Topic : 06/05 Family Court Battles

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(Original Air Date: 02/21/08) Stalking allegations, surveillance cameras, restraining orders. This may sound like a television drama, but it's the life of a mother and daughter who have declared war on each other! Rita claims her daughter, Lisa, is alienating her from her 13-year-old grandson, Koal, and is brainwashing him to hate her. Lisa says Rita is crazy and is using Koal as a weapon to hurt her. Lisa's ex-husband, Koal's father, says his ex-mother-in-law is a habitual liar and control freak. Neither parent believes Koal should be forced to visit with Rita. Accusations fly when mother and daughter face off. With all the finger-pointing, who's telling the truth? Dr. Phil drills down on the issues. You won't believe what he thinks may be at the root of this problem. Then, with seven lawsuits filed, Lisa and Rita have visited the courthouse numerous times. Rita won her grandparent's rights to visit with Koal, and she says she will stop at nothing until Lisa allows her to see her grandson. Plus, hear from the 13-year-old boy who's caught in the middle of this nasty family feud. His comments may shock you. And attorney Gloria Allred sheds light on who has what rights in this case. Can this family arrange a plan for peace? Join the discussion.

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February 25, 2008, 5:47 am PST

My heart and prayyers go out to you!

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 Marlene,

I can empathize with you.  I also need prayers.  My daughter, whom I was very close to, passed away 5 yrs ago.  My Son-in-Law has been depressed, and very unstable since her death.  He has not worked,  lost everything and has a lot of built up anger.  He has refused to let anyone in my family visit with the boys for the last 4 yrs, except when he needed help.  Then he called me and asked for groceries and a place to stay.  Because of his unstability, he suddenly left with the children to stay in a motel, until his brother took him in.  Shortly thereafter he filed an EPO against him and left for a homeless shelter.  He has kept the boys out of school for extended periods of time, refused to let them have cards, letters, or gifts from any of us. 

This situation has been devastating.  I have spent  $8,000 in the court system fighting his Emergency Protective Orders, and other claims he has filed in the court system, and trying to get the right to see my grandsons.  Kentucky has no "Grandparents Rights" and the battle was almost futile.

The youngest boy was born after my daughter was diagnosed with Leukemia and my ex-husband and I practically raised him for 7 yrs.  We were very close and had great love for each other.  We are the only family the boys have and I feel it was devastating for them to loose their Mother and then their grandparents, cousin, aunt and Great Grandmother.  I believe it is in the childrens best interest to have a solid family, especially when they suffer a great loss.  Their other Grandmother moved to Florida (we're in Kentucky) soon after my daughter's death.  Because all the stress was affecting my health, I was advised to just let it go and some day my Grandsons will return to me.  I have pretty much detached, but at times miss all of them terribly.

Now I pray daily for the safekeeping of my grandsons and that their Father will get the help he needs.  Because of the love we gave the boys in their early years, I am sure they will someday know the truth and return to our family.  I also intent to fight for Grandparents' Rights in Kentucky when my health improves.
The children need some stability in their life and our family could help achieve this.  They are 11 and 15.  They have suffered so much loss.  I fear they are growing up with anger and will have difficult teen years. 

God Bless you and give you Peace
Edie

Edie,

 

Thank you so much for your lovely and touching message.  I AM SO SORRY TO HEAR ABOUT YOUR SITUATION WITH YOUR GRANDCHILDREN.  How in the world did he get an EPO against you when you were the only stabilizing force in the children’s lives?  What was wrong with that Judge???

 

Usually once a child dies their parents DO have rights to see the grandchildren, however, since her husband is in such a horrible state emotionally, I cannot understand why the Court would not grant you some type of right to at least visit with them, especially since you raised your grandson for 7 years.  Kentucky seems to be worse than Pennsylvania that way.  At least here in Pennsylvania, if a child dies or is incarcerated the grandparent CAN get rights to visit, just not as long as both natural parents are alive and just say that they don’t want you to see the kids. 

 

I think this is so backwards.  As Dr. Phil says, there is no purer love than a grandparents love.  Granted, the woman (Rita) on the show clearly did have problems of her own, but I know that I have abided by ever request my daughter has made and stuck to every boundary she has set.  It is just her anger at me that is causing this – and the anger goes back 20 years.  She just refuses to get help.  I only wish she had agreed to be on the Show on Thursday, but she came up with a number of excuses to the producer, including that her husband couldn’t be on the show because of his job (well they could have disguised him as they have done before).  My daughter, unfortunately, has been offered help through various sources and just keeps refusing it.  AND SHE IS THE ONE WHO ORIGINALLY ASKED ME TO WRITE IN TO DR. PHIL.  Now she is blaming me for having them contact her.  This is how sick she is.  No matter what, everything is “my fault”.  I pray for her all the time that she finds some peace.

 

I will keep you and your grandchildren in my prayers and hopefully some day soon things will turn around for you.  You can check out my diaries in the “Shared Diary Section” – Titled:  I Know Life Isn’t Fair.....but HELP STOP THIS FAMILY FEUD”.  I have hidden my diary entries since September when I first started writing, but the new diary I started will continue to have some discussion of my depression of not seeing the children and being worried about their welfare.

 

I truly am sorry for you and wish there was something that I could do to help you out, as I’m sure many do.  But I will add you to my prayers and keep up with your writings and entries as much as possible.  I’m on the Dr. Phil Site usually every day.

 

God bless you and your family, and thank you so much for taking the time to write me.

Marlene
 
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February 25, 2008, 8:47 am PST

The way I see it....

Quote From: justtrish

You can't "steal" anyone from anyone else.  People aren't property and you can't dictate what they feel. 

 

So, if the so-called-boyfriend decided to have a relationship with someone else, whoever it was, then it stands to reason that the relationship he was leaving wasn't permanent.

 

Lisa needs to get over this.  Obviously she moved on and married not one, but two, other men.  What are the odds that you're going to end up with someone you liked when you're 14?  About as low as they can get.

 

Rita KNEW what she was doing when she decided to date a BOY that her daughter was interested in.  She could control that, it was an intentional slap in the face to her daughter!  Rita was already MARRIED to Lisa's father, which was a double sting.  Face it,  Rita is a controlling byotch!

 

Rita could also control FILING the lawsuits in the first place- She knew perfectly well that it would ruin her daughters finances. She just flat out didn't care about Lisa or even Koal (who she fought so hard to see in the 1st place), or the rest of her grandkids living under a bridge, as long as SHE won. 

 

Rita doesn't care who she hurts as long as she's in control.  I had a grandmother from hell, too.  I never wanted to have a relationship with her,b/c everytime I saw her coming, I thought to myself  "what does she want from me now?"   The courts should not force a relationship with an abusive grandparent, and they should not have rights to the grandchildren (priveleges,yet, RIGHTS, no).

 
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February 25, 2008, 12:57 pm PST

Deja Vu

This is a big issue for me. I know EXACTLY what this boy is going through...i'm 21 now but it seems like not too long ago, i was in the same situation. I was 13 and my grandma claimed she wanted that "bonding" experience with me...but it wasnt what I wanted. That's what people need to realize with this boy. He's not "little", & he isn't a "child" any longer. He is a teenager, and obviously he can think for himself, and he knows what he wants. So why is it that the court system is dictating his life? If he wants to go see his grandma, he should freely be able to make that choice. If he doesn't, then he just doesn't. I went through pain, and so many tears because I was in and out of court systems, that were telling me I was "too young to know what I wanted". That's not true at all. And this can mess up this boys life. Everyone needs to take a step back, and let him decide on what he wants to do. It's not about the adults being happy, it's about him. If he isn't happy where he's at, why would you want him to be there? ...sad really.
 
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February 25, 2008, 5:16 pm PST

I'm so sorry

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This is a big issue for me. I know EXACTLY what this boy is going through...i'm 21 now but it seems like not too long ago, i was in the same situation. I was 13 and my grandma claimed she wanted that "bonding" experience with me...but it wasnt what I wanted. That's what people need to realize with this boy. He's not "little", & he isn't a "child" any longer. He is a teenager, and obviously he can think for himself, and he knows what he wants. So why is it that the court system is dictating his life? If he wants to go see his grandma, he should freely be able to make that choice. If he doesn't, then he just doesn't. I went through pain, and so many tears because I was in and out of court systems, that were telling me I was "too young to know what I wanted". That's not true at all. And this can mess up this boys life. Everyone needs to take a step back, and let him decide on what he wants to do. It's not about the adults being happy, it's about him. If he isn't happy where he's at, why would you want him to be there? ...sad really.

I'm sorry you had to go through such an adult issue as a child, and your right cole who was on the show should not have to face this issue either. It's like we live in the Hitler  times and the goverment tells good parents how to raise there children.

 

I think Dr.phil should address  the issues with the parents and stepfather,  without big mouth Rita. Dr.PHil help get this family an attorney, maybe one out there will volunteer some time to help. This young man should have some rights.

 

A child group or agency that protect the rights of children should step in and help. Dr. Phil don't let this just go, what will you do to help the boy? There is a boy here being hurt and I know Dr.PHil see's this woman has some real mental problems or maybe she doesn't and she just likes to hurt people. I seen no love her eyes just pure coldness, what is wrong with this court system this child has been dragged through.

Grandparents rights are for real grandparents and you don't say I want one grandchild and forget the rest!

What if someone did this to one of Dr.Phil children and his grandkids, if I was the mother I would keep contacting the media until someone stepped up to the plate. GO MO Go DAD Go Stepdad, the grandma needs to think about Cole and not herself.

I think someone should print out the message board comments and send it to the judge with a tape of the show, most say CRAZY Grandma. And Rita if your reading this get some help and maybe some of your relatives may forgive you.

 
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February 25, 2008, 5:33 pm PST

On the money

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I wouldn't let that grandmother ANYWHERE near my pet,never mind my child ! Dr. Phil , I am disappointed you did not come down harder on the grandmother .She may live in one of the few states that recognize "grandparents rights" but in reality she has NO rights to that child !She is causing nothing but turmoil and heartache for him!

                  If I was that mother and stepfather I would move as far away as possible from the witch and not look back!The only one who would know the new location would be Coles  bio-dad!

I agree but I'm sure the grandma would have them arrested for breaking the order. She don't care about the boy or his mother only herself. I can't image having lossing everything due to my mothers actions, if the family has nothing then the children have nothing.

 

Dr. Phil are you going to do anything for this family? They need legal advise, I'm sure attorney's watch the show don't any of them want to help this little boy. Without an attorney they won't end this thing. An attorney should request Rita have a psychological evalvation and soon.

 

Dr. Phil what about agencies for childrens rights or getting the boy an attorney, you must know someone. you give help all the time but not this family or the boy, why? This boy needs his own attorney that will make this go away, a really mean one.

I think Rita has much more in her closet and i think she slanders anyone who won't do exactly what she says, Rita's puppy as the father said I think.

Drphil Drphil Drphil. you know a liar when you see one, help resolve there present and the future will be great. Please from a loyal viewer. If the mother is reading these, Cole is a fighter like you and no wicked grandma can pull you apart, don't let her control your life that's what she wants. She looked mean and on a war path to getting her own way.

 
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February 25, 2008, 5:55 pm PST

I know the family

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  • I don't normally respond to post, but I just can't pass this one up without saying something! Being the Neighbor of this family, I would imagine that you have seen and heard things. But seeing things and being behind closed doors are totally different!
  • I don't know Lisa or Rita, but I can tell you that Rita came out looking evil on her own. I think you are misguided in your beliefs that Rita is innocent here. Did you see the show and hear all the lies that she was caught in? Did you see the disregard that she had for her own grandson's words? Rita is putting Rita first, not her grandson, daughter or even the rest of her family because of what her actions are putting them through.
  • AND, if the boys ran the neighborhood that bad, (when Lisa and her boys lived with Rita), if Rita is SO GOOD, why didn't she control it? My parents would tie a knot in my kids tail if they ever acted out of line in their neighborhood! Did you ever think that maybe Lisa was dealing with depression problems from having to live back at home with her mother again and her hard times that put her there? You seem to have been a witness when Lisa lived with Rita, but do you know anything other than Rita's side of things since Lisa moved out? Maybe Lisa's depression during that time took over and maybe she has changed since she got her life back on track.
  • Unfortunately, we all have kids in our communities, just like the boys you are describing. It irritates me to no end that parents allow their children to have the run of the neighborhoods, with total disregard to anyone around. But your words have made me look twice at the neighborhood children that are allowed to run around like that. Maybe their home life is lacking, just like what Rita provided for her kids and then it continues on through the next generation. Maybe instead of judging these children, we should stop and ask them how they are doing, offer them a soda/snack instead of treating them as if there is something wrong with them. They are a product of their environment that they had no choice but to be born into, just like their parents had no choice about the life they had to live! Maybe instead of bashing them, try that act of kindness towards them, it could help them see how kindness pays off and maybe, just maybe, your act of kindness can inspire them to change for the next generation. Maybe it can open up a line of communication and you can help teach them from that.
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  • It seems obvious to me after reading all the post here, that Rita has many family members that believe she is as evil as what we witnessed on the show. If this is what other family members witnessed, I can only imagine the scars that Lisa has to over come on a daily basis!

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The lady who writes about Lisa's kids running the neighbor is a complete liar, and you know liar's stick together, maybe that's why she liked Rita. I know the family from sports events and drive by there home offen to see a friend in that area.

Lisa is the only mom I EVER see out in the middle of the street playing baseball with her kids and even pitching. I can drive by leaving my friends house an hour later and there's Lisa running the bases.

Lisa truly loves her children from what I have witnessed, I recently spoke with Lisa about the show and wanted to tell her that everyone I had talked to support her, so I took that moment to reach out to her and I seen the pain in her face.

I also had seen this posting and so I asked her, nosey me, "on the show Rita said something about you all living together"

and this is what she said:

 

What Lisa told me is she lived with  Rita the end of 1995 for less then one year and only had Cole, her others kids were not born yet. She also said she was rarely home and that it didn't work out, so Rita kicked her and cole out.

I can tell you Lisa's children do no run the neighborhood and when I see all the kids there playing with many neighborhood kids and not after dark.

I don't know Lisa that well but I see her at baseball, football with her boys and she is the loudest yelling "that's my boy" it really hurts my heart that this lovely family is being destroy like this and why?

 

I hope Dr.phil will help this family and the neighbor or who ever posted that nasty lie about Lisa and her children should be ashame of herself.  Neighbor you bought yourself down to Rita level, maybe you should call Rita and leave your children with her. Butt OUT neighbor and maybe you have your own kids to care for and quit causing trouble for others.

I also heard mention of the family car, my understanding is they used they home equity for lawyer fee's, the family has 3 children to taxi around it's seems to me your really bored or really nosey.

 

 

 

 

 
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February 25, 2008, 7:06 pm PST

Topic : 02/21 Family Court Battles

Quote From: saemae

Being a grandma gives you no right to be hateful or vindictive.  That woman has a screw loose.  she is lying and if the cops have any part of this, they need to keep that crazy old bat far, FAR away from Lisa and her son.  The problem is she has severe mental issues, because she believes every filthy lie that comes out of her mouth.  My ex mother-in-law is the exact same woman.  They both have built their role as the pathetic victim up in their own minds when the truth is they are the perpetrators.  If that woman had any love for her grandchild, she would get a life and leave them the heck alone!  And try a little therapy while you're at it!  You need serious help!
I thought the mother-in-law truly over stepped  boundaries.   In my opinion the mother-in-law is a

narcissist, in that she has no regard for other people's feelings.  A narcissist, is too self centered to care about anyone but themselves they are incapable of successfully having meaningful relationships with anyone (including thier own children).  I was so hoping that Dr. Phil would have picked-up on this because this disorder is real for many people and the poor souls that are in the path of a narcissist will spend the rest of their lives being perplexed by these totally unreasonable people, until they are able to label these people and begin to understandy why they do the insane things that they do.  It is not until that knowledge and understanding is obtained that the healing can truly begin. 

 

Look up Narcissistic  Personality Disorder, there are several books on it also you can find info on the internet.  

 
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February 25, 2008, 8:41 pm PST

All grandparents are not good

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What are you two trying to do? Niehter one of yous are going to win in the end . When that child grows up he is going to be far away from both of yous. I am a Grandmother with 12 grandchildern and some of those grandkids I do not see hardly at all for one reason or another but I let it be because I know they will come to me with they grow up and thats ok if God lets me live that long. Life is a gift that God gives you and its aprecious time  we do not need to be using the time we have to be fighting. I love my kids and my grandchildern and thats why I choose to go the route that i have. No one can take the love I have in my heart away from me. Shame on you both for what you are doing to your familys and yourselfs. Court can not settle things betwen yous only you two can. You have to find it in your heart to do this . Mom you have a daughter and girl you only have aMother once.

I'm a dad and I have two kids, did you see the show? I watched with my wife and couldn't believe what I was hearing. This Rita has major problems with many family members. She even called her grandson Cole a liar, he looked truthful to me.

This Rita levy bank account and drove her daughter into bankruptcy, tells people she mental and a drug addict, the brother Sean calls the sister Bitc***** and has anyone questioned why the step grandfather was not there? This supposed grandma Rita even said something about having her grandson in her bed?

It's sound like this mom is doing everything she can to keep her family away from this so called grandma. In this case dad and stepdad plus mom say the same thing, grandma is not good for Cole.

Let it Go!!!!!! and then what, her own mother slanders her and the end of the show comment, OH Hellllllll No. Not all people are good because they are mothers, dad's or grandma's.

Shame on the mother Lisa, are your crazy, no one talks to this grandma and why. Grandma blames everything on the daughter. I think mom and Cole would be best as far away from this grandma as possible. Forgive Forgive Forgive this family has started over twice accorrding to show, NO WAY family fight this and fight hard with everything you got, if everyone out there can't see this grandma is a big fat liar then you are not a good judge of chacter, speaking of Judges, what is the Hellllllllllll is wrong with this Judge? This law sucks and I would hate my parents if they ever did this to my family and I hope this so called grandma gets the same treatment from everyone she has screwed.  

 
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February 25, 2008, 9:02 pm PST

Don't mess with someone baby

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 Now just a question,
Why do grandparents have "Right" to their grandchildren ?  Isn't and shouldn't it be up to a child's PARENTS who a child has contact with ?
In some cases the children are much better off, remember Saving Grace, WITHOUT them, in some cases its wrong to keep them away (like petty bickering.)
And at thirteen, isn't he old enough to CHOOSE whether or not he wants to see Grandma ?
I'm guessing the poor kid just wants these so called adults to GROW THE HELL UP.
Well wait and see I guess, this one should be interesting, but I will bet the boy will be acting more mature than any of the adults.

The mother is protecting her boy, who knows what lies this grandmother told the court to get her way. Look on stage for less then one hour and she told one lie after another, Narcissist.

This lady is a real mother doing what she has to do at any cost, her son did get to tell the world how he felt

Dr.Phil could help this mother out if he really cares about the boy.

 

I would guess if this was to end tomorrow this mother in one year would be happy, back on her feet and living life as she should. This mother wants to control her daughter and she is willing to beat the up to do that, she don't love that boy or she would stop pounding her daughter into the mud. If she hates the daughter she hates the grandson.

 

If a mother fights for her boy then she is not an adult? I seen all three parents fighting, just the grandma wouldn't shut up and let anyone else speak even Dr. Phil.

 

Dr. Phil save this boy and keep him out of grandmas bed, did anyone else hear that?

 

The courts have gone to far and grandma has tooooooooo

 
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February 25, 2008, 10:13 pm PST

02/21 Family Court Battles

Quote From: justtrish

You can't "steal" anyone from anyone else.  People aren't property and you can't dictate what they feel. 

 

So, if the so-called-boyfriend decided to have a relationship with someone else, whoever it was, then it stands to reason that the relationship he was leaving wasn't permanent.

 

Lisa needs to get over this.  Obviously she moved on and married not one, but two, other men.  What are the odds that you're going to end up with someone you liked when you're 14?  About as low as they can get.

when I said steal I was meaning that the woman didn't want her daughter with him because she obvisously had the hots for the guy. What she did to her daughter and her daughter's father was immoral as well as unforgivable.
 

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