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Should schools be allowed to pass out birth control to students? Should teens be forced to take vows of purity? Dr. Phil and Bishop T.D. Jakes, author of Reposition Yourself, tackle these and other controversial issues. First up, Ed is an abstinence educator who believes the only safe sex for teens is no sex. But 21-year-old Shelby calls Ed’s tactics “dangerous” and says kids need sex education in schools to stop teen pregnancy. Are abstinence-only programs effective? See what Dr. Phil and the Bishop think. Then, Lisette says if she had had access to birth control when she was 12 years old, she wouldn't have had a baby at 13. Is her school to blame for not handing out birth control? What’s right for your child? Plus, is it realistic for teens to live by purity pledges until they get married? A sexually active 14-year-old and an 18-year-old virgin face off on this touchy topic. And, another issue making the headlines is: Should pregnant teens be given maternity leave? Dr. Lisa Masterson, an OB-GYN and member of The Doctors, shares her views, join the discussion and share your views too!

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March 3, 2008, 12:57 pm PST

Dear TD Jakes

We shouldnt change our values to fit the time?! GUESS WHAT USED TO BE VALUED... SLAVERY! re think your argument.... of course we need to update our values as the times change and today the issues of teen sex are too prevailant to ignore and NOT change our values towards it!

 
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March 3, 2008, 12:57 pm PST

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I have a daughter who is now 19 and in college.  I was very honest and blunt in talking about love, abstinence, sex, birth control. STDs, reputation, and other pertinent facts.  While I am aware that I cannot "make" her abstinent, she needed all the information so she could make her decision when the time came.  I made it very clear that having sex has medical and emotional consequences that can impact the rest of her life. 

When a friend of hers became pregnant and had a baby, I was sympathetic.  I used that situation to point out that having a baby isn't the end of the world, but it finishes your childhood and makes it much more difficult to finish school and pursue higher education.  It made her life a lot harder.  There are consequences to your choices.

I don't think this is the responsibility of the school or church.  I love and care about my child more than anyone else.  I know more than the school or church about what is best for her.  For a teen, it isn't just enough to tell them that abstinence is best for them, you must go into all the details and consequence of why it is best.  I don't think it is scaring them; it's just giving them the facts so they can make informed decisions. 

I know that talking about this with your child can be difficult, but lots of things are difficult. 

Did you keep your mouth shut when your child was young and got in the street?  Did you ride a bike without a helmet?  Did you let them put their hands on a hot stove or in a fireplace?  Of course you alerted them to dangers they couldn't see!!!   Having sex as a teen or younger can be dangerous for them.  They expose themselves to uncurable STDs, pregnancy and great emotional distress!!.  If they are not informed, they don't see these dangers.   

The only problem is that not every child has caring and attentive parents.

I don't understand the desire to keep sex education out of public schools. We teach kids about every other part of their body, the circulatory system, the lymphatic system. We teach them about diseases in other categories, diabetes, heart disease, cancer....but once the topic gets near the penis or vagina suddenly we should stop?

Of COURSE these things should be taught in school. The penis, vagina, uterus, testicles, ovaries, hormones, erections, vaginal secretions....these are ALL biology, why suddenly stop just because it has to do with the no-no of sex?

I am not saying YOU are saying this btw...just wrote a response.
 
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March 3, 2008, 12:58 pm PST

ANGRY!

I am a 17 year old mother of an 8 month old baby girl. My boyfriend and I are engaged. My boyfriend and I decided to have sex before we were married; although I was on birth control my daughter was still conceived. I am very mad about the discussion over teenage maternity leave. I was lucky enough to give birth in the summer months so this didn't apply to me. I believe that a mother is a mother no matter what age. I am continuing my high school education through Cyber School, I will graduate on time. I was told about sex and what could happen around age 13. I got on birth control at age 14 and still got pregnant. My boyfriend and I are very happy with our life and daughter. I don't feel that people should look down on teen parents. I feel that some teen mothers are more responsible than a 30 year old married mother. Teaching abstinence is not going to stop teens from having sex. Give them the advise and knowledge to make a responsible decision even if it is not what you would choose for them.

 
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March 3, 2008, 12:58 pm PST

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I am in my 20s and I feel it is sad that people are having sex as early as they are.  I remember back in college I sat at a table with 10 of my friends and I was the ONLY virgin.  What is wrong with that picture?  There seems to be no morals left in our society.  I am a responsible intelligent person and even as such there is no way I would have been able to raise a kid at 13 or deal with the fact that I was going to have to live with AIDS at that age.  With this in mind and b/c I knew it was wrong I never had sex at that age.  It is up to the parents to put morals into their kids!  These kids on the show are soooo clueless.  Schools should never give out birth control to kids under 18 because they are telling them it is ok to do something it is not.  Schools don't let kids cheat on tests b/c it is wrong and therefore they should not say it is ok to have sex either.  Divorce rates are so high already!  KIDS having sex is not helping.  Come on people, lets take back our society.  You wouldn't let your kids cheat in school b/c they are jeopardizing their future therefore don't let them have sex b/c obviously that is going to jeopardize their future even more.  If your kid comes to you and says they are having sex, don't give them birth control...give them a punishment for doing wrong.
Your morals are not the only morals on the planet. I do not think that premarital sex is immoral.
 
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March 3, 2008, 12:59 pm PST

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       When I was in school, we did not have sex education.  We had something better.  One day an obstetrician, a doctor who specializes in childbirth, gave us a lecture and answered the questions we had the nerve to ask him in a co-ed setting.

       He told us that there are times in our lives when we need a professional.  For this reason, I do not believe that schools have any business practicing medicine.  A 13-year-old girl has a big problem when she is pregnant.  I remember the doctor explaining that young girls have a difficult time carrying a pregnancy to term.  "The worst thing that can happen is not having a baby, it is suddenly not having a baby."  One of the boys asked him for further clarification.  And, we all learned that the miscarriage rate is much higher for girls under 16. 

     I personally knew a 13-year-old who discovered she was pregnant.  Her "boyfriend" told her to wait before she told her parents.  And, two months later, she had a miscarriage.  She was relieved, and happy.  She thought she had been unbelievably lucky.

    Two weeks later, she developed a raging fever--over 105 degrees.  The emergency room doctor asked her if she wanted to live.  "Then, tell me the truth:  Have you been pregnant?"  It was all she could do to force herself to nod yes.  And then he went into the waiting room, explaining to her mortified parents that either they would agree to an emergency hysterectomy, or he would be forced to obtain a court order.  (Their daughter would be dead by morning without the operation)

   No parents should have to face something like this.  It is almost cruel.

   Her "boyfriend?"  He was her 37-year-old married uncle, and their "affair" had been going on since she was five.

    

  He was not her boyfriend and that was not an affair.  Her unckle would be a childmolester not a boy friend and it would be rape not an affair. . .
 
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March 3, 2008, 1:01 pm PST

Sex education is not a school topic

 By all means, sex education should be taught to every young person: but at home, not in school.  Parents can provide the support and example that their young people will need to follow through on standards expected at home.

Sex education was offered at my high school, by parental consent.  I chose not to participate.  I was already being taught at home and at my place of worship; not only about the logistics of sex, but personal responsibility to myself and the person with whom I chose to be intimate with.  Sex is an adult activity.  Its consequences are long ranging and will affect how a person deals with the opposite sex and views him/her self for the rest of their lives.  I would not trust this subject to the school, any more than I would expect them to teach my child how to live by moral principles in a world that changes its values with the season.

The mother of the fourteen year old, who felt she was smart and responsible enough to engage in sex, is living in a dream.  When her daughter comes home pregnant, carrying an STD, or emotionally scarred by some immature partner, she will have to share in the blame for what is to come. 

Didn't she watch the issues with the first Dr. Phil family ?  All the angst with the older daughter getting pregnant and deciding to keep the baby, and deciding to limit the father's involvement with the baby, and wanting to get back to sexual activity again, should have given her a clue that is is not a learn-as-you-go activity.
 
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March 3, 2008, 1:02 pm PST

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You make some good points...however, I think you are a bit misinformed regarding teachers "peddling homosexuality". I don't know where you got that idea, but I truly think that's media hype....First of all, if you have any genuine knowledge of this particular subject, you would know that people are BORN homosexuals, not "made". It isn't "peddled".  I'm sure there are some people who wish to experiment with it...I think the term nowdays is "bi-curious"....but, the true homosexual has not chosen to be this way....who the heck would CHOOSE this hard road? It must be heartbreaking to always have people judge and humiliate you...especially when you are so young; too young to know how to deal with it.

 

But, that's off the subject. I just wanted to bring that out.

Do you seriously believe these things or are you just trying to get a rise out of people? Because you defenitly offended many people with that original post. Who are YOU to preach god in public school? There are many people who don't believe in god and oh my god! think that pre-marital sex is OK!!! You have the right to your views but you DON'T have the right to force those views on american children. It is people like you that preach about the decline of morals in our country that are slowing eliminating people's personal rights - including the right to marry whoever you choose even if that means someone of the same sex. YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO TELL OTHER PEOPLE HOW TO LIVE THEIR LIVES, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO LOVE AND SEX.
 
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March 3, 2008, 1:02 pm PST

i see what your saying

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I am a mother of three.  Thank God my son turned 18 and this younger teen part of my life is over!  I ceratainly do not want to see the spread of S.T.D.'s nor do I wish an unplanned prgnancy on anyone...so, I believe that the sex education, trumps the preaching of anstinance in so far it is the lesser of two evils.

You say that having sex at 12 was the worst mistake of your life.  It WAS a mistake, take it from someone who is older and has had more experience, it wasn't the worst...it was sad.  You were lucky NOT to have gotten pregnant, or contacted a disease...God forbid, one that would last a lifetime.  So yes, I hear you...but please hear me.  When you were 12, were I to have handed you condoms for safe sex...I would have felt as if I were a pedophile...promoting the sexual activity of a 12 year old!  This differs from teaching it...I'm all FOR the education, just having a problem with enablement.

As adults, we too have our beliefs and our feelings.  I wish that you teens could be a bit more sensitive to those...and do NOT tell me that teens can't...if you can have sex, you can have a bit of maturity in all areas of life...so please don't hand me the psycho-babble that teens CAN'T feel for us...they may choose not to...but that is very different. 

In order to keep you safe from the sexual reprecussions, I will go with the realities and drink the poison to better protect your physical health...I'm not happy about what sex at 12 does to you emotionally, but adding to that a pregnancy...a disease...well as I've said...the lesser of two evils.

Think about it.  A 12 year old....we facilitate sexual activity...for this child...I feel dirty.  Almost as low as a pedophile, yet it is being done under the auspices of "protection"...and maybe it is...12 year olds can navigate by themselves and sex isn't only performed after dark.  I dunno, I feel as if it is a form of emotional blackmail...do I follow my conscience, or give a child a death sentence or an unwanted pregnancy?  Gun to our heads....so, understand WHY we waiver.

i see what your saying but i dont necessarially  agree that  giving a teen/ pre teen condoms is enabling them. i already knew about them then i just didnt have the nerve to get them. The main thing i believe is not about buying condoms its about being a parent taht your child can come to and talk to about these things. Not necesarially a parent that supports it but a parent that is understanding and does not make their child feel more ashamed than they already are. I understand why parents waiver but i was responding to a person who was just saying that people who gave teens condoms were "godless outsiders" and i strongly dont believe that.
 
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March 3, 2008, 1:06 pm PST

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I just watched the debate show about teens and sex. I agree with all sides of everyone to a point. I had sex for the first time when I was 14 and then ended up pregnant when I was 16 (that I had given up for adoption). My parent's never talked to me about sex and I didn't feel comfy enough to talk to them about it. Now I am a single mom of 2 girls ages 9 and 7. My 9 yr old just asked me 2 weeks ago how a baby gets there? They know where a baby comes from and how a baby is born, but not how a baby gets there. I had to explain it to her as best as I could based on the age she is. I really don't want my girls to have sex before marriage, but if they are going to I would rather them know about birth control and I would put them on it. We can't lock our kids in a room until their married, but what we can do is make them know about sex. I know that for parent's it's a touchy subject, but we have to put our pride aside for our kids to be able to talk to us about it. I will tell my kids that it's best to wait, but I also can't stop them if they decided to have sex. Being a parent isn't easy, but neither is being a teen. If I could do it over and still have the kids that I have I would have waited, but I can't change the past so I will talk and be open with my kids even how uncomfy it may be. Ok that's my venting.
 
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March 3, 2008, 1:06 pm PST

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Quote From: cookie74

 Although I think sex ed is important (with parental permission), I don't believe that condoms should be given out in schools.  I believe schools are there to educate, not to hand out condoms to my child.  Our children have enough pressure from the media with all the pornographic images they see, they don't need schools promoting sex. This is where parents need to step up to the plate and open up communication between themselves and their children.  Although we, as parents, may tell our chiuldren that abstinence is a better choice, I believe children will go uot there and sometimes cave in to peer pressure.  I think this is where parents need to discuss safe sex. Where are these parents whose children are 13 and pregnant? We have a responsibility to know where our children are and what they are doing.  As they get older and earn a little more freedom, it does get harder, but we still need to keep tabs on our kids and know where they are and what they're doing. Keep sex out of schools and let's teach our kids to be morally upstanding people.
I think condoms should be handed to all the time...I think there should be free condoms on every street corner, in every school, EVERYWHERE! LOL....they should be used. I think there should be commercials, like PSA's on how to properly use them...all the time, even in the *GASP* daytime!

PEOPLE HAVE SEX...this silly idea that people do not have sex needs to stop...people naturally have sex, they naturally want to have sex and they WILL have sex...teens WILL have sex. They might as well have very very very easy access to condoms.

And why should schools have YOUR version of "morally upstanding"? MY version of being a morally upstanding person is knowing what your body is capable of and how to protect it.
 
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