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Created on : Thursday, February 14, 2008, 03:52:52 pm
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(Original Air Date: 02/21/08) Stalking allegations, surveillance cameras, restraining orders. This may sound like a television drama, but it's the life of a mother and daughter who have declared war on each other! Rita claims her daughter, Lisa, is alienating her from her 13-year-old grandson, Koal, and is brainwashing him to hate her. Lisa says Rita is crazy and is using Koal as a weapon to hurt her. Lisa's ex-husband, Koal's father, says his ex-mother-in-law is a habitual liar and control freak. Neither parent believes Koal should be forced to visit with Rita. Accusations fly when mother and daughter face off. With all the finger-pointing, who's telling the truth? Dr. Phil drills down on the issues. You won't believe what he thinks may be at the root of this problem. Then, with seven lawsuits filed, Lisa and Rita have visited the courthouse numerous times. Rita won her grandparent's rights to visit with Koal, and she says she will stop at nothing until Lisa allows her to see her grandson. Plus, hear from the 13-year-old boy who's caught in the middle of this nasty family feud. His comments may shock you. And attorney Gloria Allred sheds light on who has what rights in this case. Can this family arrange a plan for peace? Join the discussion.

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February 21, 2008, 8:43 pm PST

Narcissistic Personality Disorder

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Borderline Personality Disorder (BPD) is a psychological disorder characterized by pervasive instability in self-image, behavior, moods, and interpersonal relationships.  This instability often disrupts family and work life, long-term planning, and the individual's sense of self-identity. 

 

While less known than schizophrenia or bipolar disorder (manic-depressive illness), BPD is more common, affecting 2% of adults (1-33), mostly females.  Some of my favorite books that provide a great introduction and insight are:

 

  

Why Is It Always About You?  The Seven Deadly Sins of Narcissism by Sandy Hotchkiss AND Emotional Blackmail:  When the People in Your Life Use Fear, Obligation and Guilt to Manipulate You by Susan Forward

 

Get Me Out of Here:  My Recovery from Borderline Personality Disorder by Rachel Reiland OR Girl Interrupted by Susanna Kaysen OR Stop Walking on Eggshells:  Taking Your Life Back...by Paul Mason and Randi Kreger

 

Understanding the Borderline (Parent) Mother:  Helping Her Children Transcend the Intense, Unpredictable and Volatile Relationship by Christine Ann Lawson OR Surviving a Borderline Parent:  How to Heal Your Childhood Wounds & Build Trust, Boundaries and Self-Esteem by Kimberlee Roth and Freda Friedman

 

Divorce Poison:  Protecting the Parent-Child Bond from a Vindictive Ex by Richard Warshak OR High Conflict People in Legal Disputes by Bill Eddy

 

How to Journal for Therapy:

http://arar.essortment.com/therapyjournali_repu.htm 

 

Healing Anxiety and Depression (7 types of anxiety and depression) by Daniel Amen and Lisa Routh OR Getting Help:  The Complete and Authoritative Guide to Self-Assessment and Treatment of Mental Health Problems by Jeffrey Wood

 

 

Some of the story is typical:  feelings of insecurity contributing to destructive behaviors such as promiscuity, manipulations, self-abuse, rage attacks, revenge, addictions, and eating disorders.  The extreme behaviors of BPD constitute the high drama in the stories of those who endure its ravages.

 

Hope it helps!

 

 Please also consider reading about Narcissistic Personality Disorder.  Traits include:

lack of empathy
grandiose behavior
feeling of entitlement
belief that your children (particularly of the same gender) are nothing but an extention of yourself
will target one or more children (usually of own gender) for specifice abuse and coddle children of other gender.
absolute authoritarian behavior
public veneer of charm and vanity  - everyone else must be "confused" when your lies are caught out
pathological lying
rewriting of the past - which the narcissist turns to absolute truth in their own mind

Excellent book:   "When you and your mother can't be friends" by Victoria Secunda.

All research seems to indicate that the only way out is to literally get as far away from the narcissist as possible. The narcissist is unable to recognise anything wrong with his/her behavior and therefore sees no reason to change it.
 
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February 21, 2008, 8:44 pm PST

VERY GOOD

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 That Gloria said Cole wanted a relationship with Rita. Did she see Cole's video? I didn't see that at all. He wanted Rita to leave them alone and he didn't even want to stay with her. Rita says she's looking out for Cole's best interest but if she were, she'd honor what Cole wanted to do.

She's a bitter vindictive pathological liar of a woman who obviously is all about her own agenda. I've seen her kind. I'm dealing with a nutty grandparent now.

Mom.....move to the other side of the country. She is toxic and will only continue to drive a wedge between the family members.
I thought to myself "Well, Gloria just woke up from a nap.." Clearly she was not paying attention.
 
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February 21, 2008, 8:47 pm PST

No Relationship

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After seeing the show today I had to write about our story of grandparent rights.  I think that the grandmother had every right to see her grandson because she had a relationship with him.  The daughter was overreacting, possibly even lying and she did not have the best interests of the child at heart. The biological father was siding with the mother so she wouldn't interfere with his rights.  Her current husband should have had NO input into the situation.  Our daughter and granddaughter lived with us for about 12 years. Our daughter got married, moved out, and had a baby.  After the baby was born her husband left her and filed for divorce.  We cared for both children when our daughter went back to work.  They reconciled and separated three times and our daughter decided that she just couldn't live alone so she welcomed him back with open arms despite his history of domestic violence, inability to work due to a traumatic head injury, noncompliance with his medication regime for paranoia and schizophrenia, and strong family history of sexual abuse.  I witnessed him physically assult her and then he attacked me when I called the police.  My daughter fled the scene with him and the children and later told the police that I was crazy and fabricated the entire incident.  She filed a restraining against us but it was not ordered by the court, but she refused to allow us to see the children.  I have a restraining order in place against the husband.  We had to file for grandparent rights for visitation with our granddaughter.  We had been her primary care givers since her birth since our daughter was always too busy with her job or school or her friends.  We were devestated that for 6 months we had no contact with our granddaughter who had spent the majority of her life with us.  We were granted every Wednesday 4:30 to 7:30 and two Saturdays a month from 9-2.  It took 3 or 4 visits before she was even comfortable being with us and allowed us to give her a hug and a kiss.  It was obvious that her mother had filled her head with lies about us.  We have no relationship with our daughter she even addressed us as Mr. & Mrs. to the court, instead of as her parents.  We cannot see the baby because her husband will not allow us to see him or even have a picture of him.  It is very upsetting to have a daughter who thinks that her children should not have a relationship with their grandparents.  Grandparents have so much to offer grandchildren and it is really unfortunate that some children do not understand the relationship between a grandchild and grandparents.  I don't know when or if we will ever reconcile with our daughter.

Rita had a relationship with Koal for maybe 2 years....she hasnt seen him since other than the visitation.
 
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February 21, 2008, 8:48 pm PST

Help them Dr. Phil

THIS IS FOR DR. PHIL

 

You really need to help this family. It is quite obvious that Rita is abusing the court system, her family, especially Koal. It is sick that she is with a man that went to high school with her daughter. There are some things seriouly wrong with that woman. I believe in grandparents rights in some situations, but she has a history of family problems. Rita is a professional liar and has an agenda to be right. If you really loved a grandchild so much that you would to go to court just so you could see him, you would think you might at least like your other grandchildren enough to send them cards, gifts or time. She is not in court for her grandchild, she is there for herself!

 
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February 21, 2008, 9:04 pm PST

Yikes

That Rita lady on today's show seemed like a nutbag plain and simple. She seemed heck bent on running everyone's lives. She seemed like a manipulative person.
 
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February 21, 2008, 9:07 pm PST

you have to be a mother first

 I feel so sad for the daughter and the mother. I have a great relationship with my parents and they are the greatest grandparents.  The difference is that my mother remembers that she is my mother.  There is no need for any control or discussion of rights, because my parents respect me as the mother of their grandchildren.  I get a lot of advice from them, but it is a respectful discussion.  Rita does not know the meaning of respect.  She raised her daughter.  How can she complain that her daughter does not respect her?  We teach our children to respect us by respecting them.  Staying away from their peers in romantic relationships is a good start.  Yes, every teenager goes through times where they needed to be reminded that respect is the order of the day, but the respect your adult children show you is often created early in life.
 
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February 21, 2008, 9:15 pm PST

listening skills lacking

Todays show was a hair puller because the family members kept  justifing, therefore, dividing the issues more.  Koal  appears to have to remain in the crossfire.  After listening to Koal's tape, it appears the court failed to get the dense dysfuction going on or the grandma would not be able to see him until things are better.  Attorney Gloria  A. said the court wants what is best  for the child.  That did not happen.  She did not seem to add anything that you  havent pointed out nor did she seem to listen closely to the boy's tape. Thanks
 
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February 21, 2008, 9:26 pm PST

My Prayers are with you Lisa

My mother died of cancer a few years ago. I miss her terribly and she was a wonderful person, support and friend.  I felt sad for Lisa after watching the show.  I realize grandparents have rights, but so do parents. I think if the child does not want to see the grandmother, the situation makes him sad that the grandmother after watching that would back off if she was really interested in the best situation for her grandson and daughter. Love is a choice and you cannot infringe that upon another person. If Rita continues to force her grandson to visit her, I will guarantee you that her grandson will hate her and it could cause damage to his well being.  All the adults except Rita and the son who is living with her, believe this is not a good situation.  All I know is that you reap what you sow. Lisa might want to look into emancipation of her son early, so you can live in peace as a family, which  you all deserve. It is really to bad that Rita would not consider the parent's wishes and try to reconcile and have a positive relationship. This looks like a tremendous stress on everyone involved which only brings destruction. I really feel for you Lisa, you seem like a really nice person and a good mother. I was surprised that your mother showed no emotion or compassion when you were crying about your son or bend at all after that. I will definately be praying for you and dont give up, no matter what the situation, your son will be 18 in a few years.
 
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February 21, 2008, 9:26 pm PST

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I am so tired of people labeling their behaviors as disorders.  The Lord calls them SIN.  It's time people started taking responsibility for our sin and repenting and asking forgiveness and forgiving people.
 The labels used by psychologists are used to help understand groupings of behaviors that tend to coincide.  The label helps us to understand what is going on.  You are right, it is not an excuse for bad behavior.  My ex is BPD and it took me many years and a degree in psychology to get what happened and why he continues to act the way he does.  I still think that he is a jerk, but BPD's are so skilled a muddying the waters.  I was left going back and back over things wondering why things happened and why his perception of things was so different than everyone elses.  The label helped me to say OK that is what was going on and I can deal with him in a way that does not stress me out, so I can raise the children he only visits twice per year.  Also, if he should ever get to the point that he realizes that he makes a disaster of every relationship he engages in, a therapist has a road map to help him take responsibility and change his behaviors so others responses will change.  I am not holding my breath, but who knows.
 
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February 21, 2008, 9:45 pm PST

Lisa Needs to be a Hero

This is a terrible, terrible tragedy for all involved.  Rita is going to prevail, not that I think she should.  One way or another Koal is going to continue being involved in this adult issue, and shame on everybody for having contributed in one way or another to this awful mess.  Lisa would do well to let go of what happened to her at age 14.  Yes, it's a terrible betrayal of her trust by Rita, but Lisa's a grown woman now with a husband.  Letting go would release some of the tension that exists between these women, and allow a clearer view of the situation concerning Koal.  Somebody has to rise above this situation and be the mature adult, recognizing that to lose a power struggle is not the end of the world.  As for Koal who will be forced to have visitation with Rita, he needs some professional counseling so he can cope with Rita and her control issues.   I hope that Lisa can let go of her  betrayal by Rita, and be the mature adult in this situation, because Rita seems incapable of change.  Dr. Phil always counsels that someone needs to be a hero in a fraught situation, and in this case I believe it is Lisa who needs to take the wind out of Rita's sails by coming to terms with Rita's selfishness and immaturity.
 
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