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Created on : Thursday, February 14, 2008, 03:51:34 pm
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(Original Air Date: 02/20/08) Dr. Phil takes on a couple whose story will shock you. Karen says she’s tired of being degraded and controlled by Rick, her husband of six years. She says he calls her “fat pig” and “fat whore,” criticizes her makeup, makes fat jokes and puts photos of nearly naked women on their computer and exercise machine to motivate her. Karen says if she tries to get close to him, he pushes her away and says, “Don’t even touch me until you’re under 200 pounds.” Rick says when he married Karen, she was within his standards, but now she definitely isn’t. He says he’s just trying to motivate his wife, but says it’s a good thing when they fight physically because it’s good exercise “when the beast wails her arms.” Karen says she puts up with the mental abuse because they have two children, and as crazy as it sounds, she still loves him. Is there a chance to salvage this relationship? Tell us what you think!

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February 21, 2008, 3:34 pm PST

02/20 Bully Husband

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I was so angry at this man it took all my strength not to hurl my mug of tea at the TV. But I was impressed with Dr. Phil's analysis of this man as being narcissistic. My father in law has Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD). This is a mental illness whereby someone needs to delude themselves 24/7, to puff themselves up, or else they may commit suicide. There's no reasoning with someone with this disorder, for their brain's genuinely screw up reality in their favor. This is why the man could so boldly declare all the awful things he'd done to his wife without a hint of contrition or remorse. His brain justified the things he had said & done, to match up with his version of reality. It was only as the show progressed & he realized that he wasn't in favor with the audience or Dr Phil that he showed any kind of remorse. But it wasn't true remorse. The important thing in his mind is to be liked & respected & he will automatically say what he has to. If he can't get away with saying certain things, he'll say something else. People with NPD are arrogant & will only associate with people they believe "worthy" of them, yet like Dr Phil pointed out, at the root of this condition is total, complete insecurity. My father in law abuses me when I'm around him. He's endangered my life, yelled at me in restaurants, belittled me, put me down repeatedly. When my husband confronted him my FIL refused to apologize & even went so far as to say that the events didn't even happen! He's a very sick man. My husband & I haven't visited with him now in almost a year & I dont care if I ever see him again. Here's the punch line: my father in law is....a psychologist! So be careful who your mental health providers are. Check their background if possible.

 

Amen!

For those of you who watched the show and were blown away at the audacity of the Narcissistic husband, take a good long look and listen very carefully to what he had to say.

This truly is the face of mental illness, NPD.  Beware.

 
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February 21, 2008, 3:36 pm PST

Yep, he is impotent

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Yepper, that's exactly what went through my mind the minute Karen said she'd met the 200 pound standard Rick set for sexual activity to resume. But, he was still rejecting her sexually. I suspect Rick just didn't want to admit that  his own weight gain has made him impotent. So, he continues using Karen's weight as an excuse.
Why else would he only "make out" with his other woman?
 

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February 21, 2008, 3:38 pm PST

02/20 Bully Husband

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Rick, is that his name???  I believe that he sincerely wanted help from Dr. Phil.  I think he came on to see what it is that he's doing wrong that won't make his wife ms. perfect.  He just needed advice on how to get her to clean, lose weight and be his fantasy.  He really believed himself and his sincerity of all he has done.  The world just doesn't understand that she just doesn't get it.  He believes in her to be perfect and he just wishes she would see all his good intentions behind his "help" he's giving her.  He does it all or it doesn't get done.  He loses weight, he cleans the house to show her the way.  He only looks at other women because he doesn't have a wife he lusts after - she could fix that.  She could do so many things & then they would have the perfect marriage. 

But in effort to be "trying" at this marriage he will whine about his job, his life, him.  He'd have a pity party about how certain things just aren't the way he expected it to be.  He'd start to tell the sad story of his childhood, his crushed dreams and think he's being intimate with her.  He'd just give up in disgust that he tries to open up to her and she's a witch.  If she could just appreciate all that he does, all that he's given.  He might even shed a tear or two at his sincerity of not being all that he wants to be.  He'll be humbled, so to speak.  And what a cold hearted person she is for not trying.  She should think about the kids, their life, their history.   He just wants the best for her, for them.  He wants the family that he never had or had or wished he had doesn't she share his dream?  Tears will fall as he tries to open up.

Don't mind her.  She's just lonely and sad because she wallows in self pity according to him.  She has her friends, kids & family and job to keep the pain at a distance.  She'll not be a woman struggling out there with all of the responsibilities on her shoulders.  At least she doesn't have a huge financial worry on top of all of this.  Besides she's pretty incompetent by now anyways.  And she doesn't want pity from those that will see.  And it's gotta take a lot of strength to start completely over.

You have to leave in the middle of night and you have to leave with nothing - at least that's what you say.  They are so mean when they want to be.  So you'll show him and the world you do have a backbone.  Only he has it held hostage in the closet of his mind and he'll beat you with it verbally if that's what it takes. 

Yeah this fella wanted help.  He wanted to be told he's entitled to what he wants in this world.  He only listens to half the messages about postive thoughts, good thoughts, he listens to how someone should love and just can't get it that he isn't loved that way.  Oh Dr. Phil please help he see, it's his world we are just in it.

I clearly heard him say that he came on the show so his wife could get the help she needed.

 

Narcissists set the bar so high that no one can meet it,

and they just keep moving it higher and higher.

In the end, you get nothing of value from them. 

They are heartless, "empathy impaired", lacking true empathy and consideration

for anyone but themselves.  They are virtually without a soul.

 
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February 21, 2008, 3:38 pm PST

RUN

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Karen, RUN.

Listening to the show memories flooded back.  Only a few years out of a relationship just like Karen's.  It starts so slowly you don't realize what is happening.  Amazingly enough he still tries to bully me.  My advice to Karen is to RRRRUUUUNNNNNNNNN!  No therapy will fix the narcissistic behavior.  No therapy will stop the cheating.  I'm sure he has cheated many more times than he was willing to admit on tv. 

 

Get therapy for yourself Karen and remember Dr. Phil was right.  It is not about you.  He is trying to make himself look or feel better and unless he is ever willing to admit it there is no hope.  Your children do not deserve to grow up thinking that this is how marraige should be.  That is my biggest regret.  My children were almost grown when I got out.  I pray that they will see him for what he is. 

 
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February 21, 2008, 3:43 pm PST

His Hostility Will Only Get Worse

  I honestly can't see what there is to "love" about this man.  Other than the fact that he is familiar and she is just used to being with him.  But, what is there to "love"?  He goes out of his way to be hostile, rude, angry and nasty to her.  His behavior has probably gotten worse and worse because she allowed it and he just kept pushing further and further.  He obviously doesn't have the balls to leave her so he is trying to make her leave so he can blame her for all his woes.

  He is a terrible person and a terrible father.  If he is treating her that way, it is very damaging for the children to constantly see and hear this about their mother.  And, it won't be long until he directs his smug, self-centered, nasty attitude toward them.  He is obviously very angry and too bad he wants to spend his life being such a miserable person.  What a waste.

 
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February 21, 2008, 4:19 pm PST

He Did Say That

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I clearly heard him say that he came on the show so his wife could get the help she needed.

 

Narcissists set the bar so high that no one can meet it,

and they just keep moving it higher and higher.

In the end, you get nothing of value from them. 

They are heartless, "empathy impaired", lacking true empathy and consideration

for anyone but themselves.  They are virtually without a soul.

Yeah, I heard it too.  He wanted her to get help.  You are so right in what you say.  I was trying to be sarcastic in the manner that the jerk wanted us all to "understand" him.  He actually didn't take Dr. Phil's flip remarks as insults.  That was crazy.

This guy sees the world through a completely different set of lens.  Because he so firmly believes it he can actually convince his wife it's true and that's the sad part.   It was almost what made him a comedy on the show.  He was completely convinced that they both needed help.  He really thought Dr. Phil would help her see her faults and help him fix her.   Help him fix what he's doing wrong, because his intentions are there.  He believes this. 

Empathy impaired is so right on the mark.  It's all ultimately how they feel that matters. 

Counseling won't last more than 3 visits and he won't feel anything unless God forbid he hits bottom all by himself and he gets to see just how much he has hurt others on his path of self righteousness.

 
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February 21, 2008, 5:01 pm PST

Speachless

 I am in total amazaement of that guy and the way he treats his wife, I feel terribly sad for her and can see in her eyes that she is broken and feels powerless. I am shocked that this guy doesn't have a clue and sat there lying to all of us telling us what we wanted to hear, or what he thought we wanted to hear. when Dr Phil said something to him about what he did wrong, he would all of a sudden turn it around like he was having a pitty party on himself and woe is me, i no i screwed up (You don't have a clue or believe that you screwed up) I no how she feels, i had a husband like that who was a marine so you could imagine how worse it is, I got thinner on my own and stronger on my own because he beat me down so bad where i hated my life and living in it. the problem with him doing this to me was letting me hit rock bottom, cause there was no where to go but up from there, and that i did. I had a goal in mind and that was to get thinner, and the day he comments on how great i look and how much he now loves me, was going to be the day i left him and that i did, i feel so much better now and am horrified when i hear stories like this that remind me because that feeling doesn't ever go away, it's always in the back of your mind in the future and you sit there an wonder will i meet someone else that will do this to me again. you say you won't but how can you tell when someone is charming and nice and they turn after you marry them and you have kids. I hope and pray with all my heart that she finds her way out, he won't change, he is not that smart obviously to take what the professionals say as a good way of living, he doesn't have the skills it takes to be a better man. He will only beat you down till there is nothing left of yourself and you wish your life would end cause it couldn't get any worse...Please Please Please Leave, think how happy you and your kids will be away from him. He will have Visitation but remember the less his kids see him the more empowerered they will become, they won't be insulted all the time and have broken spirits, if you don't like how it feels, imagine how little children feel having it done to them, they don't undertand why they are feeling it, they just no it is changing them. Don't walk RUN!!!! Empower yourself. you can do it, i no you can. Find the place in your heart that you tucked away just for you and ignite that.
 
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February 21, 2008, 5:03 pm PST

Dirt Bag

I just watched the show and I truly feel for the porr woman.  This man has destroyed every little bit of self esteem she has.  And he will do the same with the kids when they are old enough... he even has started!!   He is disrespectful and doesn't deserve a wife like her.  She is way too good for him.  She should pack up and leave him.  It is not healthy for those kids to be in that environment and it is not good for her either.  How much abuse can you take??  This guy should be put in jail.... or at least get some of his own medicine.  It is extremely hard to leave your home.  You might think you have nothing... you might think you won't make it.... but there's help...  And You can make it.... really.  Please get yourself and your children out of there. 

 

And he came on the show so his WIFE could change??  COME ON!!!  Shame on you!!!

 
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February 21, 2008, 5:08 pm PST

Yes, he absolutely did say thtat!

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Yeah, I heard it too.  He wanted her to get help.  You are so right in what you say.  I was trying to be sarcastic in the manner that the jerk wanted us all to "understand" him.  He actually didn't take Dr. Phil's flip remarks as insults.  That was crazy.

This guy sees the world through a completely different set of lens.  Because he so firmly believes it he can actually convince his wife it's true and that's the sad part.   It was almost what made him a comedy on the show.  He was completely convinced that they both needed help.  He really thought Dr. Phil would help her see her faults and help him fix her.   Help him fix what he's doing wrong, because his intentions are there.  He believes this. 

Empathy impaired is so right on the mark.  It's all ultimately how they feel that matters. 

Counseling won't last more than 3 visits and he won't feel anything unless God forbid he hits bottom all by himself and he gets to see just how much he has hurt others on his path of self righteousness.

Oh yes, absolutely!  He said that alright!  He was there to get his wife help.  And of course he knew ALL the areas where she needed help too. She's too heavy.  She doesn't keep house right.  He has to be around to make sure the kids are taken care of  properly because she doesn't do that right either.  She puts the laundry on the couch instead of the bed.  And oh yes, the housekeeping is the woman's job so he leaves her lists of things to do  which must be done when he comes home from work.  But of course she is at work too so when will she be able to do all this in time for him to walk in the door and do nothing, (except maybe find new screen savers or hang new pictures on the treadmill.)

 

I was amazed too that he totally missed the sarcasm in Dr. Phil's comments to him.  Any normal person would pick that up.  Any HALF normal person would pick it up too.  It goes to show you how far off the bell curve this jerk is.

 

"Empathy Impaired"  That is a good one!  I doubt this guy can be reached.  As soon as they try to clue him in in counseling he is going say there is something wrong with the therapist.  He'll ditch counselor after counselor because he will never believe anything is wrong with him. They'll be wrong; he'll be right. After all he is the perfect one  and the world revolves around him and only him.

 
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February 21, 2008, 5:38 pm PST

02/20 Bully Husband

 Seeing this guy made me ill because my dad is a lazy  version of him! And with a pathological narciscist , there is nowhere to go but OUT! And calling your 4yo a "bitch"? That's also abuse! This woman needs to divorce him, then lose 50 pounds and strut her stuff around here.  Dr. Phil really nailed it with the pathological narcisscism. My dad is a textbook case and  I have no contact with him because he is/was very toxic. Not just verbally abusive to me, but physically as well.
 
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