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Should schools be allowed to pass out birth control to students? Should teens be forced to take vows of purity? Dr. Phil and Bishop T.D. Jakes, author of Reposition Yourself, tackle these and other controversial issues. First up, Ed is an abstinence educator who believes the only safe sex for teens is no sex. But 21-year-old Shelby calls Ed’s tactics “dangerous” and says kids need sex education in schools to stop teen pregnancy. Are abstinence-only programs effective? See what Dr. Phil and the Bishop think. Then, Lisette says if she had had access to birth control when she was 12 years old, she wouldn't have had a baby at 13. Is her school to blame for not handing out birth control? What’s right for your child? Plus, is it realistic for teens to live by purity pledges until they get married? A sexually active 14-year-old and an 18-year-old virgin face off on this touchy topic. And, another issue making the headlines is: Should pregnant teens be given maternity leave? Dr. Lisa Masterson, an OB-GYN and member of The Doctors, shares her views, join the discussion and share your views too!

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March 3, 2008, 5:36 pm PST

Educated mom who was a teen mother

Today's show made my blood boil!  I have seen every episode of Dr. Phil, but this one made me want to be in the audience more than ever before.  I had my son at the age of 16, right after my junior year.  Luckily, I had help from my parents and successfully completed high school, earned my Bachelor's Degree, and am currently a teacher.  I have a wonderful son who is now 7.  3% of teen mothers earn a college degree.  That number is astonishing!  If anyone needs to earn an education, it's a parent.  The young 14 year old girl on today's show is clueless about the consequences having sex can bring.  Even though these girls feel they are ready to have sex, doesn't mean they are responsible enough to remember to actually TAKE their pill everyday.  I was on the pill as well in high school.  I went behind my parent's back and went to the local health department, where you did not need permission from a parent.  I did not always remember to take my pill, and thought it would never happen to me anyway, so I didn't worry about it.  I also used protection with my boyfriend, when it was convenient.  Teaching abstinence or safe sex is a debate I can't side with either point of view on.  I never talked to my parents about sex, but knew from health class the consequences.  As a teen, you think you are untouchable, STD's are something you hear about, but don't take seriously.  Now in my 20's, I realize just how mindless I really was at that time in my life.  If I had to do it over again, I would have waited.  Sex isn't as meaningful in my life now as it should be because I started at such a young age.  Teens will make their own decisions about their bodies, whether they are talked to by their parents or the school, but they need to be informed of the consequences and the joy of waiting.  Girls who are promiscuous get a bad reputation at school, while guys are given high fives.  I was never looked at the same after I got pregnant, but luckily, I am one of the few that made my life a success by getting educated and taking on the responsibility of motherhood.  I went back to school 3 after giving birth, because I wanted to finish school without falling behind.  Maternity leave is a must for a mother, only she knows when it's time to return to school.  Rushing her to soon could lead to long term problems with her body, as well as with the bond of a newborn baby.  I wish girls who are having sex in high school and think having sex or having a baby is no big deal could look at my life and realize it has been a struggle everyday, and will continue to be.  I chose to keep my baby, but I didn't realize how hard it truly was going to be.  I wish the women on today's show the best of luck, and hope they don't regret their decisions in the future.
 
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March 3, 2008, 5:37 pm PST

03/03 Teens and Sex with Bishop T.D. Jakes

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       When I was in school, we did not have sex education.  We had something better.  One day an obstetrician, a doctor who specializes in childbirth, gave us a lecture and answered the questions we had the nerve to ask him in a co-ed setting.

       He told us that there are times in our lives when we need a professional.  For this reason, I do not believe that schools have any business practicing medicine.  A 13-year-old girl has a big problem when she is pregnant.  I remember the doctor explaining that young girls have a difficult time carrying a pregnancy to term.  "The worst thing that can happen is not having a baby, it is suddenly not having a baby."  One of the boys asked him for further clarification.  And, we all learned that the miscarriage rate is much higher for girls under 16. 

     I personally knew a 13-year-old who discovered she was pregnant.  Her "boyfriend" told her to wait before she told her parents.  And, two months later, she had a miscarriage.  She was relieved, and happy.  She thought she had been unbelievably lucky.

    Two weeks later, she developed a raging fever--over 105 degrees.  The emergency room doctor asked her if she wanted to live.  "Then, tell me the truth:  Have you been pregnant?"  It was all she could do to force herself to nod yes.  And then he went into the waiting room, explaining to her mortified parents that either they would agree to an emergency hysterectomy, or he would be forced to obtain a court order.  (Their daughter would be dead by morning without the operation)

   No parents should have to face something like this.  It is almost cruel.

   Her "boyfriend?"  He was her 37-year-old married uncle, and their "affair" had been going on since she was five.

    

That was not an "affair" that was Child Molestation and Statuatory Rape!

 

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March 3, 2008, 5:37 pm PST

its not an exuse

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 I keep hearing this on Dr. Phil:  The teenage brain is undeveloped.  What are they talking about?  My 14 year old son is doing algebra.  But supposedly his brain is undeveloped and can't make sense of simple moral decisions?   To me, this is one of the most baffling things that I hear on Dr. Phil, and it seems like a collossal excuse for irresponsible kids.
it is developed but it is truly not complete. The frontal lobe is the final area of the brain to develop and this is where the primary  problem-solving, excutive part of the  brain is. That is why we still make mistakes when we are young adults.
Algebra is required in the state of Ca for freshmen (predominately 14). It is also does not require abstract thinking much like being able to truly comprehend the consequences of having sex at that age. Algebra is math. It requires concrete thinking.
yes some kids are geniouses and graduate college at 14 but can they make good decisions that require abstract thought processes? usually not.
I thought understood a lot at 14 and was quite mature. But even my brain had lots of developing to do and thank God I can say I matured and was a different person at the age of 24 (approx age the frontal lobe completes development) than at 14! 
 
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March 3, 2008, 5:38 pm PST

03/03 Teens and Sex with Bishop T.D. Jakes

Ok well I have spent more time than I should have reading peoples responses. I myself was a teen mother. I did have sex ed in school, but I did not have a parent I could talk to. I am a woman that was raised by her father and only her father. I am now 27 and a single mom of 4 beautiful children. Two boys and two girls. I am doing for them what my father was unable to do for me. I talk to my children about their bodies and sex (on a level they can understand). I do plan on putting both my girls on birth control after they start their periods. No I don't approve of them having sex at an early age but then again neither did my father and I did it anyway.  I am simply being realistic. We as parents can teach our children about sex, love and relationships, but in the long run they are going to do what they want to do. I would rather know my children can talk to me and make informed decisions than turn a blind eye or be in denial about what is going on. It is my hope that none of my children make the same mistakes I made, but if they do I can at least protect them from having to go through what I did being a teen mother. For all of you out there that do not talk to you children please do not leave it up to the schools and doctors. They can educate your children on the std's out there and the anatomical parts of sex, but they cannot teach them about the relationships behind it. They will learn that either from their friends or you.
 
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March 3, 2008, 5:39 pm PST

rape??

I completely understand the meaning of this broadcast but I have several questions.  However, where is the education in rape?  Many young girls grow up understanding the meaning and necessity of birth control.  I was by far one of those girls.  I, myself, waited until I was out of high school to have sex.  My brother got his girlfriend pregnant and I was always scared I would end up like them, though they are now happy and successul and caring for their children like one could only wish.  However, when I reached college and in a relationship with a young man since I was 14, I was suddenly raped.  I felt suddenly that everything I was ever taught was wrong and that men only wanted sex.  It completely changed all of my future relationships - and then I found out my boyfriend of 7 years cheated on me because I wasn't having sex with him enough .  When I was younger, I was never taught the consequences of all these psychological influences.  It's sad that my life wouldn't have been so careless after all had I been warned about the psychological issues that accompanied sex - not only that sex causes pregnancy or STDs.  I thought he and I would be together forever but I was sadly wrong.  It's important for teens to know though, that even if you are abstinent, doesn't mean  you are safe from all forms of sex.  Children need to  be warned not to trust too much.  Your closest friend, and even a stranger, can change you and change you forever in the eyes of "sex".
 
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March 3, 2008, 5:40 pm PST

a raging epidemic...who's to blame?

I myslef is a high school student from one of the most liberal places in america, california. this is my senior year in high school and i have seen many young ladies in my years who have been pregnant from my freshman year until now. I ask myslef who is to blame for this raging epidemic? Some young women knew about the dangers of having sex from the HIV's that i refer to as ghonaherpasiphilaids to summarize them and they also knew about the risk of teenage pregnancy and yet they CHOSE to have unprotcted sex granted that all of the information was available and has been taught to them. there has also been young women who say it was an "accident". Do you blame them? Can you blame them? i firmly believe no you can not. i feel as though the people who are to blame for this raging epidemic are the same people who preach to us abstinence. We see the failed marriages and the lies and the cheating etc. How does one think this effects an adolescent mind? by seeing this we ask ourselves why should we wait to have sex when the same statistics show we are more than likely to divorce. why save youself to end up broken hearted. we have seen time and again "LOVE HURTS SEX FEELS GOOD". In todays age we see alot more violence sex drugs etc by just turning on the television. we are exposed to alot more than the generations above and going back to Darwin we must adapt to these times. To say kids should only be taught abstinence is ridiculous because we do not see a positive outcome of such. Abstinence is a value along with virginity that is taught in the home and it should end and begin there. Myself is still a virgin not because of religious values because i dont do relgion but because i know what may happen if i choose to do so and i know i am not mentally physically emotionally or financially ready to uphold my responsibilty to sex. AND THATS A DECISION I MADE FOR MYSELF WITH THE HELP OF BOTH ABSTINENCE AND SEX EDUCATION. 

 
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March 3, 2008, 5:41 pm PST

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lets get real. I would love if all the sex that teens had was meaningful  but I am not naive nor was I a wonderful teen who waited for that all wonderful, loving sexual encounter. I had cheap meaningless sex as a teenager and young woman and I would still have meaningless sex if I had not learned to love myself. I know know the difference between and a cheap thrill with an anonamous partner and a cheap thrill with someone who repsects me. I like to get in on but I like it with love and respect supporting it. Thats what I want for my son.
Why should ALL sex be meaningful? I think that causes undue pain, by building sex up into some hugely insanely intense activity...no matter who it's done with.

But, on the other hand it doesn't mean all other sex is "cheap and meaningless"....there IS a middle ground.

Sex is what a person makes of it.

I have meaningless sex with my husband on occasion. LOL And I do love myself.


 
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March 3, 2008, 5:46 pm PST

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OKAY PARENTS...NO OFFENSE BUT SERIOUSLT GET REAL!!! DO YOU THINK THAT YOUR KIDS DONT HEAR ABOUT SEX ANYWAYS?!! ITS AT SCHOOL, IN THE MEDIA...ITS EVERYWHERE!!! I THINK ITS BETTER TO GET SEX EDUCATION FROM A PASTOR THAN ANYWHERE ELSE. TEENS ARE NOT GONNA LISTEN TO THERE PARENTS..SRY BUT THERE NOT! THEY ARE EITHER GONNA GET SEX EDUCATION  FROM A PASTOR/ SCHOOL OR FROM THERE FRIENDS.. WHICH DO YOU THINK IS THE BETTER CHOICE?! I CAN ALMOST GUARANTEE THAT YOUR TEENS KNOW PRETTY MUCH ALL THERE IS TO KNOW ABOUT SEX ANYWAYS.  i lost my virginty when i was 12..its not something im proud of...actually it was one of the biggest mistakes of my life! Honestly youre kids are probably gonna have sex...most teens do but whats really important is that they have enough education to make the right decision to be protected. also they need to know that they can come talk to you about sex...if they are having it or not. they shouldnt be scared that you will make them feel embarressed or ashamed!! that was a big issue for me! i never have told my mom about how i had sex...i was always to scared! Dont be the parent that your teen is afaid to some to! let them know that you will support them and love them no matter what!
 You sound like a bright & perceptive young person who has learned from your early mistakes & will parent your own children well.  Thanks for commenting. 
 
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March 3, 2008, 5:47 pm PST

Peer pressure

I believe you're "missing the boat" on how important peer pressure is on our young ones.  They learn from each other.  If acceptable friend A has sex and talks about it then everyone else in the clan should also do the same, or else they're not on the same level of acceptance...As hard as they try to be their individual selves, pressure from their friends takes hold and leaves them in a quagmire between what they have learned from their parents and the expectations of their friends.

 

I believe most teenage pregnancies are not a result of love thru copulation but, a drive to be accepted by their peers.

 

I believe most young teens don't have the strength to overcome the peer pressure and don't want to be a nonconformist to the acceptably established norm they have developed amongst themselves.

 

The only resolve I see is that parents instill in their children that casual sex is not good for them.  Until the majority takes this posture, I believe our children will face further pressure from those children that believe that casual sexual contact is acceptable.

 

 

 
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March 3, 2008, 5:47 pm PST

Regarding: Teens and Sex with the Bishop

Now this is just my opinion on this widely discussed subject, but it isn’t just about informing your child about the risks of sex, or providing them with contraceptives, it is about some of the main reasons our children find the need to have sex and it is about reality.  If you think about it you have to ask yourself why a child has sex.

 

One:  Do they have good Self-esteem?

Two:  They are looking for and needing to feel loved.

Three:  They are trying to find acceptance and a sense of belonging.  

Four:  They need to feel close to someone.

 

If a child has self-esteem, feels good about his or her self that is more than half the battle because that child has what is needed to build that self-esteem they have (love, closeness, acceptance and that sense of belonging) for them selves and from their family.  I believe that when a child has these essentials that child has a higher chance of being able to process the information given about having sex at the right time in their lives.  Without these essentials nothing is going to work.  So to me it isn’t essentially about disseminated information or birth control.  It is about the building blocks of raising a human being. 

 

This is just my two cents worth but you can talk about this subject till the cows come home but if a child does not have the emotional tools for growing up nothing is going to make a difference when it comes to children and sex.

 
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