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Created on : Thursday, February 14, 2008, 03:51:34 pm
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(Original Air Date: 02/20/08) Dr. Phil takes on a couple whose story will shock you. Karen says she’s tired of being degraded and controlled by Rick, her husband of six years. She says he calls her “fat pig” and “fat whore,” criticizes her makeup, makes fat jokes and puts photos of nearly naked women on their computer and exercise machine to motivate her. Karen says if she tries to get close to him, he pushes her away and says, “Don’t even touch me until you’re under 200 pounds.” Rick says when he married Karen, she was within his standards, but now she definitely isn’t. He says he’s just trying to motivate his wife, but says it’s a good thing when they fight physically because it’s good exercise “when the beast wails her arms.” Karen says she puts up with the mental abuse because they have two children, and as crazy as it sounds, she still loves him. Is there a chance to salvage this relationship? Tell us what you think!

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July 24, 2008, 7:53 pm PDT

07/16 Bully Husband

Quote From: michiganderres

She has support, but she is in need of professional help to give her the courage to leave the jerk!  You can't just offer advice to leave, you have to want to do it!  She's in it for the kid's sake and that is sad...
Professional help is what got me through living with a man like this.  My suggestion is for her to educate herself on narcissist personality disorder.  If she is staying in it for the sake of the children, it won't matter.  Get out now before he turns the children against her.  I made the mistake of staying for 17 years, now he has turned our children against me at ages 15 and 16.  They want to live with him and are not talking to me.  She needs to work on strengthen herself and stand  up to him.  Get a backbone, take the kids and get out now.
 
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July 25, 2008, 1:18 pm PDT

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I can only agree with what everyone else has said except the wife needs a good talking to for allowing her kids to endure this abuse.  When he is abusing her, he is abusing them!!!!  Maybe she dosen't see that though, althoughI dont know how, she's got a brain !  If it hurts her, it hurt them!!!!

God help those children.

I know Dr. Phil will help her with her self-esteem issues and give her the courage to leave his sorry ass .

One thing is for sure, I wouldn't stay with him irregardless of how much "therapy" he agreed to.  If he has this much meaness in him now, he always has and always will.  I don't believe the basic personality changes that much.

He is so ugly anyway, who would want his disgusting self.  I agree that he projects his own self hatred onto her but that would be his problem, not mine.

Like I said, God help those children and may she be a better Mother than subject her children to such a hate filled and miserable life. 

I don't know how many of you have lived in this kind of situation, but if you ever had, you would know that it isn't so easy to just walk away.....Kids or no kids!!!!  You loose all self esteem, because you are belittled so often.  You doubt your every move, and you HONESTLY start believing the things that he tells you about yourself that you would have never believed before.  I lived with a husband that talked to me like I was this horrible creature, but before we were married I was the greatest thing since sliced bread.  On our honeymoon, he told me that I needed to loose weight.  I am 5'5" and at the time I weighed 120 pounds.  For my height and bone structure, that was too small.  I was sunk in on my chest and my face looked years older because there was no meat on my bones.  The more he told me this the more I believed him, and like this lady, I would go into another room to eat because I was afraid that he would see me eat something.  I finally got up enough nerve to leave him, but that was two years and a baby later.  I had become bulimic, and it took me ten  years to finally get control of that.  I am now married to a wonderful man, that my ex-husband told me I would never find, and my daughter is very healthy and happy.  You can't judge this woman for staying with someone, because she's endured it for so long, she actually believes it.

 
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July 25, 2008, 6:09 pm PDT

Run away and run fast

I wish I could tell this poor woman to read the book "Malignant self Love" Its about Narcissism, and Dr. Phil sorta hit on it in the show, but he didn't tell her that there is no cure, and he is the same sorry sap he is and will be forever.  I never realized until lately what NPD (Narcissistic Personality Disorder) which stems from childhood, which it sounds like he had.  I am not a trained psychologist but I lived with one for 23 years and I know the signs.  I wish Dr. Phil would learn more about this and the effect it has on the spouce (Not that men are the only ones with NPD) but he need a whole show on this to educate the public on this disorder.  The effects this has on women (and or men) and how it lowers them to the same catagory this woman felt.  It put tears in my eyes and I wish I had the chance to be there to tell her and DR. Phil that she does need help, but she should run away and take her children as far away from him as she can so her children don't learn to treat someone the same way he did.  Its not fair to them, and she is hurting her children by not putting them through this abuse.  No amount of weight or no Miss America body will ever change this "so called man"  Her only hope is to run and run fast.

Sorry to be blunt, but its the truth. 

 
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July 27, 2008, 8:45 am PDT

Abuse is a Deal Breaker

To Karen:

 

If you stay in this relationship, even if he tries to stop this behavior through therapy.

 

One day you WILL wake up and hate him for what he did to your children (and you)    But :

Do you know the opposite of love?   Its not hate - its apathy!

I learned that in 4th yr Psychology classes in college.

 

Someone who has been there - set enough limits on my abuser to stop the behavior.

Lost weight, look good, have a very decent career now and I am self-supporting.

And now is fairly apathedtic towards my abuser.

 

 

 

 

 
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July 27, 2008, 10:25 am PDT

Abuse is a Deal Breaker

To Karen:

If you stay in this relationship, even if he tries to stop this behavior through therapy.

 

One day you WILL wake up and hate him for what he did to your children (and you)    But :

 

Do you know the opposite of love?   Its not hate - its apathy!

I learned that in 4th yr Psychology classes in college.

One day you wake up and are apathetic towards this man you call a husband.

 

To Karens husband:

You are an amazing study in what not to be as a man.   Even if Dr. Phil's Therapist's are able to STOP your insanity -  you have done permanant damage to your family,  the very people you should love most.

I can't believe you found a woman desperate enough to want to have an affair with you.

You exposed yourself on national TV  -  lets see how many woman line up in your queue now!

 

   

  

 

 

 

 
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July 27, 2008, 10:33 am PDT

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I wish I could tell this poor woman to read the book "Malignant self Love" Its about Narcissism, and Dr. Phil sorta hit on it in the show, but he didn't tell her that there is no cure, and he is the same sorry sap he is and will be forever.  I never realized until lately what NPD (Narcissistic Personality Disorder) which stems from childhood, which it sounds like he had.  I am not a trained psychologist but I lived with one for 23 years and I know the signs.  I wish Dr. Phil would learn more about this and the effect it has on the spouce (Not that men are the only ones with NPD) but he need a whole show on this to educate the public on this disorder.  The effects this has on women (and or men) and how it lowers them to the same catagory this woman felt.  It put tears in my eyes and I wish I had the chance to be there to tell her and DR. Phil that she does need help, but she should run away and take her children as far away from him as she can so her children don't learn to treat someone the same way he did.  Its not fair to them, and she is hurting her children by not putting them through this abuse.  No amount of weight or no Miss America body will ever change this "so called man"  Her only hope is to run and run fast.

Sorry to be blunt, but its the truth. 

Way beyond Naraccistic Personality Disorder (NPD), is a Bully Husband.

It is someone who is Verbally Abusive and all Physical Abuse is preceeded by Verbal Abuse.

 

The Lesson for Karen:

 

There are Basic Rights in Relationships.

1)  Right to goodwill from the other

2)  Right to emotional support (you have none from this jerk)

3)  Right to be heard by another and be response to with courtesy

4)  The right to live free of criticisms and judgements (over your weight or implied criticism of see that woman she could be your mother).

5)  The right to be called by NO NAME that devalues you!

6)  The right to be respected NOT ORDERED.    

 

Karen, you recognize the abuse, whether it be emotional, physical or any other type and it shocks you to your core.  This man needs to recognize what ABUSE means - he doesn't.

 

 

 

 

 
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July 27, 2008, 12:58 pm PDT

Narcissisium (Hell on earth!)

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Professional help is what got me through living with a man like this.  My suggestion is for her to educate herself on narcissist personality disorder.  If she is staying in it for the sake of the children, it won't matter.  Get out now before he turns the children against her.  I made the mistake of staying for 17 years, now he has turned our children against me at ages 15 and 16.  They want to live with him and are not talking to me.  She needs to work on strengthen herself and stand  up to him.  Get a backbone, take the kids and get out now.
I've been married 8.5 yrs. with a man I've known since I was 10yrs old. I thought I knew him...wrong...so wrong! right after we were married everything changed. It has taken me much research to be able to pin point this disorder. These years have been the hardest that I've ever endured. I call them crazy making!!  I raised two wonderful, kind ,educated functioning adults as a single parent, I've lost two parents eight months apart and a brother. I have tried everything, books, tapes, councelor and a pastor (whom I thought was egotistical himself) I tied my inheritance up in this marriage and will never be able to retrieve it. The world knows the man I thought I knew, to them he is wonderful, he has posioned their minds aganist me, narcissist will do anything to protect their image, that's all it is about. There is only a false self. Narcissist cunningly twist your reality, they are Dr Jechyl and Mr. Hyde, even their own family is used for their needs, but they can't or won't see it. They have similar traits.The emotional abuse, verbal abuse and even some physical ( of course the physical is just enough to convience you, him and others, it wasn't really anything much) I feel he lives a totally separate life that he trys to keep hidden. I have been on a journey of discovery, I've learned about myself as well as him. I've discovered why I allowed myself to be sucked in with him, and I know his family well, therefore can see where his narcissisium orginated. I'm sad for him and us. I'm doing what I can to prepare for a life on my own. I would give anything to save this marriage, but is can't happen. There isn't anyone to have a marriage with, just a shell. Living with a narcisisist changes you, it will break your spirit and tear your soul to pieces. There is no way for anyone to truely conprehend what hell you are living in. You pray that you will survive. Please do not be quick to judge this lady, I feel she has suffered much, just as I and I'm sure many others. This is a hidden horror we've lived in. I wish Dr. Phil and others would address this issue more in depth, it is a nightmare and many are searching for the answers trying to make sense of their situation. A blog for those to encourge each other and share would be so helpful, like the bi-polar one Dr. Phil has. I encourge all of you who really want to know more about this disorder to read " Malignant Self Love" Narcissism revisited, by Sam Vaknin.,it's been the best discovery for me, it has become a survior bible to me, so I can verify the craziness and valadate my gut feelings, when he constantly trys to keep me so mixed up. He even has my children confused and they aren't his. They are worried about me always being upset and about the medical problems I've aquired during all this and about my happiness, but I think they think it's like every other marriage, that it is 50/50 as far as fault goes. I'm here to tell you, there is no 50/50 when there is one being abused. The hardest thing for me has been, wanting so bad for those that love me, or us understand, so someone else could really know what is really going on, but it is almost impossible to explain. I just do not wish this on anyone!
 
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July 27, 2008, 1:29 pm PDT

Narcisisisits DO NOT CHANGE!!!

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If all of this helps you to change, then I can forgive all of the times that we have suffered it.  You know, family can be a powerful tool.  The support , closeness and love that Karen has from her family is what you hate most about us.  We don't tell her what to do in her own life, but we are listening.  You have the most beautiful family and you have not been able to see it out of selfishness.  It's okay!  As long as you see it now, while the kids are small enough not to have it effect them.  Your kids are the most beautiful miracles in life that anyone could dream for.  Even myself.  Let's stop this madness and become a loving family like it should be, that way you can have the extra support that you need too.  As it stands now, you're not getting it!    You're family also needs to be supportive of Karen instead of ridiculing her the way you do.  They do not help matters because they are only supportive of you and what you are telling them.  Fix it!  You can do it, I know that you can.  Take the shame and throw it in the garbage for good!
You see he's just enjoying this attention, it doesn't  matter what kind just as long as it is about him...he's being fed his narcisisitic supply!!!!
 
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July 27, 2008, 10:32 pm PDT

07/16 Bully Husband

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I am glad to have found this post; it is a very intelligent and insightful message about bullying. I know, because I was extremely shy as a child and had experienced lots of bullying, mainly in the verbal form.  You are so right about the mean  spiritedness of bullying, as well as the fact that it is recurrent and, yes, the bullies are so good at hiding what they are doing from those in authoritarian positions such as teachers.  I had several children bully me verbally with the worst time being around 6th grade. One girl in particular (I'll call her Jane) seemed to be constantly finding fault with whatever I wore, said, did etc. and would rally other kids to join in with her in demeaning me.  It was intense and it happened every day.  The results can last for years. I do think that, although I am no longer shy and can handle social situations including problematic ones well, there are times I find myself still affected by those long ago days.

 

So what did I do about it?  I recently e-mailed "Jane"!!!  I haven't seen or heard from her in decades but got her e-mail from our High School reunion committee.  No I did not mention anything to her about the bullying..just talked about old memories from school and people that we knew.  I was determined that for the first time I would meet Jane on the same level and that she would no longer intimidate me.  And she didn't in her response.  She was in fact quite pleasant.  Actually she is now disabled.  I remember how she would target people for their weaknesses and that she was a master at finding them too. She would have made fun of someone who is in the position that she is in now.   I would never exploit the fact that she is at a disadvantage because I am not that kind of person, even after all the horrible bullying that I took at her hands (and mouth!!) as a child.  I feel no need to "get even". Re-connecting with her was an eye-opener for me as I saw the fragile side of a person that used to seem to have so much power over me. I just needed to see that, and I feel that I got my closure through this re-connection.

 

Julie -

 

I highly recommend the book, "Odd Girl Out - The Hidden Culture of Aggression in Girls" by Rachel Simmons (Harcourt, Inc. 2002).  It really opened my eyes.

 
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July 28, 2008, 6:01 pm PDT

He should look at his own image

I wonder where bully husband gets the idea that he's God's gift. He should be buying his own exercise equipment, and getting a face makeover.

I didn't see the show, but what I see from his picture he could certainly use some physical improvements.

I'm betting his wife can do better than him.

 
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