Topic : 06/05 Family Court Battles

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(Original Air Date: 02/21/08) Stalking allegations, surveillance cameras, restraining orders. This may sound like a television drama, but it's the life of a mother and daughter who have declared war on each other! Rita claims her daughter, Lisa, is alienating her from her 13-year-old grandson, Koal, and is brainwashing him to hate her. Lisa says Rita is crazy and is using Koal as a weapon to hurt her. Lisa's ex-husband, Koal's father, says his ex-mother-in-law is a habitual liar and control freak. Neither parent believes Koal should be forced to visit with Rita. Accusations fly when mother and daughter face off. With all the finger-pointing, who's telling the truth? Dr. Phil drills down on the issues. You won't believe what he thinks may be at the root of this problem. Then, with seven lawsuits filed, Lisa and Rita have visited the courthouse numerous times. Rita won her grandparent's rights to visit with Koal, and she says she will stop at nothing until Lisa allows her to see her grandson. Plus, hear from the 13-year-old boy who's caught in the middle of this nasty family feud. His comments may shock you. And attorney Gloria Allred sheds light on who has what rights in this case. Can this family arrange a plan for peace? Join the discussion.

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June 5, 2008, 6:40 am PDT

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as l sit here and watch tis show today, l cant beleieve what the grandma is doing..l am going thru the same thing right now. my mother in law called C.P.S (child protective services) on my wife and I because we where taking our daughter to a WWE( world Wrestling entertainment) event. l dont think its anybody business what we do with our daughter, as long as she is happy and well taken care of, that is all that matters. when the gentelman came from CPS, the only thing he told us was that someone called because my wife wasnt taken her meds, mold in the house and that we where going to a W.W.E event..well we knew who did it right away.. my wifes mom, well after a week went by she wouldnt return my wifes calls..then she ordered a PPO (Personal Protection Order) against me for a phone call l left her..after being married to her daughter for 11 years, she said she was afraid l would kill her...what a joke...all l need to say is people get real grandma..you are in the wrong!!!!!  I fell sorry for the parents. l feel for them.
 
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June 5, 2008, 7:44 am PDT

I'm sorry......

I'm sorry, but this grandmother is really a bitch from hell.  I never feel this way about people at all, but she is so self righteous and selfish.  She blames EVERYBODY for what they do wrong, but NEVER accepting any repsonsibility for her own actions.  She can stand her ground and assume all the things her daughter is telling her grandson, but she will not admit anything she said to anyone else.  She hasn't agreed to anything her daughter and grandson said that she said.  To me, if my grandmother told me something and I brought it to her attention later and she tells me that she never said that I wouldn't want to spend time with her either.  That just tells me that she's calling me a liar.  Rita IS a control freak and she won't admit it.  She's too busy blaming everone else for their mistakes and never taking responsibility for her own mistakes.......as if she's perfect.  I know how Koal feels.  My mom does the same thing to me.  My mom and dad is divorced and she puts me in the middle all the time.  "Ask your dad for this, ask your dad to do this...." I'm like "why don't you ask him yourself?"  My mom is also a control freak.  She tells me how to spend my money, how I should use my time, where I can and can't go. She's been doing that all my life and she tells me when I'm 18 I'm on my own, but I'm 35 and she still tries to control me.

 

Koal, being in the middle of all of this is hurting him.  All this fighting is leaving him a perfect example of how you want him to be when he grows up.  If that's not what you want then change your attitudes and deal with the fact that you're not only hurting each other.  You're hurting Koal too.

 

Grandma Rita needs to stop assuming everything.  If Koal says he doesn't want to be around you.....HE DOESN'T WANT TO BE AROUND YOU!!!  It's not because of what mommy and daddy said.  Even if it is what mommy and daddy said, if it's true he'll believe it.  And if he believes it you should listen.

 

Each person has their own personality, their own desires, their own dreams that they want to pursue.  Why do try to destroy other people's lives by controlling them thinking it's the best thing for them, but when you try to tell them something they will say that it's not the best thing for them.  Thell me....how do you know what's best for you but other people don't know what's best for them.  Controlling people need to put themselves out of other people's way.  You want to be controlling....control you cat or your dog. 

 
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June 5, 2008, 8:40 am PDT

are you crazy

First if anyone has ever watched Gloria Aldred, you will know she never knows what she is talking about. If she has a client and she knows that she is going to lose she pulls out of the case. She hasdone that on national tv.So I agree with what others have said, Dr. Phil she makes your show look bad. She suggest that this child wants to spend time with his grandmother, he said just the opposite. Oh, he is just a child and dose not know what he is saying. That is what this stupid lawyer is sayin. Isn't that sad. Rita needs to be in jail for being envolved with her husbad. He was to young to mess with when they first got together.That tells what kind of person she is. Of coures her daughter was upset. Rita is a mess and is sick to suggest that the child has a place in her bed. That shows that she and perhaps her husband need to be turned into social services. I am a social worker and it sends out red flags. She needs help. I don't know if anyone at the Dr Phil show reads these inputs from the public. If they do they to invesgate this woman, if  they really care about children like Dr Phil is always saying. We will see if he really is out to protect kids.This child is lucky that his mom, dad, and stepdad to help him. Stay strong.
 
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June 5, 2008, 8:46 am PDT

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I'm sorry, but this grandmother is really a bitch from hell.  I never feel this way about people at all, but she is so self righteous and selfish.  She blames EVERYBODY for what they do wrong, but NEVER accepting any repsonsibility for her own actions.  She can stand her ground and assume all the things her daughter is telling her grandson, but she will not admit anything she said to anyone else.  She hasn't agreed to anything her daughter and grandson said that she said.  To me, if my grandmother told me something and I brought it to her attention later and she tells me that she never said that I wouldn't want to spend time with her either.  That just tells me that she's calling me a liar.  Rita IS a control freak and she won't admit it.  She's too busy blaming everone else for their mistakes and never taking responsibility for her own mistakes.......as if she's perfect.  I know how Koal feels.  My mom does the same thing to me.  My mom and dad is divorced and she puts me in the middle all the time.  "Ask your dad for this, ask your dad to do this...." I'm like "why don't you ask him yourself?"  My mom is also a control freak.  She tells me how to spend my money, how I should use my time, where I can and can't go. She's been doing that all my life and she tells me when I'm 18 I'm on my own, but I'm 35 and she still tries to control me.

 

Koal, being in the middle of all of this is hurting him.  All this fighting is leaving him a perfect example of how you want him to be when he grows up.  If that's not what you want then change your attitudes and deal with the fact that you're not only hurting each other.  You're hurting Koal too.

 

Grandma Rita needs to stop assuming everything.  If Koal says he doesn't want to be around you.....HE DOESN'T WANT TO BE AROUND YOU!!!  It's not because of what mommy and daddy said.  Even if it is what mommy and daddy said, if it's true he'll believe it.  And if he believes it you should listen.

 

Each person has their own personality, their own desires, their own dreams that they want to pursue.  Why do try to destroy other people's lives by controlling them thinking it's the best thing for them, but when you try to tell them something they will say that it's not the best thing for them.  Thell me....how do you know what's best for you but other people don't know what's best for them.  Controlling people need to put themselves out of other people's way.  You want to be controlling....control you cat or your dog. 

You are so right. Let's see if the Dr, Phil show will help this family. He did not offer any help at all, like he normally dose. This is kinda of strange to me. I also, can't belive that he did not question Allred about her statment that the child wants to spend time with Rita, when he clearly said that he did not. Something is up with that. It is almost like he is cowing down on this one. I wonder why.
 
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June 5, 2008, 9:22 am PDT

HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM, BUT PUTTING THE CHILD FIRST

I have a 2 1/2 year old grandson who I haven't seen since Sept. (his birthday). We have 9 Christmas presents sitting in our living room waiting to see him. Our son is not divorced from his wife and says he is trying, but we don't think he really wants it. The reason for the separation is because of a problem with my son's oldest child. His wife says this child is mentally disturbed and had him sent to a luck down children's hospital, but the hospital found nothing wrong with the child except depression. They said it was "family dynamics" and ask that step mom leave until more counseling could be done. Mom went to one family counseling session and decided it was not for her. My grandson is still in counseling because of the "family dynamics", but Mom took my youngest grandson and went to her family's home town 2 1/2 hours away. She will not let my son bring the child to his house or our house or to McDonalds’ in her area without her. I want to go to her house, but my husband is angry with her and will not go near her. We could fight to see our grandchild, but after seeing him for his birthday, we feel that he is afraid of us. (Maybe because if his mother, we don’t know) But the fact remains that he was afraid of us for some reason and he wasn’t the last time we had seen him before the separation. If we force it, he could be traumatize by it. WE DON’T WANT TO HURT OUR GRANDCHILD, BUT WE DON’T KNOW WHAT ELSE WE COULD DO TO SEE HIM AND NOT TRAUMATIZE HIM. My son was kept from seeing his son for 5 months, but finally gave into his wife demands and got to see him. How do we fight her without hurting him?

 
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June 5, 2008, 11:11 am PDT

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THE DEPARTMENT OF HUMAN SERVICES / CHILD PROTECION SERVICES  HAVE ALL THE POWER OVER OUR CHILDREN.................YOURS, MINE, THEIRS AND ANY CHILD ANYWHERE! IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME THEN REMEMBER BACK TO ALL THOSE THEY TOOK FROM THE MOTHERS IN TEXAS!!!

 

THEY CAN COME IN TO ANY HOME ANYTIME THEY WANT AND TAKE YOUR CHILD REGARDLESS IF YOU ARE CATHOLIC, METHODIST, BAPTIST, LUTHERAN, SOUTHER BAPTIST, ENGLISH LUTHERAN, JEHOVAH'S WITNESS, MORMAN, ..........WHITE, BLACK, RED, BROWN,  .....................THEY HAVE ALL THE POWER OVER ALL OUR CHILDREN!!!!  YOU GOT IT???   GET IT!!

Jeezzz...chill OUT before you have a stroke!

 

The other side of that coin is that too often CPS doesn't have enough power or doesn't act fast enough to get children who are in danger out of abusive homes, with tragic results....so...what should  they do?

If they wait too long to investigate, children die.....if they act too quickly people get mad, but tough....better to err on the side of caution; there's a lot at stake.  CPS is damned if they do and damned if they don't. 

 

 By the way, in my opinion, I believe that the children in that Texas cult were justly removed until CPS found out what was going on. It was their obligation. And I still think they're right to keep an eye on those kids even after they are returned.........no matter how anyone from that cult tries to justify the pedophilia that's going on there "in the name of God", it's STILL pedophilia and still against all laws. Period.  Those women and children are brainwashed....watching them while all this was going on was like watching robots.....the kids don't know any better because they were born into that mess, but the women should, and should want to protect their kids!

 

What I'd personally love to say to those people is: Talk to the finger, cuz the hand's too good for ya!! 

 
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June 5, 2008, 11:51 am PDT

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I read all you had to say here and it sounds to me like you  have an "ego" problem to say the least! Everyone and eveybody does everything wrong with your husbands son (your stepson) but you! Your husbands ex is CRAZY just because she is bi-polar? Woman you need to get educated! Some of the most intelligent people have bi-polar disorder. Albert Einstein for one had bi-polar disorder and he was not crazy. You are one egotistical jealous woman and I think you need to get better informed and also i think Dr.Phil is a bit more educated  on these matters and he knows who is playing games.  Also, in some states , grandparents DO have rights and they well should have ,because if they didn't then some of these selfish inconsiderate kids that have been brought up thinking that the sun rises and sits on their butts only ,who uses the kids as pawns, would keep the grandparents from seeing them. Children NEED their grandparents too!

So now don't talk about others having an EGO when you do too!  Anyway, It really isn't your battle!

Let me just say that if you and your husband are in law enfrocement, then you should understand that i-polar people are not all crazy, which is what you are saying. Perhaps the fact that your stepson is 22 and you all still do not have anything with him says alot. If he wants to see you people he is certainly old enough to make that choice. Or  is he nuts to. Check your ego and what you are saying
 
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June 5, 2008, 12:58 pm PDT

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Very well put. Often a judge isn't aware of or hasn't been apart of the family dynamic that has brought the family to such odds to begin with. My MIL and I often do not see eye to eye but I know she loves my children and she is a great grandmother. I would never withhold someone that loves my child from them. The more people who love them in this life the better. I am adult enough to understand that as long as my children are safe physically and emotionally I don't necessarily have to love the same people they do. My family was quite dysfuntional growing up and I don't have a relationship with my sister as a result. My older son emails her and so far their relationship has been appropriate. I have no issues as long as it continues to be. I agree with you that hopefully this situation will work out.
 You have taken the high road -- if only this mother and grandmother could do the same!  Watching the show was so frustrating.  Obviously, we don't know everything there is to know, but I tended to lean towards the mother's side.  Granted, she's not totally an innocent bystander in this mess, but  this child caught in the middle is her son!  According to what Koal himself said, he doesn't even want to have a relationship with Rita -- and he shouldn't be forced to do so.  At his age, he is probably starting to pull back a bit from family anyway, as he tests the waters of becoming independent.  And I cannot imagine that Rita is any sort of a wonderful grandmother when she doesn't even seem to care whether she sees any of her other grandchildren!  Wonder how that makes Koal feel?
 
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June 5, 2008, 1:07 pm PDT

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You are so right. Let's see if the Dr, Phil show will help this family. He did not offer any help at all, like he normally dose. This is kinda of strange to me. I also, can't belive that he did not question Allred about her statment that the child wants to spend time with Rita, when he clearly said that he did not. Something is up with that. It is almost like he is cowing down on this one. I wonder why.
 I'm so glad you mentioned this!  I was also very surprised that Dr. Phil did not offer them help!!  If anybody out there needs some ongoing counseling, it's them!  And I picked right up on what Allred said -- why did he let that slip by without comment?  I'd love to hear the answers to these to issues from Dr. Phil himself!

 
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June 5, 2008, 1:09 pm PDT

Sue happy Rita

This grandmother needs to get a life.  I understand where Koal's mother is coming from.  Rita is obviously mentally unstable if she continues to put a 13 year old through this kind of craziness.  Who is she trying to punish anyway?  If this continues Koal is going to hate her, if he doesn't already.  Rita needs to keep out of her daughter's life and leave things alone.  Also Attorney Allred did get mixed up when she said Koal wanted to see his grandmother.  He stated in the tape that he doesn't want anything to do with her.  Rita is looney if her daughter and husband have to keep moving and changing their phone number and she still hunts them down.  Rita, who are you really punishing in all this?  You came across to me as nothing more than a vinditive, spiteful, lonely old woman who wants to have her own way all the time.  Well you know what?  Your daughter is grown, and married, she has children so BUTT OUT and leave them alone.
 

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