Remember, it doesn't have to be physical to be violent. God Bless.

 
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February 21, 2008, 2:52 am PST

Bully Husband

Quote From: ashamed1624

To all the responders who haven't even seen the show yet, it doesn't get any better than the trailer. For I was there to experience the pain of karen (my wife). I had no idea I was that bad, for people don't video tape their lives, and go over them at night and see their mistakes and correct them the next day. I would like to apoligize to Karen and let you know that every action has a reaction, and no one knows what we are really going through in our lives, but that is no excuse for the way I have treated her or other people in my life. We are currently "BOTH" getting help, thanks to Dr. Phil and his wonderful staff. And as time goes on hopefully we can fix our marriage, but it will take some time, and alot of apologies from me. Please give us a chance to heal instead of throwing salt on the wounds. For now  " I " know how she feels after reading your comments.

                                 Ashamed

Has reading a few negative comments about yourself brought you down a few notches??  It's only been a few days of negativity for you, imagine the years of abuse your wife has had to endure and at your hands.  If she is still with you it is nothing short of a miracle. 

 
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