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Created on : Thursday, February 14, 2008, 03:52:52 pm
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(Original Air Date: 02/21/08) Stalking allegations, surveillance cameras, restraining orders. This may sound like a television drama, but it's the life of a mother and daughter who have declared war on each other! Rita claims her daughter, Lisa, is alienating her from her 13-year-old grandson, Koal, and is brainwashing him to hate her. Lisa says Rita is crazy and is using Koal as a weapon to hurt her. Lisa's ex-husband, Koal's father, says his ex-mother-in-law is a habitual liar and control freak. Neither parent believes Koal should be forced to visit with Rita. Accusations fly when mother and daughter face off. With all the finger-pointing, who's telling the truth? Dr. Phil drills down on the issues. You won't believe what he thinks may be at the root of this problem. Then, with seven lawsuits filed, Lisa and Rita have visited the courthouse numerous times. Rita won her grandparent's rights to visit with Koal, and she says she will stop at nothing until Lisa allows her to see her grandson. Plus, hear from the 13-year-old boy who's caught in the middle of this nasty family feud. His comments may shock you. And attorney Gloria Allred sheds light on who has what rights in this case. Can this family arrange a plan for peace? Join the discussion.

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June 5, 2008, 4:48 pm PDT

Mom and Dad Decide

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I think the only people that should have the right to make decisions abouth the childs best intrest should be the mother and the father! If neither want the child to have contact with the grandparents then that shouldn't be an issue for the courts or anybody else! The only time the grandparents should have that right is if both parents are deceased or if neither are fit take care for the child! Sometimes I believe the court system has more control over your child than the actual parents! I think the only time the courts should be involed is in custody  cases!

I completely agree with you!
 
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June 5, 2008, 4:51 pm PDT

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You are so right. Let's see if the Dr, Phil show will help this family. He did not offer any help at all, like he normally dose. This is kinda of strange to me. I also, can't belive that he did not question Allred about her statment that the child wants to spend time with Rita, when he clearly said that he did not. Something is up with that. It is almost like he is cowing down on this one. I wonder why.

The only reason Dr. Phil would not even offer them help must be because he knows "you know who" will never give up or benefit from it. I too expected Dr. Phil to comment on Allred's statement because I didn't hear anything of the sort come from the kid's mouth. Frankly, I was disappointed that he didn't at least set them both straight by running the clip again.  

 
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June 5, 2008, 4:54 pm PDT

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The only person that I feel sorry for is Koal. He is the one stuck in the middle of this mess. If he does not want to see his grandmother he should not be forced to.
 
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June 5, 2008, 5:04 pm PDT

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What are you talking about. Of course he knows what is going on. He is not a baby. He stated that he dose not want to see his grandmother. He loves his mother and she dose not have to tell him what is going on. When his mother has to go to court and she is upset and he knows, he is not stupid. Are you the type that would do this to your kids. If you belive this crazy grandmother you are as sick as she is. You need to know what kids are about. This is crazy. This poor family. They are suffering. You need to get a life.

Well of course he does not want to see his grandmother, he's been taught to hate her from his parents. I'm not in any way shape or form saying the grandmother is normal. In that case, neither is the daughter.

 

Me get a life?....and who said I believe the grandmother??????? I said the stupid arguing and fighting between all of them should stop. Do you like arguing?  It looks like you might because of this reply to my post which was just how I feel.   I'm sure there would have been a nicer way to reply to my post

 
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June 5, 2008, 5:07 pm PDT

Acting!!!

 Both mom and grandma seem to enjoy acting. Perhaps they should join their local theatre.

Grandma needs to relax so the kid can relax. It's hard enough to be a teenager without grandma suing the parents.

Back off grandma for a year or two. If you be quiet and quit causing trouble for awhile, you might be invited back.
 
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June 5, 2008, 5:08 pm PDT

Something wrong with this Grandmother

 First of all, how inappropiate was it to show any interest in a boy that is only a few years older than your daughter and to top it off someone your daughter has feelings for.  That shows right from the start that this woman cares more about herself than her kids...and now her grandkids.  Of course Koal doesn't want anything to do with her...she is making the people he loves the most, his parents and step-father, miserable.  The smart thing would be for her to back off and try to make things right peacefully, but instead, this women who has clearly shown in the past that she doesn't care about her children's feelings, SUES them!  This boy is 13 almost 14...not some 6 or 7 year old who doesn't know what he really wants.  He has said to her to GO AWAY!  She should do as he wishes and she would if she really loves him...but she loves herself more.  And why would Dr. Phil ruin a perfectly good show by bringing on that ambulance chasing media hound Gloira Alreed!  She says that "clearly" the boy wants a relationship with the grandmother?...hello, did she not hear Koal clearly state he did not!?  This mother and father need to go to court and get an order where the grandmother can have no physical contact or contact by phone with this family until things cool down. She is being detremental to this child's mental health.
 
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June 5, 2008, 5:20 pm PDT

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Hi Gloria, so nice to see you on the show today; I'm a big fan of yours.

 

Joy to you!

To each his/her own, I guess..........but, yuck!
 
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June 5, 2008, 6:39 pm PDT

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I was thinking about this earlier today and it made me wonder about this idea of a "bond"....teachers often bond with their students. Daycare providers to too. Aunts, Uncles, Cousins, neighbors. There are all kinds of people children can bond with. None of these people should ever...EVER have legal rights over these children or their time.

On that I am sure we all agree.

So why then do people make exceptions for grandparents? I think it's simple. I think that SOME people have a hard time giving up control of their child when they become an adult. They think even their adult children should be forced to comply with them, and that included forcing a relationship with their grandchildren.

I think it's always wrong...always.

That story of yours is heartbreaking and a good example as to another reason why these laws are ridiculous.

Yes, it must be a DNA thing. I am going to be a granny, not till Jan., but already I am so excited! And I hope to have a good relationship with my grandchild. I can understand the tug of the heart for a grandparent, because of the way I feel right now. And I know it must make a grandparent sad to not be able to see thier grandchild. But, having said that, when my kids were little, I felt that as thier parents, we were definitely the ones to decide where they went ,who they spent time with, all of that. I mean, the only people who ever kept my kids were my husband and my mother. My kids had wonderful relationships with thier grandparents. My parents were respectful of my wishes and they never tried to interfere. My in-laws were a little different, but not to where it was a problem. I wouldn't ever want to think that some day I would be taking my daughter to court to force visitation with a grandchild. I think that's going too far. And I intend to show her the same respect that I expected from people when I was raising my children.
 
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June 5, 2008, 7:47 pm PDT

Enmeshed!!

I was quite interested in Rita's son.  One word (or two, or three):  Mother-enmeshed man, or MEM.  Look it up.

 

I too was horribly disappointed that Dr. Phil did not, or does not seem to help family members deal with someone (like Rita) who has an obvious disorder, whether it be a personality or mood disorder.  Keywords:  narcissist, emotional abuse, borderline personality disorder, silently seduced

 
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June 5, 2008, 8:18 pm PDT

Thank God for Moms like you!!

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My daughter is going through the same thing, only with her mother-in-law. My son-in-law finally realized how crazed and obsessed his mother is and has since sided with my daughter.  My daughter has been put through hell and back by this woman from the time she had her first child. She loves her husband and refuses to let this woman destroy her family for the second time. However, this fight is costing them money they don't have and a whole lot of unnecessary stress, she's 8mo pregnant. This woman is a controlling, manipulative, conniving and cunning and yes I warned my daughter but she choose this woman's son anyway. This woman does this with all her children but she really became enraged when my daughter told her to leave her family alone. Things really got bad when she found out the kids were moving and that my daughter was pregnant again. She then cornered my daughter into a confrontation and accused my daughter of assault. It has been a court battle ever since. Further damage came when my son-in-law (with good intentions) hired a vending machine lawyer to represent my daughter. We have since hired a competent lawyer to try to rectify the damage and reverse the visitation order. Since then the kids have relocated to a better place, job and home but the battle goes on with no end in site. Just recently they where served with a new court order by a different judge who obviously has no clue of what the other judge said. To make matters worse this woman called the sheriff's department where they live now and made some serious allegations against my daughter for the um tenth time. According to the grand-parental law if the parents are in jail or mentally unstable the grandparent has a right to the children. Clearly this woman has forgotten that I am around. I feel that in a situation where the children are well cared for by the parents the courts should not intervene on the grandparents behalf. Hiring a lawyer isn't cheap and it's literally taking the food out of their mouths, only a selfish person would do this. Grandparents are suppose to hold a special place if there is a bond with the children there will be a bound with the grandkids too.  When a grandparent  has to go through this extent what makes anyone think they can build a good relationship with the grandchildren. 

Kudos to you Mom and I pray that your daughter will sustain herself and her family thru this horrible sit.  I am the message further down...They haven't called the sheriffs as yet... They have alienated and have broken up 3 out of 4 marriages...of course their son, my hubby their last child in which they are working on destroying now..One son has reconciled with his wife and they nearly had heart attacks! So they are completely cut off from all the kids...and call to start fires amongst all of us...I told them "it is a shame that you have 4 children who completely want nothing to do with you both." It is pretty sad...I have a Mom just like you and I thank God every day for her...

You are a great woman to have your daughter lean on you..you are a ROCK....

Again kudos to you....Her mother-in-law will have lost so much more when she finally realizes that all this which she is taking PERSONALLY is not about HER. She will have , be and end up with NOTHING!!!!

 
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