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Should schools be allowed to pass out birth control to students? Should teens be forced to take vows of purity? Dr. Phil and Bishop T.D. Jakes, author of Reposition Yourself, tackle these and other controversial issues. First up, Ed is an abstinence educator who believes the only safe sex for teens is no sex. But 21-year-old Shelby calls Ed’s tactics “dangerous” and says kids need sex education in schools to stop teen pregnancy. Are abstinence-only programs effective? See what Dr. Phil and the Bishop think. Then, Lisette says if she had had access to birth control when she was 12 years old, she wouldn't have had a baby at 13. Is her school to blame for not handing out birth control? What’s right for your child? Plus, is it realistic for teens to live by purity pledges until they get married? A sexually active 14-year-old and an 18-year-old virgin face off on this touchy topic. And, another issue making the headlines is: Should pregnant teens be given maternity leave? Dr. Lisa Masterson, an OB-GYN and member of The Doctors, shares her views, join the discussion and share your views too!

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September 3, 2008, 7:59 am CDT

BRAVO! Abastinace only

I really wasn't in to the research and the stats...always can find one to contract the other.

We have in our headlines today the SUCCESS of abstinance only being taught in the High Schools.  Too bad the "example" is being made at the expense of Bristol Palin, and her unborn child, and is the focus of the Republican Convention.

Governor Palin, was oppositional to sex ed programs in Alaska, backing the ABSTINANCE only method.  Well, it came round to bite her on the *ss, and I'm am appalled she did not step down.  Certainly not in shame from her daughter, but in SHAME that SHE used her government powers to block sex ed from countless other students.  Her "abstinance only "blew up in her own family, so I think I'd be safe in saying that it's not just them.

Now this "moral" Christian is flaunting her daughter, along with the unborn baby, all over the Republican Convention...whatta mom!  Making her unborn grandchild, along with her 17 year old daughter the Watergate of the 2008 election. 

Governor Palin knew she blocked efforts to allow much needed sex ed in schools.  She knew her daughter was pregnant, yet with her background, allowed her ego to override her sense of family, and her flawed political judgement, by accepting the nomination for V.P. 

I only wish there had been a less exploitative means to highlight the "ABSTINANCE only" failures  than at the expense of Bristol.    I wish Palin would put on her mucluks and go back to Alaska to begin some programs for the teens, this time, in a realistic manner.  Stop flaunting her child, and stop flaunting her ignorance, during a time when our country is in the midst of a horrid period, we needed her?  John McCain, you really blew it...Leave the morals to the preachers and let the politicians run the country according to its needs, not personal moral values..if you cannot separate, run for something within your religion, not to be a major force in the U.S.A.  Wonder if Alaska will NOW institute a sex ed program.  Too bad a teen had to be singled out as the poster child for such a need, when it was HER MOTHER who was oppositional.

Religion and politics do not mix.

 

 
September 3, 2008, 1:59 pm CDT

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Quote From: kathleen27

I really wasn't in to the research and the stats...always can find one to contract the other.

We have in our headlines today the SUCCESS of abstinance only being taught in the High Schools.  Too bad the "example" is being made at the expense of Bristol Palin, and her unborn child, and is the focus of the Republican Convention.

Governor Palin, was oppositional to sex ed programs in Alaska, backing the ABSTINANCE only method.  Well, it came round to bite her on the *ss, and I'm am appalled she did not step down.  Certainly not in shame from her daughter, but in SHAME that SHE used her government powers to block sex ed from countless other students.  Her "abstinance only "blew up in her own family, so I think I'd be safe in saying that it's not just them.

Now this "moral" Christian is flaunting her daughter, along with the unborn baby, all over the Republican Convention...whatta mom!  Making her unborn grandchild, along with her 17 year old daughter the Watergate of the 2008 election. 

Governor Palin knew she blocked efforts to allow much needed sex ed in schools.  She knew her daughter was pregnant, yet with her background, allowed her ego to override her sense of family, and her flawed political judgement, by accepting the nomination for V.P. 

I only wish there had been a less exploitative means to highlight the "ABSTINANCE only" failures  than at the expense of Bristol.    I wish Palin would put on her mucluks and go back to Alaska to begin some programs for the teens, this time, in a realistic manner.  Stop flaunting her child, and stop flaunting her ignorance, during a time when our country is in the midst of a horrid period, we needed her?  John McCain, you really blew it...Leave the morals to the preachers and let the politicians run the country according to its needs, not personal moral values..if you cannot separate, run for something within your religion, not to be a major force in the U.S.A.  Wonder if Alaska will NOW institute a sex ed program.  Too bad a teen had to be singled out as the poster child for such a need, when it was HER MOTHER who was oppositional.

Religion and politics do not mix.

 

Hey Kathleen...long time, no *see*!

 

This is the ONLY context in which the Bristol Palin story is at all relevant. The irony that Governor supported abstinence only education...hopefully the dialogue on this issue can move past the personal and to the real heart of the matter...where does this candidate stand on sex education and federal funding of sex ed programs?

 

BTW, I am a bit confused...I saw some of your posts on the current events board....this seems a bit contradictory (?)

 
September 3, 2008, 3:32 pm CDT

03/03 Teens and Sex with Bishop T.D. Jakes

"Being a Christian does not mean you're perfect. Nor does it mean your children are perfect... But it does mean there is forgiveness and restoration when we confess our imperfections to the Lord"  Dr. Dobson on Palin family and teen pregnancy

http://www.citizenlink.org/content/A000008087.cfm

 
September 3, 2008, 4:49 pm CDT

03/03 Teens and Sex with Bishop T.D. Jakes

Abstinence education: A program that survives scrutiny

http://faithandfamily.com/article/abstinence-education-a-program-that-survives-scrutiny

 

“Abstinence education is a failure.” Variations of that message are beginning to pop up in the media once again in light of recent events calling into question the effectiveness of these programs. There’s just one significant problem: It’s not true.

The truth is that a host of studies show that abstinence education has proven to be effective in reducing teen sexual activity and pregnancy rates.

No doubt, critics of the programs, which teach “abstinence from sexual activity outside marriage as the expected standard for all school age children,” will again point to a single 2004 report as the authoritative source of proof that the programs are ineffective and not worth a dime of funding. But a closer look at the notorious Waxman Report, a product of long-time abstinence education critic Rep. Henry Waxman (D-CA), reveals that it is nothing more than cherry-picked data used to diminish the proven results of abstinence education.

Within days of the report’s release, the Heritage Foundation issued its own report,

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Abstinence/wm615.cfm#_ftn8

dismantling the Waxman Report, claim by claim, and noting that it is “riddled with errors and inaccuracies.” Perhaps the most glaring erroneous assertion by the Waxman Report is that “abstinence-only education does not appear to decrease teen pregnancy or the risk of sexually transmitted diseases.” In reality, 10 evaluations—four of them peer-reviewed—of the programs had been conducted at that time showing abstinence education’s effectiveness. An additional study, according to Heritage, found that abstinence accounted for 67 percent of the decline in the pregnancy rate and 51 percent of the drop in birth rate among unmarried 15-to-19-year-old girls.

Rep. Waxman’s attack on abstinence education also included a round of shots at virginity pledge programs. But, again, his drumbeat of purported ineffectiveness and lack of positive results does not match what other studies are finding. The National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health, cited by Heritage, found that adolescents who make a virginity pledge:

• Are one-third less likely to experience teen pregnancy;
• Are less likely to be sexually active while in high school and as young adults;
• Are less likely to give birth as teens or young adults;
• Are less likely to give birth out of wedlock;
• Are less likely to engage in risky unprotected sex; and
• Will have almost half as many sexual partners as non-pledgers.

So much for the Waxman Report’s claim that virginity pledge programs are all talk but do little to curb teen sexual activity.

Four years removed from the Waxman Report, more and more studies are validating abstinence education. Just last April, the Heritage Foundation compiled evidence

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Welfare/bg2126.cfm

from 21 studies to show that abstinence education is not a pie-in-the-sky message but a message that works. Eleven out of 15 studies that evaluated programs focusing primarily on teaching abstinence found that they have been successful. Among programs promoting virginity pledges, five out of six studies found positive results. Yet, these encouraging studies have received little fanfare.

Not surprisingly, a majority of the public favors teaching abstinence education. A 2007 Zogby International poll found that parents support the programs by a 2-to-1 margin, and more than 80 percent of parents agreed with the overall approach of abstinence education.

The abstinence message is not one of deprivation but preparation. It instills in students a healthy framework of sex, demonstrating why abstinence until marriage is the best choice and empowering them to make relational decisions that best prepare them for bright, successful futures.

Still, the Waxman Report and its offspring are sure to command media attention in the days to come. One must hope that Rep. Waxman and other standard-bearers of the comprehensive sex-education message will acknowledge the positive results of abstinence programs and abandon deceptive campaigns to discredit and defund these successful programs.

 
September 3, 2008, 5:27 pm CDT

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Quote From: kustomlady

Abstinence education: A program that survives scrutiny

http://faithandfamily.com/article/abstinence-education-a-program-that-survives-scrutiny

 

Abstinence education is a failure. Variations of that message are beginning to pop up in the media once again in light of recent events calling into question the effectiveness of these programs. Theres just one significant problem: Its not true.

The truth is that a host of studies show that abstinence education has proven to be effective in reducing teen sexual activity and pregnancy rates.

No doubt, critics of the programs, which teach abstinence from sexual activity outside marriage as the expected standard for all school age children, will again point to a single 2004 report as the authoritative source of proof that the programs are ineffective and not worth a dime of funding. But a closer look at the notorious Waxman Report, a product of long-time abstinence education critic Rep. Henry Waxman (D-CA), reveals that it is nothing more than cherry-picked data used to diminish the proven results of abstinence education.

Within days of the reports release, the Heritage Foundation issued its own report,

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Abstinence/wm615.cfm#_ftn8

dismantling the Waxman Report, claim by claim, and noting that it is riddled with errors and inaccuracies. Perhaps the most glaring erroneous assertion by the Waxman Report is that abstinence-only education does not appear to decrease teen pregnancy or the risk of sexually transmitted diseases. In reality, 10 evaluationsfour of them peer-reviewedof the programs had been conducted at that time showing abstinence educations effectiveness. An additional study, according to Heritage, found that abstinence accounted for 67 percent of the decline in the pregnancy rate and 51 percent of the drop in birth rate among unmarried 15-to-19-year-old girls.

Rep. Waxmans attack on abstinence education also included a round of shots at virginity pledge programs. But, again, his drumbeat of purported ineffectiveness and lack of positive results does not match what other studies are finding. The National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health, cited by Heritage, found that adolescents who make a virginity pledge:

Are one-third less likely to experience teen pregnancy;
Are less likely to be sexually active while in high school and as young adults;
Are less likely to give birth as teens or young adults;
Are less likely to give birth out of wedlock;
Are less likely to engage in risky unprotected sex; and
Will have almost half as many sexual partners as non-pledgers.

So much for the Waxman Reports claim that virginity pledge programs are all talk but do little to curb teen sexual activity.

Four years removed from the Waxman Report, more and more studies are validating abstinence education. Just last April, the Heritage Foundation compiled evidence

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Welfare/bg2126.cfm

from 21 studies to show that abstinence education is not a pie-in-the-sky message but a message that works. Eleven out of 15 studies that evaluated programs focusing primarily on teaching abstinence found that they have been successful. Among programs promoting virginity pledges, five out of six studies found positive results. Yet, these encouraging studies have received little fanfare.

Not surprisingly, a majority of the public favors teaching abstinence education. A 2007 Zogby International poll found that parents support the programs by a 2-to-1 margin, and more than 80 percent of parents agreed with the overall approach of abstinence education.

The abstinence message is not one of deprivation but preparation. It instills in students a healthy framework of sex, demonstrating why abstinence until marriage is the best choice and empowering them to make relational decisions that best prepare them for bright, successful futures.

Still, the Waxman Report and its offspring are sure to command media attention in the days to come. One must hope that Rep. Waxman and other standard-bearers of the comprehensive sex-education message will acknowledge the positive results of abstinence programs and abandon deceptive campaigns to discredit and defund these successful programs.

This is an article...not a research study. You wouldn't happen to have the actual  research they refer to, do you?
 
September 3, 2008, 7:32 pm CDT

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Quote From: kathleen27

I really wasn't in to the research and the stats...always can find one to contract the other.

We have in our headlines today the SUCCESS of abstinance only being taught in the High Schools.  Too bad the "example" is being made at the expense of Bristol Palin, and her unborn child, and is the focus of the Republican Convention.

Governor Palin, was oppositional to sex ed programs in Alaska, backing the ABSTINANCE only method.  Well, it came round to bite her on the *ss, and I'm am appalled she did not step down.  Certainly not in shame from her daughter, but in SHAME that SHE used her government powers to block sex ed from countless other students.  Her "abstinance only "blew up in her own family, so I think I'd be safe in saying that it's not just them.

Now this "moral" Christian is flaunting her daughter, along with the unborn baby, all over the Republican Convention...whatta mom!  Making her unborn grandchild, along with her 17 year old daughter the Watergate of the 2008 election. 

Governor Palin knew she blocked efforts to allow much needed sex ed in schools.  She knew her daughter was pregnant, yet with her background, allowed her ego to override her sense of family, and her flawed political judgement, by accepting the nomination for V.P. 

I only wish there had been a less exploitative means to highlight the "ABSTINANCE only" failures  than at the expense of Bristol.    I wish Palin would put on her mucluks and go back to Alaska to begin some programs for the teens, this time, in a realistic manner.  Stop flaunting her child, and stop flaunting her ignorance, during a time when our country is in the midst of a horrid period, we needed her?  John McCain, you really blew it...Leave the morals to the preachers and let the politicians run the country according to its needs, not personal moral values..if you cannot separate, run for something within your religion, not to be a major force in the U.S.A.  Wonder if Alaska will NOW institute a sex ed program.  Too bad a teen had to be singled out as the poster child for such a need, when it was HER MOTHER who was oppositional.

Religion and politics do not mix.

 

Bristol Palin did not become pregnant because her mom was a Christian or even a polititian who supported abstinence education.  Bristol conceived a child at 17 because she was having sex.

 

Leave the morals to the preachers and let the politicians run the country according to its needs

 

Morality is, in effect, a world view... every one has a world view, even you, but which world view do you suppose should decide what the country "needs"?  Poiticians are supposed to run the country according to the will of American citizens, and according to polls, the overwhelming majority of parents support Abstinence Education.

 

Too bad a teen had to be singled out as the poster child for such a need

 

Bristol merely represents thousands of teenagers who have and will become pregnant in this country.  And the love and support that the Palin family has given her serves as a shining example for other families to follow.

 
September 3, 2008, 7:34 pm CDT

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Quote From: julie1418

This is an article...not a research study. You wouldn't happen to have the actual  research they refer to, do you?
I gave links and encourage you to investigate them.
 
September 4, 2008, 5:36 am CDT

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Quote From: kustomlady

I gave links and encourage you to investigate them.
Those links are for the article, not the actual research. I going to take a wild guess that YOU have not even attempted to find the actual research...why should you, when you can post articles from biased websites?
 
September 4, 2008, 7:48 am CDT

Ridiculous

Quote From: kustomlady

Bristol Palin did not become pregnant because her mom was a Christian or even a polititian who supported abstinence education.  Bristol conceived a child at 17 because she was having sex.

 

Leave the morals to the preachers and let the politicians run the country according to its needs

 

Morality is, in effect, a world view... every one has a world view, even you, but which world view do you suppose should decide what the country "needs"?  Poiticians are supposed to run the country according to the will of American citizens, and according to polls, the overwhelming majority of parents support Abstinence Education.

 

Too bad a teen had to be singled out as the poster child for such a need

 

Bristol merely represents thousands of teenagers who have and will become pregnant in this country.  And the love and support that the Palin family has given her serves as a shining example for other families to follow.

Bristol should not be publically representing ANYONE.  She is 17 years old, and  going public or staying private was not made by her own choosing.

Abstinace only is working?  One hand it's the will of the people, next Bristol represents one of thousands (low ball figure)?  So this abstinace thing..it's really doing a GREAT job.

Abstinance can be brought in to ANY sex Ed program, as another way of preventing the problems that go along with having sex...not the only one.  If the Palins are a shining example of support (and I agree that they are), what's the big deal about abstinance anyway? 

Nice to have parents who can AFFORD to be so supportive, maybe the average family needs the additional sex ed to keep the kids off welfare!

 
September 4, 2008, 8:06 am CDT

Not really

Quote From: julie1418

Hey Kathleen...long time, no *see*!

 

This is the ONLY context in which the Bristol Palin story is at all relevant. The irony that Governor supported abstinence only education...hopefully the dialogue on this issue can move past the personal and to the real heart of the matter...where does this candidate stand on sex education and federal funding of sex ed programs?

 

BTW, I am a bit confused...I saw some of your posts on the current events board....this seems a bit contradictory (?)

I have never waivered in my support for sex ed.  I am very upset with the upcoming election.  I wanted Hillary.  When Obama got in, I sort of joined the Democrats for McCain movement.  So really, I oppose Obama...think he has very questionable ties and unseemly companions.  His tax proposals are nightmareish...so being now, a McCain supporter, I only wished he'd taken on Joe Lieberman as VP.  Sarah Palin did an excellent job last night at the convention.  Still, she was oppositional to any education but abstinance in Alaska, and now her daughter is being flaunted by the media.  Think she may revisit her own issues with no sex ed after this?  I feel we need a VP without as much as a pimple to get away from Obama, a man I truly fear.  Had we a Hillary/Lieberman ticket, I'd feel very sorry for Bristol, but I wouldn't even be watching these conventions...one thing Palin DID say that impressed me...special needs children will have a friend in the White House...that would be nice.

When you sort of get "blasted" out of your party, it can sound contradictory...I want Hillary.  I don't want Obama.  So, I want McCain to be a strong as he can, I need to focus on his finer points, and stop my whining over Hillary's defeat, which was NOT easy!  I'm a fish out of water because of Mr. Obama..gotta thank him for messing with my head.  I feel like Lieberman and Guiliani hopping over party lines...and truly, I am an independent, but this is NOT the year to cast a 'protest" vote...way too serious, so no write-in-Hillary for me...just very edgy.

 
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