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(Original Air Date: 02/21/08) Stalking allegations, surveillance cameras, restraining orders. This may sound like a television drama, but it's the life of a mother and daughter who have declared war on each other! Rita claims her daughter, Lisa, is alienating her from her 13-year-old grandson, Koal, and is brainwashing him to hate her. Lisa says Rita is crazy and is using Koal as a weapon to hurt her. Lisa's ex-husband, Koal's father, says his ex-mother-in-law is a habitual liar and control freak. Neither parent believes Koal should be forced to visit with Rita. Accusations fly when mother and daughter face off. With all the finger-pointing, who's telling the truth? Dr. Phil drills down on the issues. You won't believe what he thinks may be at the root of this problem. Then, with seven lawsuits filed, Lisa and Rita have visited the courthouse numerous times. Rita won her grandparent's rights to visit with Koal, and she says she will stop at nothing until Lisa allows her to see her grandson. Plus, hear from the 13-year-old boy who's caught in the middle of this nasty family feud. His comments may shock you. And attorney Gloria Allred sheds light on who has what rights in this case. Can this family arrange a plan for peace? Join the discussion.

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February 21, 2008, 4:06 pm PST

02/21 Family Court Battles

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 Different states have different laws concerning grandparent rights. I only wish the judge in their case could have heard the transcript of this show, especially when the grandmother made the comment about how Cole is always welcome in her bed! Major red flags going off there. I'm not saying the mother was perfect, but I still believe PARENTS should have the final say about their children until they reach legal age. This grandmother was far too passionate about putting her needs ahead of the young boy's. Cole didn't sound confused...he sounded fairly articulate to me.  It is almost like a divorce situation, where the kid is shuffled from one home to the next. That is NOT GOOD. LEAVE HIM ALONE!

I heard her say it loud and clear that the grandson was always welcome in her bed.

 

Along with the inappropriate sexual relationship she formed with her daughter's "friend",

and her youngest son still sleeping in her bed at age 15!!!

Hello!!!

Something seriously wrong with this woman!

 
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February 21, 2008, 4:08 pm PST

WHAT A MESS

 

Wow! What are you thinking?  See your grandson "no matter what"  soon enough he will realize that he won't want to see either one of you.  What a great way to drive a child right out of your lives.  Mom and grandmother included.  Even if grandma wins - you cannot win the child.  He will hate you both for all the trouble caused by both of you.

 

As for her dating a man years younger. Men do it all the time.  Kudos to her, I can't understand why the male sector gets away with this and women are ostracized for doing exactly the same thing.  She has been with this man for many years.  I believe the daughter is holding a grudge about this and this mess stems from it all - jealously.  What has he to do with any of this..........poor guy. 

 

I agree with Dr. Phil when he says they are all "out of whack".  Withough justification - grow up all of you.  Leave the child to make his own decisions.  He will come to grandma if she just shows her love without all of the court crap............stand back and leave him alone.   I am a grandma of my 16 yr old I raised him for his teenage years and then his mother wanted him back.  That is where he wanted to be.  I let him go.......even though it was not where I wanted him to be.  He loves me and I love him.  I don't agree with his living situation but it is his choice and I want him to love me for the "rest of his life and mine"!

 

Grandma you need to back off.  What the hell are you doing?  Making choices for your grandson.  You cannot decide what is best for him.  YOU are not his mother.  Nor will you ever be HIS MOTHER.   He loves his mother and you cannot change that.  Just because you Hate your own daughter.  My God life is so short..................9 1/2 months give me a break.........and the last 30 years of hate.  9 1/2 months does not qualify you to take her son from her and hate your own daughter.............what the hell are you thinking woman.............I am so disgusted by you all.  Poor kid is all I can say.  God bless him for he will need someone on his side before this all ends........

 

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February 21, 2008, 4:09 pm PST

Family Court Battles

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SADLY anxious to see this show.

 

I shall give my UNPOPULAR personal opinion...

No woman can lead a fully normal, happy life when she is at war with her mother. There is something UNNATURAL about a mother/daughter not being bonded together. When the bond is broken or cracked, life for both the mother and daughter is not good. They may pretend it's good, but it's really not. Mothers and daughters, by nature and by God, were meant to be soulmates. They were meant to be close.

 

As for the show, how PATHETIC that two ADULTS have ALLOWED their lives to DETERIORATE to this and how PATHETIC that they've allowed an innocent child to suffer. And he IS suffering, regardless of what he says (or they say).

 

They are obviously BOTH selfish, cruel, immature, irresponsible and PATHETIC human beings!

SOULMATES!?! I wish. My mother was an alcholic AND mental. When she wasn't abusing alcohol, she was popping prescription drugs. Being her soulmate was not in the cards. She chose not to get well until it was too late. I never denied her seeing her grandkids and neither did any of my siblings, but I can tell you for a fact that she too made things up or very often skewed the facts. She was also good at being a victim. She also played favorites with her grandkids.

 

Rita obviously has major "issues" and I was very disappointed that Dr. Phil did not get better answers from her or pin her down on her blatent lies. The courts very often don't have all of the facts and don't bother to get them for whatever reasons. I pray for Koal. He is 13 and I think he is old enough to hear what is going on. He probably knows more than everyone thinks anyway.

 
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February 21, 2008, 4:12 pm PST

Call it What it Is,

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I am so tired of people labeling their behaviors as disorders.  The Lord calls them SIN.  It's time people started taking responsibility for our sin and repenting and asking forgiveness and forgiving people.

Does not matter if she is sick or not, the child is in Danger....As a women and as a devoted mother I am insulted that an illness should excuse this behavior . As women we want to be equal to men in every way, then we should be treated the same in cases of abuse. This women abused her own daughter and the son we'll never know, and now she wants to be alone with this child!!! I believe there are people that are just plain bad and believe this Women should be considered a repeat offender. She sucked the life out of her daughter as if she she was on a mission from some evil place. Her daughter still standing, testement of what a good mother she is for her children when they are in danger. I just feel so sorry for all the space this woman takes up in her mind, heart and soul, she was probably hoping for help today..Someone has to give her a break so she can renew herself. How cruel to be fighting this demon for 30 years, not fare...,

 
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February 21, 2008, 4:13 pm PST

Rita's "rights"

 What is wrong here? I heard about grandparents rights until I could get sick.  She is not even close to being a fit grandparent. A good grandparent would be talking about the needs of cole.  The needs of Cole do not include litigation to the point of bankrupting mom.  I heard nothing about love for Cole, her daughter, or  her other grandchildren. And towards the end, when she said cole is always welcome in her bed EEEEEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!    WHAT DOES SHE NOT UNDERSTAND ABOUT COLE WANTING NOTHING TO DO WITH HER!?!??  Then on the after the show, she said she will keep fighting.  Wow, she just is going to have to be right no matter what.  She offered no solutions to solve the situation.  I wish the best of luck to the parents, and peace for Cole. At 13, he should have his choice on this, and he does have a brain. As far as Rita goes, the most I can wish for her is she gets what she deserves!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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February 21, 2008, 4:19 pm PST

Toxic

Why does Rita only focus on the one grandchild? Kohl has siblings and Rita didn't go to court to see them. Both these women are annoying, petty and bitter. Unfortunately, their unhealthy relationship has become toxic to the entire family. Rita, back off. It appears Kohl has become some sort of sick obsession. And all the court battles...come on. Get over yourselves, stop seeing each other and move on. Rita, get a life...you are NOT wanted in your daughter's family. Respect your daughter's wishes and leave them alone until Lisa (or your ADULT grandchildren) wants to reconcile. You can fight until you're blue in the face and that will only cause heartache and damage to ALL your grandbabies. Once again, it’s all about you. You've already caused damage to Kohl, whether you know it or not. As a mother, mother-in-law and grandmother, if ANY of my children decided not to allow me in their lives, for valid reasons or not, I would back off-- NOT because I agree (and yes, it would brake my heart), but because I want my grandchildren to grow up happy and without any added stress or burdens. Grow up!!!!!

 

 
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February 21, 2008, 4:20 pm PST

Grandma is Dangerous

I would be VERY worried about allowing any child to be alone with this "grandma."  She may very well be a sociopath or at minimum a narcissist.  She only cares about herself and uses others as pawns, a means to an end.  She basically admitted as much at the end--Kole will solve all her relationship issues, he is the "key."  When anyone disagreed with her, they were "confused." Only she knows what is best for everyone in her twisted mind.  She has no boundaries.  She had sex with an 18 year old boy when she was a married 31 year old woman with children, and the boy was her daughter's boyfriend.  Now all these years later, she has room in her bed for her 13 year old grandson?, the son of that same daughter?  She is depraved.  No wonder the boy won't go to her house.  Sexual predators and pedophiles aren't always men.  Women can be just as sick. 
 
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February 21, 2008, 4:20 pm PST

AMEN

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Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I did NOT hear Rita say one word about loving her grandson. I did not hear her describe in any shape or form how being in her grandson's life would enrich his life in any way. All I heard was her "rights" and how she was fighting for her rights. She doesn't realize this, but in the end she will lose. She is going about this the wrong way. She is doing all of this for the wrong reasons. When you carry on the way she is, and for all the wrong reasons you will regret it in the end. I doubt she will ever have a good relationship with her grandson. She showed her true colors in the clip after the taping and I have to assume that comment was meant for DrP. I feel for the daughter and stepfather for having to deal with someone like Rita. One thing I will say about my parents and in-laws, no matter what else they were, they were wonderful grandparents and they cherished thier grandchildren and my kids thought they all hung the moon. Rita will never have this with her grandchildren. You just wait and see, Rita, you will regret this in the end.

AMEN!!!!!!!! Rita is just worried about her rights. NOBODY is thinking about Cole. Just let him decide. He is old enough. What about the other grandkids? If Rita was any kind of grandmother she would want to see all the kids not just Cole. I wanted to come through that TV and just ring her neck. She was lieng about everything and did no wrong and took no blame for anything right down to the end. You notice Dr. Phil didn't offer them any help. He knows they are way beyond help. You are right Rita did not say one word about loving Cole. Love was never brought up by anyone not even his mother. He said on the video that he didn't want to see Rita so why does she make him. Why would you make a child see someone like that if they didn't want to, especially at that age. Take a hint RITA...... She is just digging her own grave. Cole will never want to see her, even when he grows up. It seems to me that Rita just likes to stir things up and cause trouble and spend our tax dollars on her stupid court crap. Where was the other daughter and Rita's husband? They weren't on the show. Her son Shon was the only person that came in her definse. And it sounds like he is a big momma's boy which is ok but I think they were taking it a little too far with him sleeping with her until he was 15. What's up with that????  It all comes down to Rita wanting control and she doesn't care who she hurts along the way, even if it is Cole and that is really sad...... I really feel sorry for Cole....
 
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February 21, 2008, 4:22 pm PST

Family Court Battles

I think this is one of the most appalling shows I have seen.  No one seemed to be listening to Dr. Phil especially the “Grandmother”.  It is obvious that she isn’t going to give up or stop what she is doing.  She doesn’t care what it does to her grandson or his parents.  I find it so sad and appalling, what anguish within this family!  I wish that young boy and his parents the best and pray they will have some peace from all this turmoil.  

 
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February 21, 2008, 4:23 pm PST

Shame on you Dr. Phil

Dr. Phil, Did you not hear that child.  The one you said you were there for?  He said in no uncertian words that he DID NOT want to visit with his Grandmother.  It is obvious that this woman is out for control.  She dated her daughters boyfriend to show her power. She married him to throw him in her face and she is going after her child to continue to have control.  She in her own words said that "through Cole" other things could happen.  Yes, she will be in control by manipulating Cole and being able to see him there fore continue to be in the daughters life who clearly wants nothing to do with her.  She is holding on to the grandchild to get to her daughter.   SHAME SHAME SHAME ON YOU!!!!!!!!!!!   And the so called attorney you had there that obviously did not hear what was in the best intrest of the child or the childs wishes.  Does he not have a say?
 
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