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Topic : 03/03 Teens and Sex with Bishop T.D. Jakes

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Should schools be allowed to pass out birth control to students? Should teens be forced to take vows of purity? Dr. Phil and Bishop T.D. Jakes, author of Reposition Yourself, tackle these and other controversial issues. First up, Ed is an abstinence educator who believes the only safe sex for teens is no sex. But 21-year-old Shelby calls Ed’s tactics “dangerous” and says kids need sex education in schools to stop teen pregnancy. Are abstinence-only programs effective? See what Dr. Phil and the Bishop think. Then, Lisette says if she had had access to birth control when she was 12 years old, she wouldn't have had a baby at 13. Is her school to blame for not handing out birth control? What’s right for your child? Plus, is it realistic for teens to live by purity pledges until they get married? A sexually active 14-year-old and an 18-year-old virgin face off on this touchy topic. And, another issue making the headlines is: Should pregnant teens be given maternity leave? Dr. Lisa Masterson, an OB-GYN and member of The Doctors, shares her views, join the discussion and share your views too!

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March 3, 2008, 7:11 pm PST

what's going on?

I am really shocked at Dr. Phil's opinion on this matter.  I always considered him a man who knew his Bible.  What ever happened to God's plan?  It plainly states in the Bible that sex is designed for a man and woman who are MARRIED.  We shouldn't even be having this discussion if those kids knew anything about the BIble...that's the parents fault.  This is a parental issue, not a government issue.  Parents need to step up and start raising their children instead of just giving birth to them.  Birthing a baby is the beginning of a life.  Parents think they can just throw their kids in the local day care and everything will be okay...IT WON'T!  TEACH YOUR KIDS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RIGHT AND WRONG for cryin' out loud!  As far as the girl who said if her school offered her a condom when she was 12, she wouldn't have a baby...BULL!  Why was she having sex???  Take some responsibility for your own body girl!  I'm with the other post, I was playing with dolls still at 11 and 12...I don't even think I was secret about it. 

 

Shame on you Dr. Phil...I'm disappointed.

 
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March 3, 2008, 7:15 pm PST

on having a son instead

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What if you were the mother of an 8 year old boy?

Would you just then wash your hands of it all because YOU wouldn't be the one RAISING another child?

First, I don't have a son, so I have not made a plan for that gender.  (However, my brohter-in-law has a son who fathered a child and the last time I visited them, it seemed as if the grandparents are doing a lot of the raising of this baby).  But to address you question, I suppose I would strongly encourage birth control for a son, too, but there is only one option for males (condom) and that would be entirely his responsibility to follow thru.  As the mother of the guy in this case, I would likely have little influence on the girl's choices pertaining to birth control.  I would indeed be more limited in preventing unwanted pregnancy. 

In my current situation, I am just stating measures that I would be more able to enforce. 

 

You must remember, though, that many of the boys who father children do not accept child-rearing resposibilities.  If such were the case, I am sure we would have seen the development of more male-based contraceptives.

 
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March 3, 2008, 7:16 pm PST

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I am really shocked at Dr. Phil's opinion on this matter.  I always considered him a man who knew his Bible.  What ever happened to God's plan?  It plainly states in the Bible that sex is designed for a man and woman who are MARRIED.  We shouldn't even be having this discussion if those kids knew anything about the BIble...that's the parents fault.  This is a parental issue, not a government issue.  Parents need to step up and start raising their children instead of just giving birth to them.  Birthing a baby is the beginning of a life.  Parents think they can just throw their kids in the local day care and everything will be okay...IT WON'T!  TEACH YOUR KIDS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RIGHT AND WRONG for cryin' out loud!  As far as the girl who said if her school offered her a condom when she was 12, she wouldn't have a baby...BULL!  Why was she having sex???  Take some responsibility for your own body girl!  I'm with the other post, I was playing with dolls still at 11 and 12...I don't even think I was secret about it. 

 

Shame on you Dr. Phil...I'm disappointed.

This isn't a Bible show.
 
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March 3, 2008, 7:18 pm PST

fringe benefits

we teach our children, our friends, our classmates, etc. that if someone will offer you something more/better for what you have, choose that one.  if one job offers you vacation time, paid sick leave and a monthly bonus in comparison to another job that offers you loads of overtime and no raise, you would choose the former.  as well we should, we teach society the same thing.  if joe will give me $500 for my buick and tim offers me $1000, who would we sell to?  who would we tell others to sell to?  as society we teach that if you are offered more, take it.  (and there's nothing wrong with that idea) 

here's the thing though.  we don't put our foot down with sex and teenagers, we give them birth control, we want to give them maternity leave, we hug them and tell them "i don't like it but i'll deal with it."  in essence we are giving them fringe benefits but then telling them, "don't go choose that one."   we are contradicting ourselves.

instead we need to put our foot down and say "this is unacceptable, i won't stand for this" and not allow it to begin with.

i can be given gloves all i want and told "wear them when you’re cutting chicken" but the fact remains that if i want to prevent salmonella altogether, then i leave the chicken in the refrigerator.

 

 
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March 3, 2008, 7:18 pm PST

hook, line and sinker?

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What I mean is, if her son got a girl pregnant why would she feel she was off the hook by it? But if her daughter got pregnant then she was stuck raising another kid?
I didn't mean to imply that I would not accept any responsiblity if the sexes were reversed., but in my case the point is moot.  No need to worry about a situation I won't find myself in, is there?
 
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March 3, 2008, 7:19 pm PST

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I am really shocked at Dr. Phil's opinion on this matter.  I always considered him a man who knew his Bible.  What ever happened to God's plan?  It plainly states in the Bible that sex is designed for a man and woman who are MARRIED.  We shouldn't even be having this discussion if those kids knew anything about the BIble...that's the parents fault.  This is a parental issue, not a government issue.  Parents need to step up and start raising their children instead of just giving birth to them.  Birthing a baby is the beginning of a life.  Parents think they can just throw their kids in the local day care and everything will be okay...IT WON'T!  TEACH YOUR KIDS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RIGHT AND WRONG for cryin' out loud!  As far as the girl who said if her school offered her a condom when she was 12, she wouldn't have a baby...BULL!  Why was she having sex???  Take some responsibility for your own body girl!  I'm with the other post, I was playing with dolls still at 11 and 12...I don't even think I was secret about it. 

 

Shame on you Dr. Phil...I'm disappointed.

Teen pregnancy rates are actually highest in the "Bible Belt"....so much for that theory huh?

 
 
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March 3, 2008, 7:20 pm PST

03/03 Teens and Sex with Bishop T.D. Jakes

This isn't about religion-i grew up with traditional christian values and attended a christian school from grades 6-9. i learned sex-ed in this christian school. we were not mis-informed or scared into the belief that abstinence is the only way and sex is a monster. however, you don't need to be supplying kids with the condoms and birth control at the school  for them to get the information they need about safe sex/abstinence. if they are responsible enough to make the decision with there girlfriend/boyfriend at 13 14 15 or so on to have sex, then they must be responsible enought to have a job to have money to pay for the bus or car or whatever mode of transportion to get to the store to buy the 10.00 box of condoms. from as early as i can remember, from both my parents and the school system, it wasn't just about saving yourself because it should be between a loving/married man and woman or the sacredness of it, i was informed about all the reasons not too, like pregnancy and std's and the emotional stress it can cause at a young age to a female or male. i waited to have sex until i was 19 years old. still not old enough in my mind when i look back now to my early 20's, but i was in a year long relationship, and at the time, i thought it was right for me. i did bypass alot of the pain my girlfriends went through in high school, the name calling, the pregnancies(or for some an abortion) , the std's..some of my friends starting having sex at age 13 like the girls on the show...so young to be in a relationship where the chances are against you for it to last in to an adult relationship or to marriage.....for some,by the time they were 19-20 they already had 10 sexual partners and are only past their teens!! i agree that it all starts with parenting.....and i guess i am one of the "lucky" one's who came from a stable home, parents still together(and happy!) and was taught first and foremost from my FATHER and MOTHER, that i am precious/ beautiful/ loved/ cherished/ protected/ srong/valued/ respected/smart..it's stupid to believe that your kids will make the right choices all the time, but they need their parents to be there when they need the support. parents need to spend more time with their kids so they know inside and out that home is a safe place, a comfortable place where anything can be brought to the table and talked about. kids shouldn't have to have the stress about finding this information out from somebody else or finding this out too late. nurture your children, from the day they are born, spend time with them, instill values in them, let them know they are valuable so they don't give it away so cheaply.

 
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March 3, 2008, 7:22 pm PST

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Quote From: nicobry

I am really shocked at Dr. Phil's opinion on this matter.  I always considered him a man who knew his Bible.  What ever happened to God's plan?  It plainly states in the Bible that sex is designed for a man and woman who are MARRIED.  We shouldn't even be having this discussion if those kids knew anything about the BIble...that's the parents fault.  This is a parental issue, not a government issue.  Parents need to step up and start raising their children instead of just giving birth to them.  Birthing a baby is the beginning of a life.  Parents think they can just throw their kids in the local day care and everything will be okay...IT WON'T!  TEACH YOUR KIDS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RIGHT AND WRONG for cryin' out loud!  As far as the girl who said if her school offered her a condom when she was 12, she wouldn't have a baby...BULL!  Why was she having sex???  Take some responsibility for your own body girl!  I'm with the other post, I was playing with dolls still at 11 and 12...I don't even think I was secret about it. 

 

Shame on you Dr. Phil...I'm disappointed.

Dr. Phil is a professional. What religion he practices in his own home is different than the help that he gives to people on his show. Religion should not affect the truth, no matter how much people want to avoid the sad truth of things. Whether he's a chrisitian or not makes no difference to how he handles himself on his show. And I've seen tons of posts like this today, and it's sickening.

 

 
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March 3, 2008, 7:30 pm PST

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I myslef is a high school student from one of the most liberal places in america, california. this is my senior year in high school and i have seen many young ladies in my years who have been pregnant from my freshman year until now. I ask myslef who is to blame for this raging epidemic? Some young women knew about the dangers of having sex from the HIV's that i refer to as ghonaherpasiphilaids to summarize them and they also knew about the risk of teenage pregnancy and yet they CHOSE to have unprotcted sex granted that all of the information was available and has been taught to them. there has also been young women who say it was an "accident". Do you blame them? Can you blame them? i firmly believe no you can not. i feel as though the people who are to blame for this raging epidemic are the same people who preach to us abstinence. We see the failed marriages and the lies and the cheating etc. How does one think this effects an adolescent mind? by seeing this we ask ourselves why should we wait to have sex when the same statistics show we are more than likely to divorce. why save youself to end up broken hearted. we have seen time and again "LOVE HURTS SEX FEELS GOOD". In todays age we see alot more violence sex drugs etc by just turning on the television. we are exposed to alot more than the generations above and going back to Darwin we must adapt to these times. To say kids should only be taught abstinence is ridiculous because we do not see a positive outcome of such. Abstinence is a value along with virginity that is taught in the home and it should end and begin there. Myself is still a virgin not because of religious values because i dont do relgion but because i know what may happen if i choose to do so and i know i am not mentally physically emotionally or financially ready to uphold my responsibilty to sex. AND THATS A DECISION I MADE FOR MYSELF WITH THE HELP OF BOTH ABSTINENCE AND SEX EDUCATION. 

You make some good points and I'm glad to see a young person on here. I was a teenage mother. not by choice of course. our method of birth control failed. I know this most likely doesn't mean much but I am proud of you. you have made a well informed decision. I only hope I can instill the same knowledge in my children
 
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March 3, 2008, 7:31 pm PST

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Quote From: usernamedenise

I didn't mean to imply that I would not accept any responsiblity if the sexes were reversed., but in my case the point is moot.  No need to worry about a situation I won't find myself in, is there?
Just curious if you were making a gender point.
 
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